Take stretching to the next level (How to measure when stretching!)

A PROBLEM!

Many of us here are stretchers, whether by hand or using the Lengthmaster, and all of us face one, big problem. Unlike hanging, where you know what weight you're using and you know exactly how long you're using it for, stretching leaves us kind of in the dark about exactly what we're doing. We don't know how hard we're pulling, we don't know how much force we're applying. Stretching "hard" or even "as hard as you can" for 30 seconds is like going into the gym to do 15 squats... but you don't know how much weight is on the bar. Was that a useful set of squats? How could you possibly know? In resistance training, you at least have the feedback from your muscles to guide you in hindsight. If it took everything I had to make that 15th rep, then in hindsight it was a good set. But with stretching we don't have anything like that.

So we face a serious problem when we're analyzing our own routines, and especially the routines of others. When someone writes on the forum that they've been doing their manual stretching for 16 months with no results, we don't know if they're barely pulling at all, or if they're hurting themselves because they're 5lbs of pressure away from ripping their dicks off every time they sit down for PE!

But this problem may be worse than that. The general consensus in the hanging community seems to be that progressive overload is an important element for actually seeing results. That means that the hangers seem to be getting the best results when they gradually increase the tension over time. They can only do that because they know precisely how much tension they're applying each time. They aren't doing this blindly, like we stretchers are!

This gets dicey for us because hanging and stretching are essentially the exact same mechanic: apply tension to the penis over time. The only difference is that hangers are applying (usually) less tension for much longer periods of time, while stretchers are applying (probably) much more tension for much shorter periods of time. Do we know that this difference means the principle of progressive overload applies to one method but not the other? If the exercise analogy holds, it probably applies either to both or neither!

So even a stretcher is applying enough but not too much tension, he may be getting sub optimal results simply because he hasn't been using progressive overload. Up to this point, he hasn't been able to!

A SOLUTION!

There is no reason we can't stretch with the same measured precision that hangers have. Luggage scales are cheap. This one from Home Depot costs $7. Hook that to the bundle chamber from the Lengthmaster and you can now measure exactly how much force you're applying every time you stretch. When you take your notes, you don't just know how many sets of how many reps... you know how much weight you used. :)

Now you're free to apply progressive overload. (Has that ever been tested in stretching?) Now when people write in saying they haven't gotten results stretching, we can actually have some idea what they really mean when they say they stretch. Now we can find out if some people who get great results with stretching happen to be applying some "proper" range of force that those who get no results are outside of.
 
I was gonna say fish scale would show you exactly how much weight you’re using or resistancScale would show you exactly how much weight you’re using or resistance. @Lightning did some studies using different scales with the Bathmate and Penomet. So accurate weight or resistance can be easily translated through the methods you have mentioned above. At one time we’re going to put a resistance meter on the Lengthmaster to gauge work but we never could figure a proper way to do it. But I agree with what you said as far is routine’s, stretching and tools go, if we can’t can’t express how much intensity we are using it’s hard for others to translate that to their own work out. I like where you’re going with us and hopefully we can nail down some serious ways to gauge intensity across the board.
 
A built-in meter on the Lengthmaster itself would be pretty swank, and especially if you could adjust it to face different directions it would be the easiest to actually read while stretching.

I'm going to just hook a luggage scale to the nylon strap on the bundle chamber and get started with that. (As soon as I have a bundle chamber, that is. Plenty of people here already have one, and can get started playing with this sooner than I will!)

This won't get really interesting until lots of people are measuring the tension and making note of it in their progress logs. Right now I wouldn't even know what range to aim for if I could measure! So hop on it, guys! The idea might need some tinkering in practice, but this kind of data is essential.
 
A built-in meter on the Lengthmaster itself would be pretty swank, and especially if you could adjust it to face different directions it would be the easiest to actually read while stretching.

I'm going to just hook a luggage scale to the nylon strap on the bundle chamber and get started with that. (As soon as I have a bundle chamber, that is. Plenty of people here already have one, and can get started playing with this sooner than I will!)

This won't get really interesting until lots of people are measuring the tension and making note of it in their progress logs. Right now I wouldn't even know what range to aim for if I could measure! So hop on it, guys! The idea might need some tinkering in practice, but this kind of data is essential.


I agree. If you or anyone else has ideas about how to add a pressure gauge, or intensity gauge to the Lengthmaster it would be an awesome contribution!
 
Alright, gentlemen, all the parts have arrived. I've attached a couple pics just to show the 'first draft' of this idea. I couldn't pull very hard for this because I still have no idea how to wrap for the bundle chamber, but as you can see the pieces go together quite well. Using hands and feet, you can stretch in any direction now and know exactly how much tension you're putting on the penis.

What I love about this scale is the 'target hand.' In the first picture, you can see a red arrow and a black arrow. The red arrow actually tells you what the scale is measuring, and the black arrow you set to whatever weight you want to target. This is really handy and something everyone should have on their scale, because it's much easier to just check whether the arrows match up than it is to try to read those little numbers while you're stretching. VERY useful feature!

The only adjustment I think I might make at this point is to sew the webbing on the bundle chamber together near the bottom so that I can shorten the entire chain as much as possible. That would just make the current scale a little more convenient, but I could easily do without and I still have an electronic scale to try that is itself a lot shorter.

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@Lightning

Wow I love that you made this post. How much stretch can you get out of the Lengthmaster at full stretch with that scale? I mean how many pounds of intensity are you able to use? I hope you understand what I mean LOL
 
No I’m asking if we should hotlink the word gallery
 
It does, and remember, that this is not meant to be 100% accurate, but a good guide of intensity during a session. This helps to know where one is at during a session, and to plan for the future.

