Penomet to Bathmate differences...

[freal]

Hey guys.
So I've just got my BM X40 - very excited! But I just wanted to check something with you guys who may have owned the Penomet as well before.

I've noticed it takes more effort to press down on the pump (i.e the gaiter seems a lot tougher to push) compared to the Penomet.. is this how it should be? Does this mean it has more pressure in it? Is it like the equivalent of getting the higher gaiters on the Penomet (which I have heard is stronger)?

Thanks

 

[DLD]

In a head-to-head competition that lightning performed the Bathmate was far more intense than the Penomet. The advantage that Penomet had over the Bathmate is the multi gator system but in the multi gator system the strongest gator was not as strong as the standard Bathmate.

 

[Brawn Johnson]

In a head-to-head competition that lightning performed the Bathmate was far more intense than the Penomet. The advantage that Penomet had over the Bathmate is the multi gator system but in the multi gator system the strongest gator was not as strong as the standard Bathmate.

Yikes, and I was getting gator bite from the Penomet when I used it (briefly) last year! I read the advice about easing into pumps and was all "nah fuggit I'm going 1/2 hr highest gator." That stuff is no joke!

 

[arkailija]

Yes, the gaiter on X40 or any of the BM series pumps can be harder to push down, especially if compared to the low force gaiters for Penomet.

RED wrote briefly about the gaiter design in Hydropumps doesn't allow to push over certain threshold. I hope my "quote" is correct, but he did explain it in a good manner that was new information to me.

So, it is as it should be, no worries! I actually happen to have the "Hulk" gaiter for Penomet. Honestly, I think I can push it down without Vacu-vin! (cwl) It's that rigid.

Easing into pumping is legit deal Brawn! I do recall my first Hercules session, getting huge expansion which was mostly fluid. (At the time I had no idea of doughnut head to my best memory. But I did learn!)

 

[Brawn Johnson]

Yep I learned pretty quick. Enjoy your new ring of blisters! Also you don't get an erection for the next couple days.

 

[arkailija]

Ouch! I just got the doughnut that went down the next say, erections were fine.

You surely have learned, that shows!

 

[DLD]

Trial and error and learning with every session will eventually bring mastery so what you’re doing.

 

[freal]

Awesome. Thanks for the replies! Gonna strengthen up my arms now at this rate... haha

 

[arkailija]

That's one thing you might get with PE, stronger arms and fingers!
Depending on methods used naturally.

Take good care of the pump and the gaiter will remain rigid. I think I've used mine a bit too much at times, possibly with too hot water, so the gaiter is a bit softer / easier to push than in the beginning.
If you need lube, use something water-based or something "natural", silicone lubes are a no-go!

 

[Haursen]

Great question, freal!

May I ask a piggyback question?

Can the Bathmate and the Penomet serve as an air pump sans the water too?

 

[REDZULU2003]

No, they are hydro only.

 

[DLD]

Great question, freal!

May I ask a piggyback question?

Can the Bathmate and the Penomet serve as an air pump sans the water too?

Yes both can be used as an air pump. The bathmate is superior in this way and will give you a very similar pump as an air pump when the water is not used. Using a wine vac would be a smart move if you’re going to mod this for air pumping.

 

[arkailija]

Without Vacu-vin modification it's hard to get much out of them as air pumps. And in air pumping having a clear indicator of the "pressure" is more important, in my opinion.
In water, submerged, one's penis can take a "stronger blow", bluntly put!

I'd only use these hydropumps in air pump sense for quick "pick me up" before a real set with water.
But that's just me, I love dunking my junk in the warm water!

 

[DLD]

Without Vacu-vin modification it's hard to get much out of them as air pumps. And in air pumping having a clear indicator of the "pressure" is more important, in my opinion.
In water, submerged, one's penis can take a "stronger blow", bluntly put!

I'd only use these hydropumps in air pump sense for quick "pick me up" before a real set with water.
But that's just me, I love dunking my junk in the warm water!

