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BigBubs

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Hey everyone:

Sorry this is such a long first post.

A brief intro to my PE experience. About a year ago, I bought the Bathmate Hydro 7. I messed with it for about a week, but it never felt right, so I stopped and it sat in the corner of my shower holder until about 2 months ago.

Some longwinded backstory - I've always been an athlete. Strict training regimens and schedules are my comfort zone. It may have been on this forum, but I saw a message that essentially said "Treat it like your normal gym workout", and something clicked. In January, I began strength training again very hard which put me in the mindset to be in a perfect routine from diet, sleep/recovery, and exercise. For a month, I used the Bathmate 5 days a week (M-F, my gym days, standard 5 minutes x 3), and at the end of the month, I had an erection like I don't think I've had since middle school. The girth gain was noticeable to say the least.

My wife made a noise I hadn't heard in a while that night as we began having sex, and needless to say, I was hooked.

I decided I wanted to pursue some real gains. My penis is a very average length, a bit above average girth. I've never had a complaint from a sexual partner, but as a 6ft 240+lb athlete, it *looks* small.

Come to 3 weeks ago, I purchased a very simple noose style traction device that, at first, was very uncomfortable. I got a thicker foam tube to put around the silicone noose, and some skin safe tape that peels off easily after applying water to provide a bit more grip around my glans. I am now able to wrap about 2.5 inches of tape around the top side base of my glans for some added grip, and the noose holds perfect. I actually over did it the first time I got the hold correct and was quite a bit sore after using it for about an hour. Of course, soreness has never been something to bother me.

It has now been 3 weeks of a practice routine and building up the skills surrounding the methods, and I need you guys, the PE masterminds, to let me know if this is sufficient for the next 6 months. An inch extra inch would be incredible. Thus far, after 2 months of regular M-F Bathmate usage, and 3 weeks of traction, I broke through a "plateau" so to speak and saw an extra .2" in the Bathmate yesterday, and my penis has begun to look more plump and hang a little better.

I have a very active job that requires me to be available to hop on calls/meetings all day 8-5, but I work from home, so more passive methods like traction devices, even if they require more time, are the ideal methods to keep me consistent. I also get to be home alone so sitting in my underwear with the device on is perfect.

Standard Monday - Friday Routine:
730am - Warm up with some simple stretches in each direction with space heater on that is under my desk
7:45am - Traction device on. Every few minutes, I give each screw a turn or two. Usually after about 30minutes, I'm at my "goal" mark for the week. At this time, I've increased how far up the rod I can go by about 3/4" without any discomfort. Once I'm at that progress mark, I start my 2 hour timer (usually around 8:15am)
10:15am - Traction device off, Uncle Jim's wrap for 20 minutes, 30 seconds massage, 3 times (1 hour total)
11:15am - Gym time
1:00pm - Gym is done and post workout meal ready at my desk. Back into the traction device. I can usually go right back up to that goal mark and I wear it for 90 more minutes.
2:30pm - Shower time. Bathmate 5 minutes in, 1 minute massage x 3.
3:00pm - Silicone cock ring for 30 minutes, massage and a few dry jelqs to get blood flowing, then again for 30 minutes.
4:00pm - 8:30pm - Uncle Jim's wrap re-wrapped every 20 minutes (this was so hard to do at first but now I can re-wrap in 30 seconds so I'm learning!)

Saturday-Sunday
I take it a bit easier - 60 minutes traction to help solidify that week's rod length goal, and then Uncle Jim's wraps as much as I can all day (usually can work in 6-8 hours around weekend responsibilities each day)
No Bathmate (7 days a week was too much).

I felt like I was at a plateau with the Bathmate, but Monday, after 3 weeks of seeing the same mark inside the Bathmate, an extra .25" was registering, so I'm hoping I'm actually doing something here.

Anyway, sorry again for the incredibly long winded post. It took a lot to actually create an account and admit I'm pursuing this goal, but damn it feels good and keeps me busy!

Thanks for any input, fellas!
 
Welcome to MOS @BigBubs,
You’re off to a great start and you’ve done some research.

im not an extender user but if that’s works for you give it everything!

like you, for me regime is everything, 8am on the dot and it’s gonna take something major to get in the way of that.
 
BigBubs said:
Hey everyone:

Sorry this is such a long first post.

A brief intro to my PE experience. About a year ago, I bought the Bathmate Hydro 7. I messed with it for about a week, but it never felt right, so I stopped and it sat in the corner of my shower holder until about 2 months ago.

Some longwinded backstory - I've always been an athlete. Strict training regimens and schedules are my comfort zone. It may have been on this forum, but I saw a message that essentially said "Treat it like your normal gym workout", and something clicked. In January, I began strength training again very hard which put me in the mindset to be in a perfect routine from diet, sleep/recovery, and exercise. For a month, I used the Bathmate 5 days a week (M-F, my gym days, standard 5 minutes x 3), and at the end of the month, I had an erection like I don't think I've had since middle school. The girth gain was noticeable to say the least.

My wife made a noise I hadn't heard in a while that night as we began having sex, and needless to say, I was hooked.

I decided I wanted to pursue some real gains. My penis is a very average length, a bit above average girth. I've never had a complaint from a sexual partner, but as a 6ft 240+lb athlete, it *looks* small.