Otherwise, you are going off feelings, sensations, fatigue. All can be good, but, having something like this, take it further.

I call this training with your brain .. training smart
 
Doesn’t the scale show how much weight or force is being used?
Correct, the scale measures the force of the pull; the tension is being pulled on the scale not the T-Handlebar of the LengthMaster. The Scale needs a T-handlebar attachment for better manipulation and control.
I always thought a small (in-home) Portable Electric Pulling/Traction Winch with a timer and poundage settings would be an ideal PE device for stretches.
 
Wow I love that you made this post. How much stretch can you get out of the Lengthmaster at full stretch with that scale? I mean how many pounds of intensity are you able to use? I hope you understand what I mean LOL
The scale measures up to 80lbs, so you can get measurements up to 80lbs of resistance. You could still pull harder than that (if that's a thing) and just write down that you're pulling harder than 80lbs. If you're pulling down and just hook your foot into the scale, you'd probably be able to pull WAY harder than 80lbs. Careful, guys!
we have been using scales with LengthMaster since I brought it up a few years ago.
Well, you hangers have been using them. Hangers have been great at tracking both time and intensity. But I've NEVER seen this data from stretchers. If stretchers have been measuring, they've been keeping it secret. :)
I like the idea of having a way to measure the force (intensity) using the LengthMaster for manual stretches. I just don't comprehend how putting the scale after the LengthMaster will get an accurate measurement of tension when doing manual stretches...
Correct, the scale measures the force of the pull; the tension is being pulled on the scale not the T-Handlebar of the LengthMaster. The Scale needs a T-handlebar attachment for better manipulation and control.
I always thought a small (in-home) Portable Electric Pulling/Traction Winch with a timer and poundage settings would be an ideal PE device for stretches.
Hey Threak, I'm not sure what you're asking about here. The scale is attached to the bundle chamber, which in turn is attached to your penis. So the penis is part of the same chain as the scale, and any force you apply to the scale is applied to the penis. The scale itself may not be perfectly accurate, and probably isn't, but it will give you a MUCH better idea of what you're doing than if you didn't use one.

The winch does seem like an interesting way to really automate and perfect the stretching process as much as possible, though, and if you prefer T-handles for control there are also luggage scales that have those. Actually, the electronic one I'm trying next is a T-bar. :)
 
Waiting for further clarification but thank you guys for getting this conversation started I think it’s going to really help LengthMaster users!
 
First day getting the bundle chamber to work (wrapped with the yellow, resistance-band-lookin thing that came with it) and trying out the whole rig. I did bundle stretches with 15lbs of force, and ALMOST got through 3 sets of basic stretches with 20lbs of force. Details in my progress log. Suffice it to say, penises and blood are not supposed to mix in my world. ;)

I know some of you hangers are using more than 20lbs, and for much longer than 30 seconds before you get to release pressure and go to the next stretch. Now to figure out if that's because you're wrapping better than me, or if it's because I just started out too forceful and need to dial it back and work up slower.

But now we have a number: 20lbs. None of you are left to wonder what I mean when I say I pulled/squeezed 'too hard.' :)

EDIT: The scale didn't work as well for behind-the-cheeks. Due to the nature of that stretch, with the entire chain being pulled up against your butt cheeks, it's hard to tell how much of the force with which I pull is going to my penis, and how much is going into my cheeks. Mirrors help!
 
The SiliScale is optional. It is not included.

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Assuming 30-60sec sets, How much traction force should be applied when trying to lengthen the tunica?
I think I have tapped my ligament gains already (2cm total).
 
How long have you been doing PE?

The force needs to be enough to cause stress, but then if you were doing ADS, its a different way of stretching, as that is either keeping the old stress in its extended state, or, its "softening" if you will, getting the penis ready, for a more intense session to come.
 
How long have you been doing PE?

The force needs to be enough to cause stress, but then if you were doing ADS, its a different way of stretching, as that is either keeping the old stress in its extended state, or, its "softening" if you will, getting the penis ready, for a more intense session to come.
Excellent advice Red!
 
How long have you been doing PE?

The force needs to be enough to cause stress, but then if you were doing ADS, its a different way of stretching, as that is either keeping the old stress in its extended state, or, its "softening" if you will, getting the penis ready, for a more intense session to come.
I have been doing PE for a little over a year. It includes 700 hours in an extender, and 4 months doing manual + pumping + ADS. During those 4 months I have gained nothing.

Currently my manual force is around 2.5 to 7kg, and ADS is 1 to 2kg (2-9 hours daily), which doesn't seem to give any gains. Not a single millimeter in 4 months. I use Bathmate to measure my gains (max erection and max vacuum), as water displacement seems to be the most consistent measuring method.

Can you give any approximate traction force if my goal is to make tunica gains?
 
I have been doing PE for a little over a year. It includes 700 hours in an extender, and 4 months doing manual + pumping + ADS. During those 4 months I have gained nothing.

Currently my manual force is around 2.5 to 7kg, and ADS is 1 to 2kg (2-9 hours daily), which doesn't seem to give any gains. Not a single millimeter in 4 months. I use Bathmate to measure my gains (max erection and max vacuum), as water displacement seems to be the most consistent measuring method.

Can you give any approximate traction force if my goal is to make tunica gains?


Making tunica gains has become easier than ever. If you do bundled stretching before you start your routine with you to cover become pre-stretched and allow you to take on more size. As far as how much weight you should be using I think between six and 9 pounds is a good place to be. As far as traction devices do you want to always go but slight bit past your erect size (since you will be flaccid)

How have you been using you Bathmate? What routine are you following? Have you ever read through SRT?
 
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