I hear what you’re saying and that’s why the wine vacuum is so important if you’re going to use your Bathmate dry. But what’s the point really? The bathmate is the best pump for the very reason that we use water with it. If someone wants to air pump grab the MityVac from our store but I am telling you the BM crushes it. But we do sell both because some men just want to use an air pump.

 

[Haursen]

I hear what you’re saying and that’s why the wine vacuum is so important if you’re going to use your Bathmate dry. But what’s the point really? The bathmate is the best pump for the very reason that we use water with it. If someone wants to air pump grab the MityVac from our store but I am telling you the BM crushes it. But we do sell both because some men just want to use an air pump.

My mentor Big Al is a huge (pun intended) proponent for air pumping as a vehicle of change.

He highly recommended the air pumps from Dr. Kaplan as a high-quality pump. The price of the pump was pricey. His premium system is $495 bones.

At that price, I better be able to vacuum my floors too!

 

[aDiscipleofGod]

what really is the benefit of air pumps over hydro? are there any benefits? Does it promote growth more?

 

[arkailija]

Well, one could blunt and say there are no benefits to air pumping.

But that's not the wholesome truth, it's merely more of own feeling about it.

Few pros I can think of air pumping are:

-Easy to get different sized cylinders. (Could translate to a con as well, as in having to move up in sizes, but then again that might be reality with hydropumping as well.)

- A vast amount of cylinder producers: this is also about that "easy to get different sizes", there are several good manufacturers around the world.

- Can choose more easily where to pump: there is less mess with air pumping compared to hydropumping, so one could pump while in bed, in front of TV etc..
Some do the "bucket-way" with hydropumping and that's a possibility, but it would still be messier than just air pumping.

- Price; this is one that's hard to say about though: a good cylinder will slice away some money from your wallet/account, but most air pumping solutions can be somewhat cheaper compared to their Hydropump brothers.

These are few points that I can think of. One might think that being able to monitor the pressure is a big thing and in a way it is; with air pumping monitoring the pressure is very "scientific."

Overall, I don't put down air pumping. It's more of a personal preference to do hydropumping.
I'm glad that this world is full of different kind of solutions for making gains! (happy)

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

from a purely physics perspective, the far greater density of H2O allows for more force and even distribution of said forces.
the $10.00(usd) VacuVin allows for pressure modulation mid-session, enabling what I call 'dynamic pumping' where I can go to max+ then back-off, (throw-in a few Kegels) then increase pressure again...kind of a roller-coaster effect

 

[DLD]

Hey guys.
So I've just got my BM X40 - very excited! But I just wanted to check something with you guys who may have owned the Penomet as well before.

I've noticed it takes more effort to press down on the pump (i.e the gaiter seems a lot tougher to push) compared to the Penomet.. is this how it should be? Does this mean it has more pressure in it? Is it like the equivalent of getting the higher gaiters on the Penomet (which I have heard is stronger)?

Thanks

Is everything going all right my brother? Let us know how you’re doing or if we can help you further.

 

[REDZULU2003]

I think using a hydro pump dry is just stupid, but thats just me.

End of the day its been designed as a hydro Pump, and it works best in the water, not to mention with air pumping you risk going up in pressure to levels you canot handle, and with the bathmate it prevents this by use of WATER.

I dunno, do what you want I guess .. but paying cash for a kick ass product that does the job as its meant to do in the water and then messing about with some mod making it dry is going backwards.


MoS sells an air pump for those interested.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Yes both can be used as an air pump. The bathmate is superior in this way and will give you a very similar pump as an air pump when the water is not used. Using a wine vac would be a smart move if you’re going to mod this for air pumping.

Nah, its for water buddy. I tried the bathmate dry with the wine vac and its pathetic.

 

[DLD]

I think using a hydro pump dry is just stupid, but thats just me.

MoS sells an air pump for those interested.

Agree and agree?

