Long road

[Nokdown]

Started stretching/hanging over ten years ago at 5.3/4” haven’t measured girth. Always focused on length. Took some time off cause feeling plateaued. Currently at 7-7.1/4”. Been using lengthmaster which is great, lot of creative ways to stretch. At first I saw gains but only while exercising. I really don’t have a set routine as I just exercise till it feels sore. Over the years I’ve strengthened my unit so I tend do go heavy weight hanging and bundle stretching 10-20 minutes long about 6 sets or so. Use heating pad between sets. And keeping it nicely wrapped basically all the time besides sleeping even though I fall asleep while wrapped but take it off. Trying to rest when I feel it wants to turtle a lot. Feeling stuck though cause I just can’t seem to stretch it past the top of my bellybutton. It’s been at this point for awhile so I don’t think I’m gaining anymore.

 

[oldandlively]

Thanks for the move of the info brother. Alright, let's dive into the root causes.

Started stretching/hanging over ten years ago at 5.3/4” haven’t measured girth. Always focused on length. Took some time off cause feeling plateaued. Currently at 7-7.1/4”.

So, 10+ years go focus on a 1.5in gains. Got it. I'm looking at the 7-71/4" as 7.25in total.

Been using lengthmaster which is great, lot of creative ways to stretch. At first I saw gains but only while exercising. I really don’t have a set routine as I just exercise till it feels sore.

Let's get a clearer picture on this. How long have you been on the Length Master?

Over the years I’ve strengthened my unit so I tend do go heavy weight hanging and bundle stretching 10-20 minutes long about 6 sets or so.

Which exercises have you tackled and at what intensity? Give us the ball park values from when you started with the Length Master and were you saw as a plateaued point.

Use heating pad between sets. And keeping it nicely wrapped basically all the time besides sleeping even though I fall asleep while wrapped but take it off. Trying to rest when I feel it wants to turtle a lot.

Sounds like you've placed the poor thing into too much stress loading through intense workouts. Turtling level is an indicator of how much stress you put it through. How much it turtles is dependent on how much stresses it suffered, causing it to regress to the smaller size for preservation.

Feeling stuck though cause I just can’t seem to stretch it past the top of my bellybutton. It’s been at this point for awhile so I don’t think I’m gaining anymore.

Got it. You're doing an upward stretch right now, and not downwards or sideway? Give us more info on your stretch exercise patterns, the sets, and the intensities. This give us greater info to chew on.

 

[Nokdown]

Thanks for the move of the info brother. Alright, let's dive into the root causes.


So, 10+ years go focus on a 1.5in gains. Got it. I'm looking at the 7-71/4" as 7.25in total.


Let's get a clearer picture on this. How long have you been on the Length Master?


Which exercises have you tackled and at what intensity? Give us the ball park values from when you started with the Length Master and were you saw as a plateaued point.


Sounds like you've placed the poor thing into too much stress loading through intense workouts. Turtling level is an indicator of how much stress you put it through. How much it turtles is dependent on how much stresses it suffered, causing it to regress to the smaller size for preservation.


Got it. You're doing an upward stretch right now, and not downwards or sideway? Give us more info on your stretch exercise patterns, the sets, and the intensities. This give us greater info to chew on.

I’m not doing an upward stretch, I just do that to see if it’s getting past bellybutton. Been using lengthmaster for a few months.

Started new routine today. Hung 25lbs off it for about 10 minutes then lowered weight to 15lbs. Could never do 25lbs with my homemade hanger but lengthmaster is comfortable. Two sets of that then 20 minutes with 15lbs and two sets of twisting bundle stretch downward for 10-15 minutes. Then I tried some pumping to finish it off as I remember you told me to try that awhile back. Masturbation after as things looked good and felt healthy. Feels healthy now as it’s wrapped in elongated state. I’m probably just impatient as always but I’m trying to set a steady routine because I’m always switching it up.

 

[DLD]

You can do awesome stretches upward since you have a lenghtmaster

 

[oldandlively]

I’m not doing an upward stretch, I just do that to see if it’s getting past bellybutton. Been using lengthmaster for a few months.

Got it. Let's give a conservative side and say you did for 4 months.

Started new routine today. Hung 25lbs off it for about 10 minutes then lowered weight to 15lbs. Could never do 25lbs with my homemade hanger but lengthmaster is comfortable. Two sets of that then 20 minutes with 15lbs and two sets of twisting bundle stretch downward for 10-15 minutes. Then I tried some pumping to finish it off as I remember you told me to try that awhile back. Masturbation after as things looked good and felt healthy. Feels healthy now as it’s wrapped in elongated state. I’m probably just impatient as always but I’m trying to set a steady routine because I’m always switching it up.