Come to 3 weeks ago, I purchased a very simple noose style traction device that, at first, was very uncomfortable. I got a thicker foam tube to put around the silicone noose, and some skin safe tape that peels off easily after applying water to provide a bit more grip around my glans. I am now able to wrap about 2.5 inches of tape around the top side base of my glans for some added grip, and the noose holds perfect. I actually over did it the first time I got the hold correct and was quite a bit sore after using it for about an hour. Of course, soreness has never been something to bother me.

It has now been 3 weeks of a practice routine and building up the skills surrounding the methods, and I need you guys, the PE masterminds, to let me know if this is sufficient for the next 6 months. An inch extra inch would be incredible. Thus far, after 2 months of regular M-F Bathmate usage, and 3 weeks of traction, I broke through a "plateau" so to speak and saw an extra .2" in the Bathmate yesterday, and my penis has begun to look more plump and hang a little better.

I have a very active job that requires me to be available to hop on calls/meetings all day 8-5, but I work from home, so more passive methods like traction devices, even if they require more time, are the ideal methods to keep me consistent. I also get to be home alone so sitting in my underwear with the device on is perfect.

Standard Monday - Friday Routine:
730am - Warm up with some simple stretches in each direction with space heater on that is under my desk
7:45am - Traction device on. Every few minutes, I give each screw a turn or two. Usually after about 30minutes, I'm at my "goal" mark for the week. At this time, I've increased how far up the rod I can go by about 3/4" without any discomfort. Once I'm at that progress mark, I start my 2 hour timer (usually around 8:15am)
10:15am - Traction device off, Uncle Jim's wrap for 20 minutes, 30 seconds massage, 3 times (1 hour total)
11:15am - Gym time
1:00pm - Gym is done and post workout meal ready at my desk. Back into the traction device. I can usually go right back up to that goal mark and I wear it for 90 more minutes.
2:30pm - Shower time. Bathmate 5 minutes in, 1 minute massage x 3.
3:00pm - Silicone cock ring for 30 minutes, massage and a few dry jelqs to get blood flowing, then again for 30 minutes.
4:00pm - 8:30pm - Uncle Jim's wrap re-wrapped every 20 minutes (this was so hard to do at first but now I can re-wrap in 30 seconds so I'm learning!)

Saturday-Sunday
I take it a bit easier - 60 minutes traction to help solidify that week's rod length goal, and then Uncle Jim's wraps as much as I can all day (usually can work in 6-8 hours around weekend responsibilities each day)
No Bathmate (7 days a week was too much).

I felt like I was at a plateau with the Bathmate, but Monday, after 3 weeks of seeing the same mark inside the Bathmate, an extra .25" was registering, so I'm hoping I'm actually doing something here.

Anyway, sorry again for the incredibly long winded post. It took a lot to actually create an account and admit I'm pursuing this goal, but damn it feels good and keeps me busy!

Thanks for any input, fellas!
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I like the 15-minute warm up at 7:30. I do not know what a space heater is, but for warming up, it is best to use a heating pad of some sort directly on your shaft to really penetrate the target tissues.

There is no such thing as a "goal mark for the week" in PE. If you are expecting to make length gains every week, you are in for a rude awakening. Guys can go a month or more without realizing gains, who put in a lot more traction time than you do.

I do not like what you are doing from 3:00pm onwards. It is a complete waste of time, in my opinion, since I do not believe in passive PE (I am going to get a lot of heat for saying that here, you watch).

Your routine is lacking a key ingredient called manual stretches. If I were you, I would use the time I have after 3:00pm to do manuals (I hear the lengthmaster is great for that). It is important to hit it from different angles to break down the target tissues that an extender alone cannot reach. You REALLY need the intensity of manual stretching, in conjunction with extending to maximize your chances of success. You are just going to have to take my word on that.

If you do an intense half hour manual routine at 3:00pm, you can proceed with doing 5-10 minute sets of manuals every few hours after that to keep your tissues from fully healing (pulling out the adhesions), rather than having something strapped on your dick for an additional 5 hours that provides much less tension than your extender does.

Trust me, it is really going to fuck with your head if you dedicate all of this time doing passive PE (instead of intense manual stretches), and have nothing to show for it. You need to be as productive as possible, so please consider formulating a stellar manual routine to add to your extending routine. If you insist on doing passive PE after that, then fine. I have never done that and have gained a lot, so I know for a fact that it is unnecessary. For me, it was more than enough to stretch for 5-10 minutes every few hours (after doing my main routine) to slow down the healing process.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
Welcome to the brotherhood @BigBubs.
Are you doing bundled stretches?
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I pretty much posted this right after making my account. I had lurked around and read a lot, but without being a member, it was difficult to get anything to load. After I posted, I started searching through the forums and constantly see the mention of bundled stretches, but I keep running into links that I can't get to load correctly for a demo on how to properly do them. I could easily work in a set of bundled stretches instead of wrapping before I go to the gym, I just want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Any assistance would be much appreciated!
 
Grandmaster said:
I like the 15-minute warm up at 7:30. I do not know what a space heater is, but for warming up, it is best to use a heating pad of some sort directly on your shaft to really penetrate the target tissues.

There is no such thing as a "goal mark for the week" in PE. If you are expecting to make length gains every week, you are in for a rude awakening. Guys can go a month or more without realizing gains, who put in a lot more traction time than you do.

I do not like what you are doing from 3:00pm onwards. It is a complete waste of time, in my opinion, since I do not believe in passive PE (I am going to get a lot of heat for saying that here, you watch).

