F26 - Newbie Q&A

Welcome to the Brotherhood, @F26, I am @DLD. I encourage you to get involved and start making gains by reading through these two important threads, The Newbie Routine and the SRT - Suppressed-Restricted-Transposition Theory Routine. The goal is to create a routine, If you need help in writing a routine let me know.

Once you decide upon a routine, start a Routine and Process Log stating all your beginning measurements, your goals, your routine and any other information. This is what we encourage new members to do.

How big are you now and how big do you wanna get? We’re here to help make it happen. If you need help with anything, just ask.

Hey DLD and all other MOS members,

appreciate your welcome and happy to be in the Brotherhood now
I'll do a short intro here and later switch over to an own Newbie Thread/Log with my stats and update every now and then there how everything is going.

Short info about me and what I want to change in stage 1:

1) I just searched for the correct technical term right now that you all understand what I mean, so sadly I have a 'turkey neck'.
It's kind of annoying. And as I've started to learn the exercises today, I just found out it's complicating stretching and jelqing - the two main exercises for newbies...
Why it is a problem in my opinion? Because when I'm stretching, it's not only stretching my dick, but also the skin of the turkey neck and I really don't want even more skin there.
When I'm jelqing, it's also pulling the skin with every jelq. So as I've tried it today multiple times, the best way is that I use two hands which isn't so much comfortable. One hand to hold back the skin and the other one to perform the stretching/jelqing exercises but I still have a bad feeling that it will cause more skin/bigger turkey neck.

2) Flaccid penis not hanging 'correctly' - maybe also because of the turkey neck(?)
So instead of hanging down normally (170° or 180° angle), it's hanging down between 110° to 130° degrees. It's really not cool in public showers after swimming/sauna and so on.

3) Flaccid length could be better, I have a blood penis. So as I'm searching for ways to get rid of the turkey neck, at least I hope there's a way, I'm trying to gain some more length in flaccid state.
My thoughts are: The bigger the dick in flaccid state, the lower it should hang, thanks to gravitation.

4) Right now I'm doing some weightloss anyways, trying to go down to 8-12% body fat, so my natural testosterone production is at it's peak.
Less fat = less fatpad = bigger flaccid length = maybe hangs lower, because more dick 'weight' pulls it to the ground.

5) While trying to solve the problems above, I really wouldn't have a problem getting a bigger dick in general, like who would at all? LOL

As I'm serious about to change the things above I bought some PE gadgets:
- penimaster pro - use for passive flaccid length gain
- LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging - use for manual stretching and hanging later
- penispump (air) - maybe after jelqing or during sets
- bathmate hydromax x30 - for length gains
- bathmate hydromax x40 xtreme - for girth gains
- vitallus plus - using for passive flaccid girth/length gain

I'm especially excited how the 2 passive gadgets will work (Penimaster/Vitallus Plus). Will try to wear them at home as often as I can.
Would need some advices to make the best routine out of the gadgets I listed above, maybe even in combination with manual exercises.
But when I'm short in time I really want to make sure that I still do some gains with those 2 tools. For example everytime I'm sitting at the computer, I would wear one of them. Maybe I could even use the Penimaster outside the house and maybe maybe if I find a comfortable way - wear the Vitallus Plus during sleep.

I'm sure this will be a longterm investment of time and hard work, but for me it will def. be worth it, if it works out in the end.
Thanks for welcoming me in the MOS fam. and as I'm willing to spend lots of time here and learn from the experienced people, feel free to send me messages

It would be awesome if some experienced people can give me advice.
Cheers, F26

The fact that you are going to be able to use those cool ass toys, I already don't like you. Bahahaha.

Nah, I hope you find all the info you need here brother. Any questions, feel free to ask away. Plenty of extremely knowledgeable brothers here.

Man.... you are gonna have fun bro. JELLY!!!

Wishing you great gains! Put those tools into use.

I've personally tried the Vitallus Plus; I wouldn't spend too much time with that. At least don't spend money on those new cylinders, you're better of with the regular pump and Hydromax units.
Better utilize that PMP and Lengthmaster!
Set up a progress log and lay out a routine. Or you can ask for help, overall the SRT and Newbie routine sets are great way to go with, you can adjust things to your personal liking in some sense. But follow the SRT protocol anyway.