 

[DLD]

Nah, its for water buddy. I tried the bathmate dry with the wine vac and its pathetic.

Like I said it’s not the best way to pump dry and that’s why we sell the mighty vac

 

[freal]

Is everything going all right my brother? Let us know how you’re doing or if we can help you further.

Yeah man - been on holiday so unable to pump (sucks when family is around, haha.) But getting back on it today and pretty excited!
Thanks for checkin up on me - appreciate it!

 

[DLD]

Yeah man - been on holiday so unable to pump (sucks when family is around, haha.) But getting back on it today and pretty excited!
Thanks for checkin up on me - appreciate it!

I will always check in on you my brother because your success is my success. I live vicariously through my brothers here who are making gains in changing their lives for the better. So I will always be on your ass making sure you’re doing what you need to do to get to the place you want to be.

 

[freal]

Awesome!
Making steady visual girth gains - aware these are beginnerish gains (though I've been conditioning/jelqing/exercising for years) - really hoping to solidify and cement these gains.

The excitement seeing it is encouraging! Building slowly and waiting to unleash it on my next pretty victim, hehe

Although, one annoyance is my balls seem to keep getting sucked in and its only long enough before pain kicks in so I have to stop part way.. barely seem to get past 4/5 mins. Any tips?

 

[DLD]

Tieback you’re Scrotum with an ace bandage or you can pump your whole package. Either way is works

 

[arkailija]

Yup, DLD's advice is solid! I've used cockrings for the same thing. There are ball stretchers also available.

Also, how you position the gaiter? Is the slanted lip down or does it sit more on your pubic bone? I've found that at times having the slanted portion up helps a lot.
Looking forward to your gains!

 

[StonerWithABoner]

Warm up well before a session and pull down on your ballsack for a bit to make sure they're hanging well out of the way before entering the pump. Sometimes i have to pull a ball or two down while i'm in the pump as well.

 

[StonerWithABoner]

Oh also try different angles. I found that rotating the bathmate slightly to the left helps it stay on better with almost no leakage and rarely any nutsack discomfort. Everyone's body is a little different.

 

[DLD]

Angles are very important when the pump is not getting good vacuum. Some men use the pump upside down because it gives them better vacuum, some use it sideways. You have to be open to trying different ways to get the best method for yourself

 

[arkailija]

Exactly as it's been said about the angles, my choice of words was off in my reply.

As we're all built a bit differently, the angle indeed can be very varied between men. A lot to do how your balls hang and how your pubic bone area is shaped, amount of fat pad etc.etc..
And of course manscaping plays a part! If one is like a hairy beast down there it can be difficult to get a good suction going on.

Wishing you good gains Brother @freal !

 

[freal]

Ahhh thanks for all the support guys!

I have used a cockring on my balls but that only works to an extent.. will try it upside down/the side and see how it goes.
Updates to follow..!

 

[StonerWithABoner]

Yesterday, i had to pay special attention to my ballsack while in the bathmate, because i went harder than usual. Had to tug down on the skin on the front-side of my balls before each pump. I was able to stay in the pump a little longer with no significant discomfort. = bigger harder pumped cock.

Best of luck!

 

[freal]

So I had a bit of an experiment last night:

• tried upside down (with slanted lip up towards me): worked well to begin with, felt like there was increased pressure? Balls trying to get in the way. 3/5
• to the left right: pressure kept breaking. 2/5
• whole package: it's hilarious trying to stuff an already girthyish dick and balls into the pump! Got good suction, but kinda felt it took the focus off my dick if that makes sense (went back to dick only and felt the difference). Plus with balls in felt a bit uncomfortable, something to get used to perhaps?

Should have mentioned in all cases I do pull my balls down out of the way but they seem to get sucked back up again.

So for now I'm going to get a dedicated ball stretcher - nothing too expensive, them silicone doohickeys and see how that plays out. Using a normal cock ring gives me mixed results: my balls seem to pop back out rendering it useless.