Your routine is lacking a key ingredient called manual stretches. If I were you, I would use the time I have after 3:00pm to do manuals (I hear the lengthmaster is great for that). It is important to hit it from different angles to break down the target tissues that an extender alone cannot reach. You REALLY need the intensity of manual stretching, in conjunction with extending to maximize your chances of success. You are just going to have to take my word on that.

If you do an intense half hour manual routine at 3:00pm, you can proceed with doing 5-10 minute sets of manuals every few hours after that to keep your tissues from fully healing (pulling out the adhesions), rather than having something strapped on your dick for an additional 5 hours that provides much less tension than your extender does.

Trust me, it is really going to fuck with your head if you dedicate all of this time doing passive PE (instead of intense manual stretches), and have nothing to show for it. You need to be as productive as possible, so please consider formulating a stellar manual routine to add to your extending routine. If you insist on doing passive PE after that, then fine. I have never done that and have gained a lot, so I know for a fact that it is unnecessary. For me, it was more than enough to stretch for 5-10 minutes every few hours (after doing my main routine) to slow down the healing process.
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To clarify the "goal" comment, essentially I take it up to what I can tolerate comfortably on Monday, and I make sure I hit that mark every day for every session before I start my timer. It's more to maintain consistency than an actual length goal of "it must stretch noticeably longer ever week". Sorry for the confusion! I agree, this is a marathon and not a sprint!

I'm going to try working in some manuals during my time before the gym instead of wrapping. Thanks for the advice!
 
BigBubs said:
I pretty much posted this right after making my account. I had lurked around and read a lot, but without being a member, it was difficult to get anything to load. After I posted, I started searching through the forums and constantly see the mention of bundled stretches, but I keep running into links that I can't get to load correctly for a demo on how to properly do them. I could easily work in a set of bundled stretches instead of wrapping before I go to the gym, I just want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Any assistance would be much appreciated!
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You're amazing! Thank you!

So the "bundled" part of the stretches is the twisting motion? Looking through the videos, I want to get a full twist around and then do stretches in multiple directions? Now that I've seen the lengthmaster in action, it makes way more sense. I'm going to have to pick one up soon! In the mean time, manual bundled stretching will be added to the routine. Thanks again for the quick responses. You guys are awesome.
 
BigBubs said:
You're amazing! Thank you!

So the "bundled" part of the stretches is the twisting motion? Looking through the videos, I want to get a full twist around and then do stretches in multiple directions? Now that I've seen the lengthmaster in action, it makes way more sense. I'm going to have to pick one up soon! In the mean time, manual bundled stretching will be added to the routine. Thanks again for the quick responses. You guys are awesome.
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Yes you rotate your penis and then stretch?
You bundle up tissue and stretch more penis at once. You will gain faster, but also you will cement your length more easily

Get the LengthMaster 3.
And in the meantime you can use a broomstick, to do bundled stretches around that.

Like this but do bundled stretches around the broomstick. Look for the description in the comment if you press on the name under this video.
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This stretch is also powerful.
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squirt_inducer_man said:
Yes you rotate your penis and then stretch?
You bundle up tissue and stretch more penis at once. You will gain faster, but also you will cement your length more easily

Get the LengthMaster 3.
And in the meantime you can use a broomstick, to do bundled stretches around that.

Like this but do bundled stretches around the broomstick. Look for the description in the comment if you press on the name under this video.
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This stretch is also powerful.
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This is so simple I have no excuse not to add it. I've got a wooden handle I can use immediately.

Right after morning warm up, going to add what is demo'd in that second video. Going for bundled left 1 min around stick, bundled right 1 min around stick, 1 minute down around stick, then 1 minute up and 1 minute straight out before going into the traction device.

After first session of traction, another set of these manual stretches.

Gym time.

Traction.

Another set.

Wrap.

Thanks to everyone for the quick responses and suggestions! Going to report back regularly with any progress made!
 
BigBubs said:
To clarify the "goal" comment, essentially I take it up to what I can tolerate comfortably on Monday, and I make sure I hit that mark every day for every session before I start my timer. It's more to maintain consistency than an actual length goal of "it must stretch noticeably longer ever week". Sorry for the confusion! I agree, this is a marathon and not a sprint!

I'm going to try working in some manuals during my time before the gym instead of wrapping. Thanks for the advice!
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I am glad I convinced you to do more manuals. Extending combined with manuals will bring faster gains than just extending alone, so take them both just as seriously.

Your unit should be exhausted after a good work out; when you stretch it several hours later to "loosen it up" again, it should be uncomfortable at first (bordering on painful), and then much more tolerable after several reps. That is how you know you had a good workout.

Again, combine them for faster gains. They compliment each other beautifully.
 
First day of adding manuals!

I did a full twist and tugged left, twist and tug right, then pulled up hard towards my belly button, then down towards my taint, then straight out. All 1 minute each.

I didn't feel the same sensation as the traction device, which I half expect, but I want to ensure I'm doing this right.

It's hard to explain but I guess I'd say it felt like a much deeper stretch? Especially around the base of my penis, but not so much all the way up the shaft. I'm assuming feeling that at the base is a good sign? I'd also assume it didn't feel as intense along the whole shaft because I've already conditioned that area a bit more from the traction device, but it definitely doesn't hit the bottom quarter of my penis the way these bundled stretches do.