You could alternate with length and girth. Or you can go for length first and then target girth, several men have gone that route.

TuffDong said:

The fact that you are going to be able to use those cool ass toys, I already don't like you. Bahahaha.

Nah, I hope you find all the info you need here brother. Any questions, feel free to ask away. Plenty of extremely knowledgeable brothers here.

Man.... you are gonna have fun bro. JELLY!!!

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Thanks buddy! Gonna read through the night in the forum here and getting some knowledge

arkailija said:

Wishing you great gains! Put those tools into use.

I've personally tried the Vitallus Plus; I wouldn't spend too much time with that. At least don't spend money on those new cylinders, you're better of with the regular pump and Hydromax units.
Better utilize that PMP and Lengthmaster!
Set up a progress log and lay out a routine. Or you can ask for help, overall the SRT and Newbie routine sets are great way to go with, you can adjust things to your personal liking in some sense. But follow the SRT protocol anyway.

You could alternate with length and girth. Or you can go for length first and then target girth, several men have gone that route.

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SRT seems to be perfect for me with all the gadgets.
I have mostly only thought about the Vitallus Plus at night or maybe after a girth session as kind of passive gadget so thatI can do other things beside wearing it (computer/reading/watching netflix/learning/sleep). What do you think about that?


My idea for fast cementing/cell rebuilding with passive PE gadgets:
after stretching sessions until girth sessions --> PMP (as long as I can)
after girth sessions --> Vitallus Plus / maybe PMP, depending on your experiences and advice


So to summarize that I understood it right, please correct me if I'm wrong:

AM:
- manual length training
- lengthmaster
- hanging

after AM session: PMP to keep everything in a comfortable stretch

PM:
- manual girth training
- all pump gadgets

after PM session: could wear Vitallus Plus for 'cementing' the upcoming length/girth gains

Upcoming questions:
1) When to use the Bathmate? I'm showering in the morning to feel fresh and become awake. Can I use the bathmate after length training before wearing the PMP or is it a bad idea?
2) Should I wear the PMP after girth training or having on the Vitallus Plus for the next few hours until sleep?
3) What kind of gadget should I use during sleep?

Please correct me if I'm wrong

You just need a badass utility belt for all those gadgets.

Hey Fam.,
had been up almost all night and read across the forum - this ist pure gold! Love it.
Also the people in here are awesome, this will be a cool journey.

As I've written in the chat I had an idea, and that's also why I've ordered the tools. I want to have my dick as much as I can in passive pe gadgets.
I got to know that manual training is necessary and most people are doing great gains just with manual training.
So why did I make this decision?

You may know about that tradition in which females are lengthening their neck - and it works. But they are not doing some kind of short manual training and that's it - they wear some kind of 'manual fitted spirals' 24/7 and stack up their rings every now and then + manually adjust them while getting older. The procedure starts when they are around 5 years and mostly goes on lifetime.
Link: Kayan people (Myanmar) - Wikipedia

The neck consists of some bones, muscles, tissue, cartilages, tendons, veins and arteries and obviously skin (maybe not 100% the correct expressions, but hope you understand what I'm talking about). They are still able to stretch it over the years, so PE most likely works too, if you think logically about it.
Also it should normally be easier to gain some length and girth than stretching your neck.
Why? Because it's built of:
1) Corpora cavernosa
2) Corpus spongiosum
3) Glans
4) Tunica albuginea
To explain it easier: No bones, mostly consists of tissue.

So if we are thinking rational and logical now: It should 100% be possible.
Now we are thinking about all the experience and results from people who just did manual training or let's better say - mostly did only manual training. They have done it successfully!
If we want to maximize the results, why shouldn't we try to keep it in a stretched/pumped state for as long as we can during the day/night - depening if we are working on length/girth?

If you do some stretching, you'll see it will go back to normal length over time = called turtling. Don't we want to stop this? So that it stays in a kind of streteched state for as long as possible and builds new cells and tissue + heals the micro stretch wounds/cracks over time?
I mean nothing different happens when we grow our muscles. At first we hurt them, get exhausted and then they grow (with the correct nutrients and enough calories).
I'm not experienced, so I can't say if the dick needs more rest, but normally from rational logical thinking - it should be possible with a little stretch.
I'm not talking about a full stretch, maybe 10-30%, so that it's comfortable but still keeps the tissue in a stretched state without hurting while doing it over hours.

