Help - Break Through Wall

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thedoug

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I wanted to ask @DLD for advice on moving past a wall I think I hit. Below is my routine:

-Morning
Warmup: hot shower or heating pad
Exercise:
1) Newbie Length Master routine
2) Ace bandage wrap for 4-6 hours (I work from home)

-Night
Bathmate:
5 sessions of 3 minutes with a 1-2 minute rest between

Clothes:
I wear boxers or no underwear when possible. I wear gym shorts or sweat pants a lot.

Backstory:
I did the above routine, PLUS jelqing, for 3 months, about 5 months ago, and was able to gain .75 inches of length and .5 in
girth. I needed to take a break and have been back at it for about 4 weeks now, following the above routine. I stopped jelqing
because even if I jelq softly, I get a lot of dark red discoloration that takes 3 days to go away.

Question:
Have I hit a wall?
Is the above routine adequate to see more gains?
If not, what more would I need to add?
 
I like the routine, but have a question regarding your Bathmate...is it modded w/The Vacuvin or is it an Extreme model? The reason I ask is that I've made most of my gains via my modded X40. My best results came from always upping the intensity and entering/maintaining the highest EQ possible for the duration.
 
Big Schwanz Acht said:
I like the routine, but have a question regarding your Bathmate...is it modded w/The Vacuvin or is it an Extreme model? The reason I ask is that I've made most of my gains via my modded X40. My best results came from always upping the intensity and entering/maintaining the highest EQ possible for the duration.
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How did you obtain the highest EQ?
 
Big Schwanz Acht said:
I like the routine, but have a question regarding your Bathmate...is it modded w/The Vacuvin or is it an Extreme model? The reason I ask is that I've made most of my gains via my modded X40. My best results came from always upping the intensity and entering/maintaining the highest EQ possible for the duration.
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It’s the HYDROMAX9.
 
Yes, the name changed but modifying it can be done. :) (And when BSA made his purchase, it was the X40 ...)

If you don't have the Vacu-Vin, I do suggest purchasing one. If you've been in the game for a moment now, it could be the needed adjustment for more gains.
Adding intensity and force over time.

And definitely try the 5x5x3 routine, your routine looks a bit like it, but I think you could increase the time. And especially add Slow Squash Jelqs. I haven't had dotting issues with the SSJs.
 
Congratulations on the gains you have made in the past that should give you plenty of confidence that you can gain more. When you say you’re doing the Lengthmaster newbie routine can you give me a link to which one? Also the way you are using your bathNate Routine can be done much better by following the instructions in SRT, The 5×5×3 work out. You’ll also find many tips on gaining and healing in the SRT thread so please read through it when you get a chance and any questions you have just ask.
 
DLD said:
Congratulations on the gains you have made in the past that should give you plenty of confidence that you can gain more. When you say you’re doing the Lengthmaster newbie routine can you give me a link to which one? Also the way you are using your bathNate Routine can be done much better by following the instructions in SRT, The 5×5×3 work out. You’ll also find many tips on gaining and healing in the SRT thread so please read through it when you get a chance and any questions you have just ask.
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First off, thanks for the reply and the information that led to the gains I’ve already achieved.

Second, below is the routine I follow/ed:
5 mins of bundle stretches after warmup shower or heating pad.
Behind The Cheeks to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Right: 30-seconds x 3

Straight Down to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Out to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Up to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

I jumped over the the SRT link and checked out the 5x5x3 routine. I am concerned that I will get a lot of discoloring due to it happening with lite jelqing.

I have a history of working out and know that a certain amount of effort can get you so far but to get to the next level takes a ton more effort and time. With the structure of my life in this season, I am only able to give an hour or so (the time it takes to do the routine in my first post). I am curious to know, in your opinion, if the routine I posted is adequate enough to continue to see gains and if it is just a matter of patience. I am willing to try the 5x5x3 but am nervous it will take me out for a handful of days to recover from the dark red spotting that may occur.