Keep in mind, I am a true newbie! It's my first time after my warm up, but I am coming up on the end of my first 2.5 hour traction session and will massage it a bit and then do another set. Any other tell-tale signs I'm doing it right? Is that much increased tension I'm feeling around the base of my penis a good sign?
 
BigBubs said:
First day of adding manuals!

I did a full twist and tugged left, twist and tug right, then pulled up hard towards my belly button, then down towards my taint, then straight out. All 1 minute each.

I didn't feel the same sensation as the traction device, which I half expect, but I want to ensure I'm doing this right.

It's hard to explain but I guess I'd say it felt like a much deeper stretch? Especially around the base of my penis, but not so much all the way up the shaft. I'm assuming feeling that at the base is a good sign? I'd also assume it didn't feel as intense along the whole shaft because I've already conditioned that area a bit more from the traction device, but it definitely doesn't hit the bottom quarter of my penis the way these bundled stretches do.

Keep in mind, I am a true newbie! It's my first time after my warm up, but I am coming up on the end of my first 2.5 hour traction session and will massage it a bit and then do another set. Any other tell-tale signs I'm doing it right? Is that much increased tension I'm feeling around the base of my penis a good sign?
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After warming up your shaft with a heating pad for a good 5 minutes in the morning, do some basic stretching for about 5 minutes. Then, do your normal extending routine for the day.

When you are done with that, NOW you attack the tissues with manuals. Your tissues will be slightly weaker, and so the fatigue will set in quicker from the manuals. It will be felt along the entire shaft, including the base, though it might take several reps before you feel it (might even take a few days until you first feel it, depending on the extent of the micro damage created).

You will find that when stretching SO, your Tunica will fatigue fairly quickly. However, when you stretch OTL, or Over The Leg, you will find that the lateral part of your shaft will be much tighter. The same will be felt on the underside of your shaft, as well as your suspensory ligaments at the base.

The whole point of doing manuals is to stretch other areas of the shaft that the extender alone cannot reach. It also further weakens the area targeted by the extender, and as a result, this produces faster overall growth. Trust me.

Remember: as a newbie, you need to start out slow and get to know your body. Listen to it when you are stretching, meaning that if at any point the stretch becomes too sharp, you have to manage that by either cutting back on the force, or even cutting your session short. Always go by feel. Do not push it too far. Your body will tell you when to back off, so listen to it. Focus on what you are feeling at all times.

If it is of any help, I used to do SO, SU, OTL, A-Stretch, DLD Blasters, and Rotary Cranks. As far as how many reps of each, that would depend entirely on FEEL. That is for you to determine, whatever feels right on any given day. I would hold each stretch for at least 20 seconds.

If you want to wrap your shaft with ACE wrap or whatever else to remain "extended", you certainly can. But in my opinion, it is not necessary. Some piss pulls throughout the day is usually more than enough to pull out the adhesions.
 
Grandmaster said:
After warming up your shaft with a heating pad for a good 5 minutes in the morning, do some basic stretching for about 5 minutes. Then, do your normal extending routine for the day.

When you are done with that, NOW you attack the tissues with manuals. Your tissues will be slightly weaker, and so the fatigue will set in quicker from the manuals. It will be felt along the entire shaft, including the base, though it might take several reps before you feel it (might even take a few days until you first feel it, depending on the extent of the micro damage created).

You will find that when stretching SO, your Tunica will fatigue fairly quickly. However, when you stretch OTL, or Over The Leg, you will find that the lateral part of your shaft will be much tighter. The same will be felt on the underside of your shaft, as well as your suspensory ligaments at the base.

The whole point of doing manuals is to stretch other areas of the shaft that the extender alone cannot reach. It also further weakens the area targeted by the extender, and as a result, this produces faster overall growth. Trust me.

Remember: as a newbie, you need to start out slow and get to know your body. Listen to it when you are stretching, meaning that if at any point the stretch becomes too sharp, you have to manage that by either cutting back on the force, or even cutting your session short. Always go by feel. Do not push it too far. Your body will tell you when to back off, so listen to it. Focus on what you are feeling at all times.

If it is of any help, I used to do SO, SU, OTL, A-Stretch, DLD Blasters, and Rotary Cranks. As far as how many reps of each, that would depend entirely on FEEL. That is for you to determine, whatever feels right on any given day. I would hold each stretch for at least 20 seconds.

If you want to wrap your shaft with ACE wrap or whatever else to remain "extended", you certainly can. But in my opinion, it is not necessary. Some piss pulls throughout the day is usually more than enough to pull out the adhesions.
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So I did a set of manuals before extension, 2.5 hours extension, set of manuals, gym, now about to do another set of manuals.

I like the pace of this for learning. Feels less intimidating knowing I can kind of spread it out over the day. I'll adjust the timing of them after a week or two once I'm really comfortable with the manual stuff. Is the goal to also work up the amount of sets I do at a time?

For instance, while I'm learning these stretches, I'm just doing 1 set in all directions and then the rotary crank to top it off.

Will I eventually work up to 2 sets, then 3, etc. etc. in succession back to back?

I don't want to overdo it at the start, obviously, as I already learned that lesson going to hard with the extender. But I do love the way these bundled stretches feel so I want to work them in as much as I can *safely*.

Thanks again for your help!
 
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Okay, this is not what I expected.

I went really easy on the bundled stretches. I did 3 sets of bundled left/right towards my hips, other 3 directions, up/down/center, were just a good ol' tug and hold for a minute. So 5 minutes in total, 1 set pre traction, 1 set after, 1 set after return from gym then back to traction.

