Most big gainers are bullshit and they're not motivational or inspirational at all. So hear me out: I'll start with a natural bodybuilding analogy. People who are new to weight lifting can gain between 1.5-2.5lbs of lean muscle a month (that's 18-30lbs in a year), while advanced lifters can end up gain as little as 0.0-0.1lbs of lean muscle a month. When you reach your "natural limit" or your "genetic potential", it just becomes impossible to gain anymore. PE is very similar.
Most people can gain about 0.6-1.2" in length, that's it, after that they're completely done. If you look at various different extender studies that span a year, gains just completely stop after about 6 months of use. This is an ACTUAL trajectory of gains from an ACTUAL study: Month 0-1: Gain of 0.94cm, Month 1-3: gain of 0.44cm, Month 3-6: gain of 0.38cm, Month 6-12: gain of 0.06cm. That's a 6 month period of ZERO gains (month6-month12). The reason you completely stop gaining is because of tunica/ligament/tissue toughness that's built up as a result from the stretching/extending, making it nearly impossible to gain.
Genetics is nearly everything when it comes to this stuff. When extenders stop working, you're mostly donzo most of the time. Some people just simply have a thinner more elastic tunica making it possible to gain more compared to having a really thick one. To illustrate some of my points about genetics, in some of the extender studies they record the "biggest gainers". In the phallosan study there were what? 20 participants? and the biggest gainer gained 1.5"? Assuming that is the true rarity of such a gain (it could've obviously been unluck or luck depending on random chance), but roughly 5% of the population can gain 1.5" from phallosan. In one of the andropenis studies they recorded a participant that gained 5cm (1.96"). Heck, I even personally know three people who I 100% trust that have gained 2", one of them with picture proof, and they all did it with extenders only. They all gained really rapidly in the start (half an inch or more the first month). When the extenders stopped working, they all tried hanging and gained absoultely nothing.
Honestly if someone here has been around for a really long time, and subconciously or conciously been able to "compile" a lot of data in their mind/head of what people do to gain after they've reached their "natural limit" (can't gain from extenders anymore), I'd love to hear it. This is what is "MOTIVATIONAL", and "INSPIRATIONAL". I honestly don't care if some random ass "big gainer" gained 2 inches from an extender. This isn't of interest to me. Also, this is just my personal POV, but it seems like people cap out at about the same gain from manual stretching and extenders. So both "data points" are good.
So far, I've only really heard of a couple of ways to offset this supposed "toughness", and they're as follows:
1) Just quit completely. Quit for months if not years, as this has been said to "loosen" up some of the toughness, making it possible to gain again.
2) For people stretching manually or hanging, add constant heat via heating lamps.
3) Shock loading with hanging. This is where you add a way heavier load than normal for a shorther period of time, probably very dangerous though.
4) Just try to power through the plateau (Unlikely to work from my personal opinion, espeically if you're trying to power through with an extender.
Apart from that I've heard people propose hanging in general as it can up the force, but I'm a bit skeptical, since three of the people I know who gained massively from extenders (good genetics), gained nothing from hanging after they reached their "genetic potential". On top of that, it actually seems like time is way more important than force. The phallosan guys even mention this on their own site. "Desired success is mainly achieved by consistent application over time and not merely the amount of tension". I feel like due to the penis strenghtening and adaptation to the time and tension of the extender, you'd eventually have to extend 24 hours a day with slowly increasing tension to gain, similar to when they lengthen a persons leg.
So I'm actually a bit curious about this last point here. Have anyone actually tried to extend for absurd hours? Say you use a traditional extender during the day and phallosan at night? Clocking in 12-15, maybe even 18+hrs a day?
Most people can gain about 0.6-1.2" in length, that's it, after that they're completely done. If you look at various different extender studies that span a year, gains just completely stop after about 6 months of use. This is an ACTUAL trajectory of gains from an ACTUAL study: Month 0-1: Gain of 0.94cm, Month 1-3: gain of 0.44cm, Month 3-6: gain of 0.38cm, Month 6-12: gain of 0.06cm. That's a 6 month period of ZERO gains (month6-month12). The reason you completely stop gaining is because of tunica/ligament/tissue toughness that's built up as a result from the stretching/extending, making it nearly impossible to gain.
Genetics is nearly everything when it comes to this stuff. When extenders stop working, you're mostly donzo most of the time. Some people just simply have a thinner more elastic tunica making it possible to gain more compared to having a really thick one. To illustrate some of my points about genetics, in some of the extender studies they record the "biggest gainers". In the phallosan study there were what? 20 participants? and the biggest gainer gained 1.5"? Assuming that is the true rarity of such a gain (it could've obviously been unluck or luck depending on random chance), but roughly 5% of the population can gain 1.5" from phallosan. In one of the andropenis studies they recorded a participant that gained 5cm (1.96"). Heck, I even personally know three people who I 100% trust that have gained 2", one of them with picture proof, and they all did it with extenders only. They all gained really rapidly in the start (half an inch or more the first month). When the extenders stopped working, they all tried hanging and gained absoultely nothing.
Honestly if someone here has been around for a really long time, and subconciously or conciously been able to "compile" a lot of data in their mind/head of what people do to gain after they've reached their "natural limit" (can't gain from extenders anymore), I'd love to hear it. This is what is "MOTIVATIONAL", and "INSPIRATIONAL". I honestly don't care if some random ass "big gainer" gained 2 inches from an extender. This isn't of interest to me. Also, this is just my personal POV, but it seems like people cap out at about the same gain from manual stretching and extenders. So both "data points" are good.
So far, I've only really heard of a couple of ways to offset this supposed "toughness", and they're as follows:
1) Just quit completely. Quit for months if not years, as this has been said to "loosen" up some of the toughness, making it possible to gain again.
2) For people stretching manually or hanging, add constant heat via heating lamps.
3) Shock loading with hanging. This is where you add a way heavier load than normal for a shorther period of time, probably very dangerous though.
4) Just try to power through the plateau (Unlikely to work from my personal opinion, espeically if you're trying to power through with an extender.
Apart from that I've heard people propose hanging in general as it can up the force, but I'm a bit skeptical, since three of the people I know who gained massively from extenders (good genetics), gained nothing from hanging after they reached their "genetic potential". On top of that, it actually seems like time is way more important than force. The phallosan guys even mention this on their own site. "Desired success is mainly achieved by consistent application over time and not merely the amount of tension". I feel like due to the penis strenghtening and adaptation to the time and tension of the extender, you'd eventually have to extend 24 hours a day with slowly increasing tension to gain, similar to when they lengthen a persons leg.
So I'm actually a bit curious about this last point here. Have anyone actually tried to extend for absurd hours? Say you use a traditional extender during the day and phallosan at night? Clocking in 12-15, maybe even 18+hrs a day?