Essentially, I am ready to accept I have hit my limit with the gains I can achieve based on the time I can dedicate.

Again, @DLD , I appreciate you taking the time to respond and help.
 
The red spots will go away after a few days, and once you become used to doing that type of girth work, they will become a thing of the past.

Red spots will indeed comeback once you use more intensity then before, your dealing with allot of blood with girth work, but its something all PE'ers have to come to terms with, part and parcel of penis enlargement.

Unless you really cannot stand them for a few days, I suggest you go with it.

Responding to the above post, yes certain amount of effort gets you so far, but its not so much using more time to go further, but its about intensity over time. If you did certain types of penis enlargement like jelqing [girth work] with low intensity, you wont get much back ... it needs to be high intensity.

Extenders for example are a different kettle of fish, they use low levels of force to stretch the penis over many hours, this works because its in a prolonged enlarged extended level then it usually would be, but if that force was something very high, the penis could not be extended for so long, and hence why hanging is used in that slot for penis enlargement.

You got a good routine, and I want you to use good form, high intensity on those stretches.

When you use the bathmate, ensure your at a good level of erection the entire time, yes it will still work if you use flaccid, but its always best to use when erect as possible for best results.

Also my friend, think about purchasing from Amazon for example these scales that can measure force when using the lengthmaster


Anymore questions, please fire away.

I may not be DLD, but I been in the penis enlargement game since 2001 :)
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
The red spots will go away after a few days, and once you become used to doing that type of girth work, they will become a thing of the past.

Red spots will indeed comeback once you use more intensity then before, your dealing with allot of blood with girth work, but its something all PE'ers have to come to terms with, part and parcel of penis enlargement.

Unless you really cannot stand them for a few days, I suggest you go with it.

Responding to the above post, yes certain amount of effort gets you so far, but its not so much using more time to go further, but its about intensity over time. If you did certain types of penis enlargement like jelqing [girth work] with low intensity, you wont get much back ... it needs to be high intensity.

Extenders for example are a different kettle of fish, they use low levels of force to stretch the penis over many hours, this works because its in a prolonged enlarged extended level then it usually would be, but if that force was something very high, the penis could not be extended for so long, and hence why hanging is used in that slot for penis enlargement.

You got a good routine, and I want you to use good form, high intensity on those stretches.

When you use the bathmate, ensure your at a good level of erection the entire time, yes it will still work if you use flaccid, but its always best to use when erect as possible for best results.

Also my friend, think about purchasing from Amazon for example these scales that can measure force when using the lengthmaster


Anymore questions, please fire away.

I may not be DLD, but I been in the penis enlarhement game since 2001 :)
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Thanks for the reply. I value you’re advice and experience. I am not comfortable with having a good amount of red spots on my penis. Last night I tried the 5x5x3 and a lot of red spots showed up. Also, afterwards the skin was really tender.

On the topic of measuring the force while using the length master, I use as much force as I can. At a certain point there is a sharp pain in the head of my penis, I’m guessing the trapped blood is causing this. At that point, I back off a bit.

During the early days of doing PE, I was able to do relatively intense jelqs. I remember there was a session where I went a bit too intense and a lot of red spots showed up. Eversense that session, even lite jelling causes painful red spots. I did some reading and found out that I may have exploded the two way values in the blood vessels. That being said, I am concerned with the health of my penis if it is in a constant state of being covered in red spots. I apologize if I come across difficult. I am just not comfortable with it.

I am open to trying to modify my bathmate. When I do use it, i max out how much pressure I can achieve as it is fully pressed against my body. A person above mentioned getting a Vacu-Vin to add to my bathmate. Is there a link on how to undertake this modification?
 
Modification clarification.
About the modding. There are several threads, just tooting my own horn here for once.

If you're able to find the spot where the sharp pain is near, do back up before or remain at that point. Of course sometimes those sharp twinges can occur but in my mind I would see it's possible to learn the highest threshold you can comfortably (or with mild discomfort) muster.