That had been my thoughts - then I actually read about @DLD 's SRT routine, in which he exactly tells about it, his experience and also did and experiment with some members. I haven't found the results about the members so far sadly (can somebody sent me a link to the results?) but I know that it worked because since that time from 2011, @DLD has a public SRT thread up and it's one of the 2 main exercise routines, especially for beginners.

Yesterday I've also asked in chat why it's often recommended to not do length exercises after girth exercises. It was an expression mistake, I more meant wearing an extender or other gadgets to keep it to a 10-30% stretch. I've just read about dick rings which keep the blood in it, but what's the difference to a strap/extender on 10-30% easy stretch then?
I know that a dick ring keeps the blood filled up in there, so it helps getting girth gains.
But if a person wants to focus on length, wouldn't it be better to use a stretch? Also, maybe it even helps for girth because after girth exercises= dick is bigger = more tissue to stretch, so maybe it builds more tissue then in length and girth, compared to normal stretching with 0% EQ?


Lots of questions, but in my opinion the most important
It would be more than great when @DLD @Lightning or @REDZULU2003 or somebody of the other very experienced members could give his opinion or answer about it.

Wish you all a phenomenal sunday evening!

Awesome work, brother. You are obtaining great knowledge, and all these little things will come together to give you the birds-eye view that is needed in PE.

The Top Boys will definitely be chiming in, to give you some insanely knowledgeable tips. Start up a progress thread, and they will come.

Blessings...

F26 said:

Upcoming questions:
1) When to use the Bathmate? I'm showering in the morning to feel fresh and become awake. Can I use the bathmate after length training before wearing the PMP or is it a bad idea?
2) Should I wear the PMP after girth training or having on the Vitallus Plus for the next few hours until sleep?
3) What kind of gadget should I use during sleep?

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The answers to some of the questions you have posted are going to be personal preference.
1. If you use the bathmate before using PMP, just know you are going to be thicker and will have to adjust your PMP accordingly. I personally prefer to keep Length Workouts separate from Girth Workouts - meaning I like to put them on separate days. If you decide to do both in 1 day, I would split it up by doing length in the morning, girth in the evening.
2. I'm not familiar with Vitallus Plus but it does seem to advertise that you can wear it at night. I would play around with it......see what you like.
3. Try different gadgets out and see what you like. Some guys like to wear gadgets at night.....some don't. I personally prefer wearing a simple Silisleeve because it stays on easily and doesn't interfere with my sleep.

I don't use bathmate for length workouts. Just thought I would throw that in there. I feel that while you can gain length from Bathmate.......there are other exercises and gadgets that I think could help you gain length faster......if that's what you are after.

barracuda94 said:

The answers to some of the questions you have posted are going to be personal preference.
1. If you use the bathmate before using PMP, just know you are going to be thicker and will have to adjust your PMP accordingly. I personally prefer to keep Length Workouts separate from Girth Workouts - meaning I like to put them on separate days. If you decide to do both in 1 day, I would split it up by doing length in the morning, girth in the evening.
2. I'm not familiar with Vitallus Plus but it does seem to advertise that you can wear it at night. I would play around with it......see what you like.
3. Try different gadgets out and see what you like. Some guys like to wear gadgets at night.....some don't. I personally prefer wearing a simple Silisleeve because it stays on easily and doesn't interfere with my sleep.

I don't use bathmate for length workouts. Just thought I would throw that in there. I feel that while you can gain length from Bathmate.......there are other exercises and gadgets that I think could help you gain length faster......if that's what you are after.

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Hey Barracuda and thanks for your reply,

1) Is there any reason why you are doing this? Does it harm the length gains or is it really just a own preference? Because my thoughts are, if we are stretching the thicker dick, isn't it possible then that it builds more cells compared to stretching normally? I mean just keeping it in a very light stretch with an extender, so that it's still comfortable because I understand you all :D it does feel a little weird on the glans especially after some jelqing when I've tried to stretch it like normally yesterday.
2) Will do. But mostly I think I'll go with the PMP because I don't know how loud the pump is and wearing a pump during night seems much more difficult to me compared to the PMP.
3) Will do! But first step is trying to wear them multiple hours in the day that it doesn't bother me so much. Because I imagine when I'm using gadgets, it may effect my sleep and maybe I can't fall asleep or so. Will be lots of trying as soon as it comes.