There is absolutely an entirely new type of soreness I felt as I was pumping, and I hit a new peak. Albeit, only about .1", but it shows me that my normal base routine with that slight adjustment has made an enormous difference. I even found myself throwing in a couple SSJ's in all the excitement while pumping 😄

Also added 5 second Kegel's (hold for 5 seconds on, 5 seconds off) for the last 2 minutes of each of the 3 rounds of pumping.

I see why people are so active on this forum, now. This gets addictive!
 
BigBubs said:
Okay, this is not what I expected.

I went really easy on the bundled stretches. I did 3 sets of bundled left/right towards my hips, other 3 directions, up/down/center, were just a good ol' tug and hold for a minute. So 5 minutes in total, 1 set pre traction, 1 set after, 1 set after return from gym then back to traction.

There is absolutely an entirely new type of soreness I felt as I was pumping, and I hit a new peak. Albeit, only about .1", but it shows me that my normal base routine with that slight adjustment has made an enormous difference. I even found myself throwing in a couple SSJ's in all the excitement while pumping 😄

Also added 5 second Kegel's (hold for 5 seconds on, 5 seconds off) for the last 2 minutes of each of the 3 rounds of pumping.

I see why people are so active on this forum, now. This gets addictive!
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Wonderful..Yeah it's addictive I have soon 10 000 messages logged. And have only been here a litter over 1 year. Insane. I live here now.
 
BigBubs said:
So I did a set of manuals before extension, 2.5 hours extension, set of manuals, gym, now about to do another set of manuals.

I like the pace of this for learning. Feels less intimidating knowing I can kind of spread it out over the day. I'll adjust the timing of them after a week or two once I'm really comfortable with the manual stuff. Is the goal to also work up the amount of sets I do at a time?

For instance, while I'm learning these stretches, I'm just doing 1 set in all directions and then the rotary crank to top it off.

Will I eventually work up to 2 sets, then 3, etc. etc. in succession back to back?

I don't want to overdo it at the start, obviously, as I already learned that lesson going to hard with the extender. But I do love the way these bundled stretches feel so I want to work them in as much as I can *safely*.

Thanks again for your help!
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With manuals, you don't necessarily have to work up to a certain number of reps or sets. Again, you go by feel. If you are comfortable at any given moment to increase the tension slightly, or to stretch a little bit longer, or if you feel like you could profit from doing an extra set at a particular angle, then do it.

You will feel the increasing intensity of the stretch with more reps. Some would describe it feeling good. But at some point, your body will warn you if you are about to go too far. The stretch will start feeling sharp, like it could possibly tear. At that point, you really have to pay attention. Do your reps, but with less force, until you feel like you have completely exhausted the tissues from all angles.

Regarding sets, you can increase them slowly if you want, but what is most important is fatigue in the target tissues. There were times where I was "supposed to do" three sets of each, but could only do 2 because my tissues were completely exhausted and my body was telling me to call it quits. You see? So I stopped.

So, I would do a quick warm up of manuals first thing in the morning, followed by extending, followed by your MAIN stretching routine for the day. For me, on average, my stretching routine lasted a good 30 to 40 minutes. After that, I would do 5-10 minutes sessions throughout the day (every 4 hours or so) to keep things loose.

The problem with pumping and girth work in general is that it sometimes interferes with your manual routine due to discomfort caused by edema. I do not want to tell you what to do, but if you are having this issue, it is probably best to do lighter girth work so that it doesn't affect your length work.

Maybe the lengthmaster solves this problem, I do not know. Someone will answer that.

But keep experimenting, and if you have any questions, we would be happy to help.
 
Grandmaster said:
With manuals, you don't necessarily have to work up to a certain number of reps or sets. Again, you go by feel. If you are comfortable at any given moment to increase the tension slightly, or to stretch a little bit longer, or if you feel like you could profit from doing an extra set at a particular angle, then do it.

You will feel the increasing intensity of the stretch with more reps. Some would describe it feeling good. But at some point, your body will warn you if you are about to go too far. The stretch will start feeling sharp, like it could possibly tear. At that point, you really have to pay attention. Do your reps, but with less force, until you feel like you have completely exhausted the tissues from all angles.

Regarding sets, you can increase them slowly if you want, but what is most important is fatigue in the target tissues. There were times where I was "supposed to do" three sets of each, but could only do 2 because my tissues were completely exhausted and my body was telling me to call it quits. You see? So I stopped.

So, I would do a quick warm up of manuals first thing in the morning, followed by extending, followed by your MAIN stretching routine for the day. For me, on average, my stretching routine lasted a good 30 to 40 minutes. After that, I would do 5-10 minutes sessions throughout the day (every 4 hours or so) to keep things loose.

The problem with pumping and girth work in general is that it sometimes interferes with your manual routine due to discomfort caused by edema. I do not want to tell you what to do, but if you are having this issue, it is probably best to do lighter girth work so that it doesn't affect your length work.

Maybe the lengthmaster solves this problem, I do not know. Someone will answer that.

But keep experimenting, and if you have any questions, we would be happy to help.
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I like that idea. That 1 hour of wrap time before the gym is a perfect place to put all the manual stretches together.