Red dots suck and I do hope that there's nothing wrong in total.
A difficult topic in medical field, on both accounts. Patient might know a whole lot but can't do certain things that might relieve the issue and then again doctors might not know or flatline curse you or equivalent.

Hopefully the issues pass away soon!
You can try 3x3x3, as in less minutes and then build up the time when it feels right.
 
The red spots go away though, with regular practice of the exercise they become less and less.

If you indeed want girth, this is something you will need to get comfortable with, and wherever you found
exploded the two way values in the blood vessels
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is just ridiculous, and clearly they know very little, if anything about how penis enlargement works, or indeed anatomy.

Its burst capillaries, and they are just beneath the skin, no valves burst.
 
thedoug said:
First off, thanks for the reply and the information that led to the gains I’ve already achieved.

Second, below is the routine I follow/ed:
5 mins of bundle stretches after warmup shower or heating pad.
Behind The Cheeks to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Right: 30-seconds x 3

Straight Down to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Out to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Up to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

I jumped over the the SRT link and checked out the 5x5x3 routine. I am concerned that I will get a lot of discoloring due to it happening with lite jelqing.

I have a history of working out and know that a certain amount of effort can get you so far but to get to the next level takes a ton more effort and time. With the structure of my life in this season, I am only able to give an hour or so (the time it takes to do the routine in my first post). I am curious to know, in your opinion, if the routine I posted is adequate enough to continue to see gains and if it is just a matter of patience. I am willing to try the 5x5x3 but am nervous it will take me out for a handful of days to recover from the dark red spotting that may occur.

Essentially, I am ready to accept I have hit my limit with the gains I can achieve based on the time I can dedicate.

Again, @DLD , I appreciate you taking the time to respond and help.
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Never a problem my brother, that’s why am here and that’s what I love to do. Are you saying that you’re accepting that you made all the gains you can or you’re accepting that the current routine will no longer give you gains?
 
DLD said:
Never a problem my brother, that’s why am here and that’s what I love to do. Are you saying that you’re accepting that you made all the gains you can or you’re accepting that the current routine will no longer give you gains?
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Kinda both. I am saying that I will accept the fact that the routine I can and have done (due to time constraints and uneasiness to do intense jelqs) has reached its limit on the gains it can yield. I do like doing to routine but am not up to continue if I won’t see anymore gains. If in fact though you think the routine will produce more gains, I will continue and just be more patient.
 
thedoug said:
Kinda both. I am saying that I will accept the fact that the routine I can and have done (due to time constraints and uneasiness to do intense jelqs) has reached its limit on the gains it can yield. I do like doing to routine but am not up to continue if I won’t see anymore gains. If in fact though you think the routine will produce more gains, I will continue and just be more patient.
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My theory on when to change your routine is if you have gone 30 days without games. And this is why I tell people that you need to make two measurements that are on official. The first measurement is post workout girth and the second measurement is flaccid stretched bone pressed length. Although these measurements are not official they will tell you if you are making gains with your current routine. In that case it becomes important to change the routine and this can be done in many ways. What exactly are you doing right now and how long have you been with this routine? I will help you write a new routine that you will definitely gain with, have no worries.
 
DLD said:
My theory on when to change your routine is if you have gone 30 days without games. And this is why I tell people that you need to make two measurements that are on official. The first measurement is post workout girth and the second measurement is flaccid stretched bone pressed length. Although these measurements are not official they will tell you if you are making gains with your current routine. In that case it becomes important to change the routine and this can be done in many ways. What exactly are you doing right now and how long have you been with this routine? I will help you write a new routine that you will definitely gain with, have no worries.
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This is my routine:

-Morning
Warmup: hot shower or heating pad
Exercise:
1) Newbie Length Master routine:

Behind The Cheeks to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Right: 30-seconds x 3

Straight Down to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Out to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Up to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

2) Ace bandage wrap for 4-6 hours (I work from home)

-Night
Bathmate :
5 sessions of 3 minutes with a 1-2 minute rest between

Clothes:
I wear boxers or no underwear when possible. I wear gym shorts or sweat pants a lot.