Yep. Right there is the key to overloading the tissues and continuing to max out the stress loading at the upper range of the penile capacity of soft tissue stressing, which results in rebound effects, the infamous turtling.

Let's break it down in more detail:

For one thing, you gained between 1.25in to 1.5in, or let's give it a boost to 1.65in. You probably got a bit overzealous and went crazy with heavy stretching, thinking you could push even further to get faster gains. This is the worst thing anyone can ever do. When you went too fast, your tissues built a resistance and resilient to the heavy traction force. In the medical world, there are many, many, and I mean many articles warned about PE at too rapid of a pace. 10+ years, and I'm still between 5lbs to 12lbs. 12lbs of force is short burst using my Length Master, and when I do hang, I use 5lbs to 7.5lbs max. I do test up to 25lbs for device integrity purposes for brothers that like to hang heavy, and not for my penis' sake.

This is just my suggestion at the moment, but take a 2 months decon (or simple break). However, during this 2 months of break, still wrap but switch to girth exercises. The logic behind that is to allow the longitudinal tissues have a chance to reset. Some takes as long as 6 months for the decon and max out the tissue rest phases while focus solely on girth, prepping the expansion tissues for the elongation growth down the road. There is a shift, or trade, of girth tissues to length tissues when that happens. If you switch from full girth to length, you'll shift around 30% of the girth gains to length immediately.

Something to think about at this point in time. However, you want to continue with length, let us know.

 

[Nokdown]

Got it. Let's give a conservative side and say you did for 4 months.


Yep. Right there is the key to overloading the tissues and continuing to max out the stress loading at the upper range of the penile capacity of soft tissue stressing, which results in rebound effects, the infamous turtling.

Let's break it down in more detail:

For one thing, you gained between 1.25in to 1.5in, or let's give it a boost to 1.65in. You probably got a bit overzealous and went crazy with heavy stretching, thinking you could push even further to get faster gains. This is the worst thing anyone can ever do. When you went too fast, your tissues built a resistance and resilient to the heavy traction force. In the medical world, there are many, many, and I mean many articles warned about PE at too rapid of a pace. 10+ years, and I'm still between 5lbs to 12lbs. 12lbs of force is short burst using my Length Master, and when I do hang, I use 5lbs to 7.5lbs max. I do test up to 25lbs for device integrity purposes for brothers that like to hang heavy, and not for my penis' sake.

This is just my suggestion at the moment, but take a 2 months decon (or simple break). However, during this 2 months of break, still wrap but switch to girth exercises. The logic behind that is to allow the longitudinal tissues have a chance to reset. Some takes as long as 6 months for the decon and max out the tissue rest phases while focus solely on girth, prepping the expansion tissues for the elongation growth down the road. There is a shift, or trade, of girth tissues to length tissues when that happens. If you switch from full girth to length, you'll shift around 30% of the girth gains to length immediately.

Something to think about at this point in time. However, you want to continue with length, let us know.

Ughhh. That makes so much sense. I’m going to take a break from stretching but when I do come back, what kind of weight should I do? 5-10lbs you think??

 

[Nokdown]

Any good girth exercises besides pumping and jelquing??

 

[oldandlively]

Ughhh. That makes so much sense. I’m going to take a break from stretching but when I do come back, what kind of weight should I do? 5-10lbs you think??

Once you reset, let go from there. Start with 3lbs to test the tissues' tug back effects. We want to slowly add up over time. You can use a quick downward tug at higher tension but no more than minute. The total weight force pulling down should not be more than 10lbs.

Any good girth exercises besides pumping and jelquing??

Unfortunately, that's all you can do. It's the internal vs external effects, like the length pull and tug in all directions.

 

[Nokdown]

Once you reset, let go from there. Start with 3lbs to test the tissues' tug back effects. We want to slowly add up over time. You can use a quick downward tug at higher tension but no more than minute. The total weight force pulling down should not be more than 10lbs.


Unfortunately, that's all you can do. It's the internal vs external effects, like the length pull and tug in all directions.

You really think it’ll take that long?? How will I know when I’m good??

 

[oldandlively]

You really think it’ll take that long?? How will I know when I’m good??

I would do a tug test every 2 to 3 weeks. That is a tug best? Use the Length Master for 5 minutes, doing the BTC with the bundled (twisting), not exceeding more than 6lbs of pull.

1 minute straight down
1 minute bundled BTC one direction
1 minute bundled BTC the other direction
1 minute without bundle BTC
1 minute straight down again to cool down, but the tension should be arond 3lbs

Do light jelqing to get the blood rush into the penis for flaccid conditioning. See how much your penis tries to pull back into the body. The more aggressive the turtling is, the body is still fighting back to preserve itself. If you see barely any turtling, you're ready to go.