I'm going to try repeating the same schedule tomorrow and see how I feel. To be honest, it might be a bit too much considering just how tired my penis feels after a single day. No sharp pain, but just like a dull ache from the base to tip. The stretches most certainly added a whole new level to this.

The weekend is all about recovery of my whole body after 5 days in the gym (and of strict PE now!), so I'm just going to do some short extender work and manually stretch it out for a minute or two every hour. I do love the way the wrap feels. That slight pressure and the way it hangs is very comfy, but its not going to be feasible to do for an extended amount of time adjusting every 20 minutes as summer approaches and it's pool/cookout season and other events outside. If my penis is super exhausted/sore after tomorrow, I'll probably do a super short stretch in the morning, then after first extender session, do 2 sets of bundled and that will be it for a while (so 1 less total set, but group the 2 together to begin the habit of building a full manual only session). Perhaps stretching again after the second traction session is a bit too much too fast.

Either way, super excited to actually feel that soreness. It's what I always assumed you must feel if there is anything happening, so much appreciated again!

EDIT: Oh, and yes, totally agree with the pumping. I took it easier tonight because of the new found soreness but still hit the same mark as if I pumped to the extreme, so it was definitely stretched out very well. No way I'm going to be able to do anything after pumping for the time being, so I think ending the day with it is the best play to make sure I get both length and girth work in 5 days a week. As time moves on, maybe I switch up the order depending on how the girth is growing. First goal is certainly length focused, so I'll keep that in mind if it gets to a point where the pump is leading to being too sore by the end of the week to get all the length stuff in.
 
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Quick update:

I think I've finally found my beginner routine I plan to run for the next several months.

Wake up, light manual stretching to warm up.
90 minutes traction
20 minute wrap (I do this because I was getting some chaffing going straight into the manuals after traction, this 20 minutes seems to be enough to let my skin relax and prevent it from being agitated)
Manual Routine which includes:
5 minutes Beginner Stretch Routine - 1 minute left, right, down, center, belly button
5 minutes Beginner Stretches with wooden handle - 1 minute left, right, down, up, end with rotary stretch
4 minutes bundled left and right, rotating opposite directions for both "sets" of left to right, 1 minute each
90 minutes traction
Gym (PE rest)
60 minutes traction
3 x 5 minute sessions Bathmate w/kegal work (monday through friday)
30 minutes cock ring
Rest of evening combo of wrapping/light manual stretch each hour until bed time.

Structuring it this way now allows me to get my 4 hours of traction per day (this is what multiple studies around traction work indicated was a critical amount of time to hit for maximum gains in their sample size) but also allows me to get some manual work and practice in.

It also allows me to keep my penis in some sort of expanded state, whether from stretching or pumping, for about 12 hours a day, so I feel confident I'll see some results over the next 4 months. Come June, I'll take some measurements and increase intensity or frequency (or both!) from there.

Thank you, everyone, for your input and recommendations! You guys are amazing.

Random Question - What is the longest amount of time you've been able to run a routine before hitting a plateau?
 
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BigBubs said:
Random Question - What is the longest amount of time you've been able to run a routine before hitting a plateau?
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i've been gaining on my routine for almost 15 years and only did minor changes. i never had any device until the end of 2023 where i bought my first pump. i truly believe that the only thing that matters in the long run is time under tension. you may feel that you're locked in some kind of plateau now and then because you just didn't hit the amount of time under tension to unlock another plastic deformation yet. that said i'd chose bundled stretch variations over the straight ones big time. implement some manding0 stretch variations as soon as you feel your dick and pelvic floor can handle it. continue with the pumping and maybe add some isolated compression squeezes for girth. to be honest, that's all you need to grow.

ps: solid routine you got there mate! i'd cut back on the traction time and increase the amount for manual stretches, but that's just me. i'm a big fan of manual stretching, because you can deeply focus on your breathing and learn how to release the tension in your pelvic floor by doing reverse kegels. you may have noticed everytime you pull on your dick your pelvic floor is trying to hold it back. this is also very important whilst pumping. always do reverse kegels when the pump is sucking in your dick. keep it up fella, you're doing a great job!
 
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BigBubs said:
Quick update:

I think I've finally found my beginner routine I plan to run for the next several months.

Wake up, light manual stretching to warm up.
90 minutes traction
20 minute wrap (I do this because I was getting some chaffing going straight into the manuals after traction, this 20 minutes seems to be enough to let my skin relax and prevent it from being agitated)
Manual Routine which includes:
5 minutes Beginner Stretch Routine - 1 minute left, right, down, center, belly button
5 minutes Beginner Stretches with wooden handle - 1 minute left, right, down, up, end with rotary stretch
4 minutes bundled left and right, rotating opposite directions for both "sets" of left to right, 1 minute each
90 minutes traction
Gym (PE rest)
60 minutes traction
3 x 5 minute sessions Bathmate w/kegal work (monday through friday)
30 minutes cock ring
Rest of evening combo of wrapping/light manual stretch each hour until bed time.

Structuring it this way now allows me to get my 4 hours of traction per day (this is what multiple studies around traction work indicated was a critical amount of time to hit for maximum gains in their sample size) but also allows me to get some manual work and practice in.

It also allows me to keep my penis in some sort of expanded state, whether from stretching or pumping, for about 12 hours a day, so I feel confident I'll see some results over the next 4 months. Come June, I'll take some measurements and increase intensity or frequency (or both!) from there.

Thank you, everyone, for your input and recommendations! You guys are amazing.