Hello again,

so today I just ordered some oils for dick skin care which I found yesterday in @TuffDong 's Log thank you again!
1) Vitamin E
2) Sheabutter - no oil, fat normal Skincare Butter, to protect after hard sessions
3) Combo-Pack of Oils - each 100ml - almond oil, apricot kernel oil, arnica oil, avocado oil, calendula oil, castor oil, coconut oil, grape seed oil, hemp seed oil, macadamia oil.
I've made sure it's good quality and no bad chemical ingredients in it. Instead of the combo package I could buy just 1 or 2 oils, but as there was a package of those 10 oils, I wanted to try. Maybe some have better effects than the others or are feeling better as I've never used them before and can't say.

On top of that I've ordered a sportsgel which says it's warming up the tissue and a PE gel which says to also warm up, provides a better blood flow and does some skincare.
So I will have lots of stuff for testing around I would say.

My last question about the oils:
Which one(s) are you using for jelqing? Used some normal skincare cream now but I have to put every 1-2min more cream on my dick because it's drying out so fast. So I would think an oil would work much much better than normal cream.

Surprised there isn't Argan oil in that mix.

I dry jelq, so I haven't any input regarding which would be best. For myself, the combination of Cocoa Shea and Palmers Vitamin E with Argan creates an unbelievable slick that lasts a good while.

Me too @TuffDong ! Argan Oil is good stuff, I haven't "promoted" it as of late. Actually ran out of the stuff, I will see if I can order it soon enough.

Regarding @F26 's routine, I think it looks good! I am not so experienced to say anything about routines, as my own sets have been very lazily put together. I've got gains during the years but I couldn have pushed the envelope a whole lot more.

I agree with @barracuda94 about keeping length and girth exercises spaced out. It's possible to try utilizing the PMP after a girth session but it's often tricky that way around. One thing would be to go for length gains first, as in not doing much girth exercises until you reach your length goal.
Several have experienced that this is an "easier" route to do that trying to grow both length and girth in equal amounts at the same timespan.
Length workouts will target girth in the end in some amount though and vice versa.
Staying consistent and following a routine is the main thing for now!

Night time I have personally devoted to "just" great sleep. If you are able to use some tools without interference while sleeping, great!
But do give a plenty amount of time for rest. In order to get gains, one must let his penis sleep at times.
You can always add more force and time into play but to substract either is unnatural signal for the body.

Regarding the oils: Castor and Coconut oil are what will likely stay the slickest for longest. Castor has way more drag though.
Just try them out. Be sure to clean yourself off if you have possible comedogenic issues (oily skin by nature etc..) as both Castor and Coconut oil, while great oils, can clog your pores. Apricot kernel oil and hemp seed oil should be pretty safe when it comes to comedogenic index.

I concur with what ark said. Castor is a very thick oil, and using alone is a sticky situation. Cut with a thinner oil, and you have magic.

Hello my brother I’m wondering if you want me to rename this thread as your progress thread and move it into the progress and routines section?

arkailija said:

Me too @TuffDong ! Argan Oil is good stuff, I haven't "promoted" it as of late. Actually ran out of the stuff, I will see if I can order it soon enough.

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TuffDong said:

I concur with what ark said. Castor is a very thick oil, and using alone is a sticky situation. Cut with a thinner oil, and you have magic.

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Alright, ordered it too LOL Also ordered Hydrocortisone cream and Bacitracin cream (or at least something similar).
So I think I'm really prepared now with everything, so I can focus on some gains.

arkailija said:

Regarding @F26 's routine, I think it looks good! I am not so experienced to say anything about routines, as my own sets have been very lazily put together. I've got gains during the years but I couldn have pushed the envelope a whole lot more.

I agree with @barracuda94 about keeping length and girth exercises spaced out. It's possible to try utilizing the PMP after a girth session but it's often tricky that way around. One thing would be to go for length gains first, as in not doing much girth exercises until you reach your length goal.
Several have experienced that this is an "easier" route to do that trying to grow both length and girth in equal amounts at the same timespan.
Length workouts will target girth in the end in some amount though and vice versa.
Staying consistent and following a routine is the main thing for now!