 

[Nokdown]

I would do a tug test every 2 to 3 weeks. That is a tug best? Use the Length Master for 5 minutes, doing the BTC with the bundled (twisting), not exceeding more than 6lbs of pull.

1 minute straight down
1 minute bundled BTC one direction
1 minute bundled BTC the other direction
1 minute without bundle BTC
1 minute straight down again to cool down, but the tension should be arond 3lbs

Do light jelqing to get the blood rush into the penis for flaccid conditioning. See how much your penis tries to pull back into the body. The more aggressive the turtling is, the body is still fighting back to preserve itself. If you see barely any turtling, you're ready to go.

Ok what does BTC mean?

 

[oldandlively]

Ok what does BTC mean?

BTC is between the cheeks, or between your butt cheeks. The acronym is also highlighted for you to go straight to the post containing all the info. This is one of the many add-ons we've installed to guide the brothers for faster access to their routines.

 

[DLD]

BTC is between the cheeks, or between your butt cheeks. The acronym is also highlighted for you to go straight to the post containing all the info. This is one of the many add-ons we've installed to guide the brothers for faster access to their routines.

Also realize that BTC is the best stretching position as it truly concentrates on the ligament like no other stretch.

 

[Nokdown]

Do you think legal promote turtling??

 

[Nokdown]

I meant Kegals!!!

 

[oldandlively]

No. Kegel doesn't promote turtling. It actually sustain blood flow. However, you have to balance out the kegel with reverse kegel to maintain the nominal blood pressure at the pelvic region to be diverted to the dorsal region (your penis).

 

[DLD]

As old @oldandlively stated, Kegels only bring more blood into the entire penis and scrotum. The best way to keep turtle-ling at bay by using the ball and lig stretch. This gives great seperation between the base of penis and the scrotum, essentially no more turtle-ling.

 

[oldandlively]

As old @oldandlively stated, Kegels only bring more blood into the entire penis and scrotum. The best way to keep turtle-ling at bay by using the ball and lig stretch. This gives great seperation between the base of penis and the scrotum, essentially no more turtle-ling.

Just out of curiosity, do you recall anyone in the past using scrotal massage using a vibrating seat, or known as shallow shiatsu massage pad with IR heat application?

@Haursen how's your body response using scrapper for the recent days in keeping the penile shaft elongated and plumped?

 

[DLD]

Just out of curiosity, do you recall anyone in the past using scrotal massage using a vibrating seat, or known as shallow shiatsu massage pad with

I did that and it really stimulates the whole experience

 

[oldandlively]

I did that and it really stimulates the whole experience

Man, your wording gives too much imaginary possibilities there, boss. You might want to give us a bit more details on your experiences, minus the sexual stimulation/event

 

[DLD]

Man, your wording gives too much imaginary possibilities there, boss. You might want to give us a bit more details on your experiences, minus the sexual stimulation/event

I used a cheap vibratory to stimulate me with kegels and ball and lig stretch.

 

[Nokdown]

As old @oldandlively stated, Kegels only bring more blood into the entire penis and scrotum. The best way to keep turtle-ling at bay by using the ball and lig stretch. This gives great seperation between the base of penis and the scrotum, essentially no more turtle-ling.

What is the ball and lig stretch exactly??

 

[oldandlively]

What is the ball and lig stretch exactly??

It's part of the Media, and the Resources and Program:

https://mattersofsize.com/media/ball-lig-stretch.489/

 

[DLD]

It's part of the Media, and the Resources and Program:

https://mattersofsize.com/media/ball-lig-stretch.489/

That's a lot of penis!

 

[Nokdown]

Got it

 

[oldandlively]

That's a lot of penis!

From that to now, I think it got a lot more "penis" at this point. Not sure if I'm jealous or I'm in awe. Both probably.

 

[DLD]

From that to now, I think it got a lot more "penis" at this point. Not sure if I'm jealous or I'm in awe. Both probably.

I got 3" after filming these videos. I was about eight and a half inches in the video and today I am, thanks to Monster drinks, I am like a foot long

 

[Haursen]

@Haursen how's your body response using scrapper for the recent days in keeping the penile shaft elongated and plumped?

I used the scrapper to smooth out edema from a new way of pumping I have been experimenting with. The modality helps tremendously to remove the bulging shaft syndrome from extreme air pressure.

 

[Nokdown]

I’m grateful as fuck for this site man. You’ve taught me less is more! I was stuck not gaining cause going heavy heavy heavy just creating a defensive penis. Just resting and doing light btc test stretches as you said I can feel a much healthier unit and it’s looking like it’s ready for gains again. Thanks boys

 

[DLD]

I’m grateful as fuck for this site man. You’ve taught me less is more! I was stuck not gaining cause going heavy heavy heavy just creating a defensive penis. Just resting and doing light btc test stretches as you said I can feel a much healthier unit and it’s looking like it’s ready for gains again. Thanks boys

My God you are so welcome! If there is anything we can do for you let us know.