Random Question - What is the longest amount of time you've been able to run a routine before hitting a plateau?
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I would say about 6 months until I increase the intensity or add exercise.
 
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i've been gaining on my routine for almost 15 years and only did minor changes. i never had any device until the end of 2023 where i bought my first pump. i truly believe that the only thing that matters in the long run is time under tension. you may feel that you're locked in some kind of plateau now and then because you just didn't hit the amount of time under tension to unlock another plastic deformation yet. that said i'd chose bundled stretch variations over the straight ones big time. implement some manding0 stretch variations as soon as you feel your dick and pelvic floor can handle it. continue with the pumping and maybe add some isolated compression squeezes for girth. to be honest, that's all you need to grow.

ps: solid routine you got there mate! i'd cut back on the traction time and increase the amount for manual stretches, but that's just me. i'm a big fan of manual stretching, because you can deeply focus on your breathing and learn how to release the tension in your pelvic floor by doing reverse kegels. you may have noticed everytime you pull on your dick your pelvic floor is trying to hold it back. this is also very important whilst pumping. always do reverse kegels when the pump is sucking in your dick. keep it up fella, you're doing a great job!
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Ohhh reverse kegel? So when pumping, I'm assuming the reverse of stopping your urine stream would be pushing like I'm trying to pee, then? Is this something that should held as long as possible or just quick bursts (or both like kegels)?
 
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Ohhh reverse kegel? So when pumping, I'm assuming the reverse of stopping your urine stream would be pushing like I'm trying to pee, then? Is this something that should held as long as possible or just quick bursts (or both like kegels)?
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exactly! DLD wrote in his SRT thread:

"When you do a normal Kegel you are squeezing, this is a total "hold back" of the suspensory ligaments. If you do it when you are erect and naked, if you have a strong PC muscle, you can bounce your penis by flexing this muscle. When you are peeing and you stop yourself midway through the contraction of a squeeze of the PC muscles you can stop the flow of urine, this, too, is a kegel. A reverse kegel is the complete opposite.The reverse kegel would be the pushing, or total “unflex” of the Pelvic Floor muscles. Amazingly, when you learn how to do the Reverse Kegel, you have learned part of what changed penis enlargement and allowed it to stand toe to toe with the medical world version, surgery. When the Reverse Kegel is being performed, the suspensory ligaments are bypassed and the user can effectively stretch the penis with no interference. It is also a very common reflex for some men to kegel out of fear when stretching , a kind of defend mechanism. When you learn the Reverse Kegel when stretching you will see much faster length gains."

understanding and mastering the pelvic floor is essential and overlooked by too many. tension and relaxation should balance each other out. if you do 100 normal kegels, do at least 100 reverse kegels. whenever something is pulling your dick away from your body, be it through manual stretches, pumping or wearing a traction device, do reverse kegels. there is no need to hold it for the entire stretch, but breathe into the stretch as often as you can. deep lower belly breathing will always result in a reverse kegel, that's why it's so healthy in many ways. i personally would stay away from normal kegels whilst in a stretched position. putting stress on the ligaments from both ends just makes no sense to me at all. @DLD what's your take on that?
 
i wish you the best of luck. im currently trying to figure out how to live the rest of my life without a penis due to this stuff. you have no idea the mental/physical devastation youre playing with. Just a warning. I wish somebody had warned me sooner. id have never risked this had i known what was possible.
 
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i wish you the best of luck. im currently trying to figure out how to live the rest of my life without a penis due to this stuff. you have no idea the mental/physical devastation youre playing with. Just a warning. I wish somebody had warned me sooner. id have never risked this had i known what was possible.
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dude, i just read your thread. i've been where you are right now several times in my life. calm down and stop freaking out. you're not fucked up, everything will be fine. study THIS thread religiously and follow the treatment program. message me afterwards if you still have questions left.
 
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dude, i just read your thread. i've been where you are right now several times in my life. calm down and stop freaking out. you're not fucked up, everything will be fine. study THIS thread religiously and follow the treatment program. message me afterwards if you still have questions left.
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i really really hope youre right. but its just a fair warning. nothing more. even if i do recover, it wasnt worth the 7 months of hell ive been through already. ive read that article months ago and tried and tried to follow it, and believe that may be what im going through. but never got anywhere there either. i seem to have a lot of nerve problems on the glans from this, that just wont seem to heal. its highly sensitized when wearing clothing,which screws with my feeling all day and makes it feel very uncomfortable.
 
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i really really hope youre right. but its just a fair warning. nothing more. even if i do recover, it wasnt worth the 7 months of hell ive been through already. ive read that article months ago and tried and tried to follow it, and believe that may be what im going through. but never got anywhere there either. i seem to have a lot of nerve problems on the glans from this, that just wont seem to heal. its highly sensitized when wearing clothing,which screws with my feeling all day and makes it feel very uncomfortable.
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have you seen a chiropractic who checked your lumbar spine, hips, posture in general? if not, do so asap.
 
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not yet. that just doesnt make sense with nerve issues at the glans,which started after a bit more pressure jelqing than i had done before.
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the nerves for what you feel or don't feel in your glans are located in the yellow region.
trust me, get it checked and try to open up the region with stretching and tissue massages.


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last posting here, don't want to hijack @BigBubs thread 🙏🏼
 
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With manuals, you don't necessarily have to work up to a certain number of reps or sets. Again, you go by feel. If you are comfortable at any given moment to increase the tension slightly, or to stretch a little bit longer, or if you feel like you could profit from doing an extra set at a particular angle, then do it.