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Exactly that's what I'm researching right now in lots of threads, logs and posts - length before girth or 50/50? Or maybe 80/20 or something like that?
Some say do length first if you really are planning to train for a long time and later follow up with girth. Others and even @DLD says that we should go 50/50 length/girth during the workouts.
People also write that from length training it's possible to gain some girth too and people write that from girth training you're also gaining some length. I'm still doing some research about tunica and all tonight, so probably tomorrow I'll have some new knowledge about it. Just understood so far that I should try to gain some BPFSL first and then later 'fill it up' with girth training.

DLD said:

Hello my brother I’m wondering if you want me to rename this thread as your progress thread and move it into the progress and routines section?

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Hey @DLD I'm still searching for some answers which I posted above - if my routine would be okay like that with the pe tools, if I should focus more on length first or do 50/50 and also will have some questions here and there over the next few days as I'm currently reading a few hours a day in this forum.
So mostly this thread here will be a kind of question & answer thread for me/us with lots of discussing about all sort of PE, tricks & tips.
Will start a seperate trainingslog soon!

One hand washes the other in PE. Length gives girth, girth gives length. While manual stretching may not give you girth throughout, it does help with the base.

This is my personal observation, through my own personal journey.

Like I have said, you have your mind in the perfect place for this journey. I applaud you for your very wise start on this path. Take it slow and meticulously.

Blessings, my brother....

I'm so much motivated because of you crazy people! Reading at least 12hrs a day right now in the forum and taking down notes and bookmarking many threads, it's like a secret library filled up with hidden knowledge :D
Because of that I already got a few ideas which I'll test over the next few days and then share with you Two of them could already be a little gamechanger for many if it will turn out well.

Still waiting for some tools to be delivered tomorrow and the day after tomorrow Learning lots of the exercises, theories and about the anatomy of the dick in the meantime.

Consistency and Determination - how are you all doing it?

So I'm trying to 'prepare' myself for this kind of journey. This also includes to sort out possible future mistakes and cases with could come into my way. Some of you are training since months, many since years and some rare people even since decades. If you give an average person the only task to just draw a line every single day for multiple months or even years, most of them would fail - just by doing a simple line and a time investment of a few seconds.
So my question is, what are your tricks & tips? How do you keep your willpower and determination on such a rare high level? What do you tell yourself in situations in which you maybe aren't motivated to work out? How do you get sh*t done?

My current plan is to at least spend 30min a day now for the next 30 days. I've read threads of some of you who are working out multiple hours a day, I honestly don't know if I can do something like that for multiple days, weeks or even months. I'm not talking about one single week, I'm talking about a consistent habit. So what I want to do or have planned to do, is to keep the bar low at the beginning, but make sure that it's 100% consistency, no matter what. Every day will mean every single day. If I wouldn't find the time over the day I could subtract 30min away from my sleeping time in the shortly before sleep in the worst case

If I find more time or have the motivation to do more, I can also train longer. But I would always want to make sure to get those 30min every single day. I'm talking about manual training here btw. Passive PE tools like wearing an Extender, Mummy/Wrap or a ring after girth sessions are not included here.

What do you think about my thoughts? How have you started building this habit and getting such a 0% excuse determination with this high level of willpower?

My life experiences have trained me to be as motivated, determined, dedicated, and consistent as I am. I have spent my whole life, reflecting my talents onto others. Never taking credit for my achievements, but instead giving that honor to others who really weren't deserving of it.

I thought this would bring me happiness, but instead it took what happiness I had away. I never once put myself first, and really never thought about, or asked myself, what I wanted.

Having children, becoming a parent, and then having to do it completely alone, took dedication. Waking up every morning and first thing tending to them, then to my work, then back to them. Day after day, this took consistency. Looking into their eyes, seeing myself, and doing everything in my power to make sure they have everything they will ever need, and that they would never go through the horrors, depravity, and neglect that I did. That took determination.

Motivation, well I have always had that, and it REALLY SHINES when I have a passion for something. Whether it was gardening, creating something so beautiful and potent that helped ease pain, stop seizures, saving lives. Or constructing something custom, elegant, and just admiring it once completed.

My life experiences have given me these tools. I am 36 years young, and finally realized that I deserve to have a taste of what I have learned. It's my turn, and I will appreciate all of it so much more than others did.

I may have gone way outside the barrier here, but that is my answer. My own personal explanation regarding my willpower and determination in PE, and everything else in my life that I care for.