@DLD - how do you tie an ace bandage to hold them back?

 

[StonerWithABoner]

Yeah whole package pumping just seems weird and fetishy to me lol. Like you need a leather harness and chaps on to be doing that lmao. To each their own though.

A ball stretcher is a good idea. I'd wear it when NOT pumping, in hopes that it will make a bigger scrotum. A ball stretcher and a penis pump at the same time sounds like some next level shit. but if it does the trick....

 

[REDZULU2003]

I just used to let my balls go in, and go whole package because it was easier then trying to solve the issue with my balls getting sucked into the pump to begin with.

Think it may help with targeting the whole penis, like the inner penis when its all inside.

A wider pump bathmate or mityvac then usual would be needed for it, or you will be singing

 

[arkailija]

Glad to hear you're trying @freal !

Yes, a more dedicated stretcher ring could work but it is indeed quite "fancy" in a way. I've bought some longer sleeve type cockrings and have used those when pumping. Nowadays not so much, it does vary a bit from session to session what I might do. Usually the 5x5x3 or close variation to it, at times sleeves, cockrings etc.. Just making my dick keep guessing.

I've tried few times to do whole package pumping, but the X30 (7) isn't large enough for me. The Penomet isn't so comfortable either for whole package pumping.
I might be doing whole package pumping in the future though, I've been thinking about it for some time now.

Never tried Ace wrap for pretty much anything, except when I tried to wrap for clamping. My hands have capabilities but I failed at that. Thank goodness there are sleeves nowadays!

 

[DLD]

So I had a bit of an experiment last night:

• tried upside down (with slanted lip up towards me): worked well to begin with, felt like there was increased pressure? Balls trying to get in the way. 3/5
• to the left right: pressure kept breaking. 2/5
• whole package: it's hilarious trying to stuff an already girthyish dick and balls into the pump! Got good suction, but kinda felt it took the focus off my dick if that makes sense (went back to dick only and felt the difference). Plus with balls in felt a bit uncomfortable, something to get used to perhaps?

Should have mentioned in all cases I do pull my balls down out of the way but they seem to get sucked back up again.

So for now I'm going to get a dedicated ball stretcher - nothing too expensive, them silicone doohickeys and see how that plays out. Using a normal cock ring gives me mixed results: my balls seem to pop back out rendering it useless.

@DLD - how do you tie an ace bandage to hold them back?

The two things you want to do art of the testicle health massage and stretch found in the newbie routine and you want to learn how to tie back your scrotum with Ace bandage. Stretching your scrotum goes very quickly and with in a month you will no longer be sucked in, as a matter of fact your penis will be home longer in lower than ever. Tying back your scrotum is pretty basic loosen everything up by some light stretching take the ace bandage and wrap it around your scrotum pulling it back towards your ass as you wrap until the entire scrotum is wrapped as far back as possible while Still remaining comfortable.

 

[freal]

So... success!

As mentioned prior I bought a stretchy silicone ball hanger toy and tried with the pump.. top results.

Great suction and vacuum, balls stayed out of the way (if not a little grippy when releasing the pump but not a problem)... and i've noticed with repetitive use the 'turkey neck' effect is going down, giving me that nice separation between dick and balls.

Bring on the gains!

 

[DLD]

I’m glad that you recognize that separation because that separation is so vital to how we hang when we are flaccid. The greater division we can cause at that point the greater your flaccid size will hang. Now it won’t just hang longer but it will also hang heavy since the penis is pointed straight down.

I’m glad the ball modification is working I came up with that one real quick when people are finding that there was too much negative space in their pumps. I remember that night thinking what the heck can I do to rectify this and the stress ball came into mind and it seems like you help so many people since. But since that time the Wine VAC has become the proverbial stress ball. With the Wine VAC you will always get consistent and total vacuum, so it might be something you want to look into. So happy things are going well keep up the good work my brother!