You will feel the increasing intensity of the stretch with more reps. Some would describe it feeling good. But at some point, your body will warn you if you are about to go too far. The stretch will start feeling sharp, like it could possibly tear. At that point, you really have to pay attention. Do your reps, but with less force, until you feel like you have completely exhausted the tissues from all angles.

Regarding sets, you can increase them slowly if you want, but what is most important is fatigue in the target tissues. There were times where I was "supposed to do" three sets of each, but could only do 2 because my tissues were completely exhausted and my body was telling me to call it quits. You see? So I stopped.

So, I would do a quick warm up of manuals first thing in the morning, followed by extending, followed by your MAIN stretching routine for the day. For me, on average, my stretching routine lasted a good 30 to 40 minutes. After that, I would do 5-10 minutes sessions throughout the day (every 4 hours or so) to keep things loose.

The problem with pumping and girth work in general is that it sometimes interferes with your manual routine due to discomfort caused by edema. I do not want to tell you what to do, but if you are having this issue, it is probably best to do lighter girth work so that it doesn't affect your length work.

Maybe the lengthmaster solves this problem, I do not know. Someone will answer that.

But keep experimenting, and if you have any questions, we would be happy to help.
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Heeding your advice and worked up to about 20 minutes of manual stretching today! Set of manual, 2 sets with the stick, then a bundled set. Will try to work up to a second bundled set then start using the stick for those as well. Started to really feel the fatigue at the base, especially on the left side which makes sense because that side does seem a bit tighter and it naturally wants to go left when I'm putting on pants my whole life. I'm in it to win it!
 
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Today marks the last of my first completed week of traction, manual stretching, and pumping! Erection quality has remained incredible and my wife has certainly noticed. No more 80% boners! I contribute it mostly to 2 months never missing a pumping session, but I've been waking up in the middle of the night with boners which hasn't happened in a long time (I'm about to turn 38), so blood flow is most certainly improved just in this short time of consistent pumping.

Question about the stretching with the handle: I've been experimenting with adding pressure to the normal manual stretches. I found if I pull in a direction, I can put my thumb where I would normally put the handle, and add more tension in just the right direction and get a crazy noticeable stretch, far more so than with the broom handle. I believe part of the issue with getting a good feeling with the handle might be due to my large quads just constantly being in the way, so I can't experiment much with the direction of the pressure unless I lay down, which I know will cause me to miss sessions. Right now, I am able to do everything sitting at my computer desk so I'm not missing anything ever.

I guess what I'm asking is, if a method feels great, should you stick with it? I think this feels closer to what I'd get with the Lengthmaster with it being so easy to maneuver around and get good angles, which I think I would switch to after this gets too easy.
 
BigBubs said:
Today marks the last of my first completed week of traction, manual stretching, and pumping! Erection quality has remained incredible and my wife has certainly noticed. No more 80% boners! I contribute it mostly to 2 months never missing a pumping session, but I've been waking up in the middle of the night with boners which hasn't happened in a long time (I'm about to turn 38), so blood flow is most certainly improved just in this short time of consistent pumping.

Question about the stretching with the handle: I've been experimenting with adding pressure to the normal manual stretches. I found if I pull in a direction, I can put my thumb where I would normally put the handle, and add more tension in just the right direction and get a crazy noticeable stretch, far more so than with the broom handle. I believe part of the issue with getting a good feeling with the handle might be due to my large quads just constantly being in the way, so I can't experiment much with the direction of the pressure unless I lay down, which I know will cause me to miss sessions. Right now, I am able to do everything sitting at my computer desk so I'm not missing anything ever.

I guess what I'm asking is, if a method feels great, should you stick with it? I think this feels closer to what I'd get with the Lengthmaster with it being so easy to maneuver around and get good angles, which I think I would switch to after this gets too easy.
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Stick with what works for you. But don't be shy to try new things especially bundled stretching with the lengthmaster
 
BigBubs said:
Today marks the last of my first completed week of traction, manual stretching, and pumping! Erection quality has remained incredible and my wife has certainly noticed. No more 80% boners! I contribute it mostly to 2 months never missing a pumping session, but I've been waking up in the middle of the night with boners which hasn't happened in a long time (I'm about to turn 38), so blood flow is most certainly improved just in this short time of consistent pumping.
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me too brother, turning 38 in august! good vintage 😎 keep it up!
 
Quick update for a small milestone but hugely encouraging.

I'm officially registering .25" longer inside the bathmate since January. I have a suspicion that my actual gain is a bit more than a quarter inch, but it's difficult for me to get a high quality erection when pumping. They're usually only 70-80% at most. Seems to be only my wife can get the throbbing boners out of me lol! I've only been doing my traction for 1 month, and added the manuals a little over a week ago, so I'm just now even getting into the serious training!

Between my weight loss, maintaining my full routine, and significantly increased EQ, my penis is undoubtedly growing.

Last night I went to make love to my wife and literally looked down at my penis and had thought to myself "whoa". I barely recognized my own penis for a moment. It seemed longer and NOTICEABLY fuller and my wife practically gasped as I went in. Since adding traction and manual stretches (up to 20-25 minutes now!) my EQ is WILD.

So thanks again, everyone who has commented or encouraged me to make this a habit. Will be back when I reach another milestone!
 
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