 

[Nokdown]

Do you guys get your unit hard before pumping? I have a dry pump which works good but just wondering if semi or full erect is best to start? And how many minutes and how intense do y’all brothers of mine recommend??

 

[oldandlively]

Do you guys get your unit hard before pumping? I have a dry pump which works good but just wondering if semi or full erect is best to start? And how many minutes and how intense do y’all brothers of mine recommend??

Whenever we can, yes. Otherwise, get as hard as you can, pump until you hit 4inHg, and get harder. Internal pressure must be as close to 100% as possible.

 

[Nokdown]

4inHg?

 

[DLD]

4inHg?

4hg

 

[oldandlively]

4inHg?

4inHg is a middle ground for an average internal blood pressure for a healthy penis at a fully erected state.

 

[Nokdown]

Is it an acronym though? What does it stand for? Sorry I’m confused

 

[oldandlively]

Is it an acronym though? What does it stand for? Sorry I’m confused

4inHg is merely a short hand number to represent the negative pressure of -4inHg of mercury, or around -102mmHg of mercury, depending on the scale of devices.

The true starting point of penile growth starts at around -5inHg, or -127mmHg. This is where MOST penises' collagenic bonds experience a continuous breakdown for regrowth while pumping. SLOWLY, we work towards -10inHg for the most optimal growth rate. That is months, if not close to a year down the road. Once we go past -10inHg, and stay well below -14inHg, this is a magical growth zone we have to carefully enter. Going too fast into this zone because we are desperate will cause our penises to break, and die. This is the fact.

 

[Nokdown]

Wow you guys are the penis gurus for sure! RESPECT . How do I know when I’m at that point??

 

[oldandlively]

Wow you guys are the penis gurus for sure! RESPECT . How do I know when I’m at that point??

After learning the basic info, consider yourself an intermediate veteran. Once you reached your gains, consider yourself a guru.

 

[Nokdown]

After learning the basic info, consider yourself an intermediate veteran. Once you reached your gains, consider yourself a guru.

I meant how do I know when I’m at that point when pumping? And how long do I hold it? How many sets?

 

[oldandlively]

If you are using a pump without a gauge, like a Bathmate, as you are fully erect while pumping, there is no sensation of your penis is being expanded. That can be anywhere between 3inHg to 4.5inHg (low pressure zone). When you start to feel your penis is being tugged or being forced to expand, that can range between 4inHg to 6inHg (moderate pressure zone). When you start to feel the pressure forcing the pennis to expand nearly reaching an uncomfortable feeling without tingling pain, you are at high pressure zone. Any more is dangerous for you at the moment. That high pressure zone can be anywhere between 5inHg to 8inHg. This is why it's critical to know your pressure at all time.

 

[Nokdown]

Ok. I usually go to where it gets to be kinda painful and then back it off a bit. I have a dry pump which has a purge button to release pressure. How long should I hold a pump and how many sets do you think I should do??

 

[oldandlively]

Ok. I usually go to where it gets to be kinda painful and then back it off a bit. I have a dry pump which has a purge button to release pressure. How long should I hold a pump and how many sets do you think I should do??

Nope.It should not be anywhere near painful. That is one way to break your penis.

Base on the SRT, it depends where you are and what you do. Most static pressures remain for 60 seconds tops. Dynamic pressures remain between 30 to 60 seconds.

 

[DLD]

SRT is the most powerful way forward. I am working on SRT light for those who feel SRT too much. you can literally cut SRT in half until your ready for SRT total routine.

 

[Nokdown]

What’s a squash jelq?

 

[DLD]

It's in videos under SRT

 

[oldandlively]

What’s a squash jelq?

https://mattersofsize.com/media/slow-squash-jelq-ssj.472/

 

[DLD]

Thanks @oldandlively

 

[Nokdown]

Is all turtling mean you’ve over worked it? I mean some turtling has to be good right?? Just need to rest it right?? Like a muscle

 

[oldandlively]

Is all turtling mean you’ve over worked it?

Not all turtling is bad. Turtling on a warm day is an indicator you overstressed it. Turtling on a cold day is normal. Turtling completely inside your body like it's a tiny little mushroom is bad..very bad. That's preservation mode as it placed itself into extreme healing period.

I mean some turtling has to be good right??

Yes. A typical turtling is about 30% of the total penile flaccid state.

Just need to rest it right?? Like a muscle

Bingo. Don't worry so much about turtling to the point you go bald. Just wrap it up gently and allow the blood to flow.