I have been doing the above routine for 3 weeks. I am willing to be very thorough and take measurements and then go for 30 days and then report back.
 
thedoug said:
This is my routine:

-Morning
Warmup: hot shower or heating pad
Exercise:
1) Newbie Length Master routine:

Behind The Cheeks to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Right: 30-seconds x 3

Straight Down to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Out to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Up to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

2) Ace bandage wrap for 4-6 hours (I work from home)

-Night
Bathmate :
5 sessions of 3 minutes with a 1-2 minute rest between

Clothes:
I wear boxers or no underwear when possible. I wear gym shorts or sweat pants a lot.

I have been doing the above routine for 3 weeks. I am willing to be very thorough and take measurements and then go for 30 days and then report back.
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Let’s do that because this routine looks really good. So take official measurements today or soon as possible and then let’s see what happens after four weeks.
 
DLD said:
And from this point foward let’s be sure to keep extra precise measurements so when we do a future measurement it is on point. Be sure to measure everything! Here is the guide from the members section which is now made open to the public.

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Day 1 measurements

Bone Pressed Erect Length

7.5

Penis Erect Circumference

5.5



Bone Pressed Flaccid Stretch

8.25

Penis Flaccid Circumference

4.75



Non Bone Press Erect Length

6.5

Non Bone Press Flaccid Length

4
 
REDZULU2003 said:
The red spots go away though, with regular practice of the exercise they become less and less.

If you indeed want girth, this is something you will need to get comfortable with, and wherever you found is just ridiculous, and clearly they know very little, if anything about how penis enlargement works, or indeed anatomy.

Its burst capillaries, and they are just beneath the skin, no valves burst.
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I searched through the SRT link and saw that hydrocortisone is the cream of choice for red spots. Is that what you guys suggest @DLD ?
 
thedoug said:
I searched through the SRT link and saw that hydrocortisone is the cream of choice for red spots. Is that what you guys suggest @DLD ?
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Get yourself a tube of hydrocortisone and also get yourself a tube of bacitracin between these two you will have a very healthy skin was no more issues. Use the hydrocorisone after each workout for healthy skin and use bacitracin if there’s ever an open cut, sore or skin burn.
 
I’m think it’s time to call it. It’s been two weeks and I have seen no changes in length, either BPEL or BPFSL. Prior to posting here I did about four weeks of this routine for a total of six weeks. On the bright side I have seen a .25 inch change in girth which I think is from me switching to three 5 minute bathmate pump sessions. @DLD , what new routine were you thinking of that would help me get more length gains?
 
thedoug said:
I’m think it’s time to call it. It’s been two weeks and I have seen no changes in length, either BPEL or BPFSL. Prior to posting here I did about four weeks of this routine for a total of six weeks. On the bright side I have seen a .25 inch change in girth which I think is from me switching to three 5 minute bathmate pump sessions. @DLD , what new routine were you thinking of that would help me get more length gains?
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What are you doing right now for an length routine?
 
DLD said:
What are you doing right now for an length routine?
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5 mins of bundle stretches after warmup shower or heating pad.
Behind The Cheeks to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Behind The Cheeks to the Right: 30-seconds x 3

Straight Down to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Down Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Out to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Out Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks

Straight Up to the Left: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Center: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up to the Right: 30-seconds x 3
Straight Up Rotary Stretches : 25-Cranks
 
your length routine looks 'spot-on', perhaps up the intensity of each exercise? Once you're finished, try to heal/rest in an elongated state. Pay particular notice to the quality of your EQ...don't worry about any fatigue, this is a good sign of growth.
PE is essentially basic physics (leverage)...how much force will it take to move an object? The variables are infinite, but the science is simple. Stick with it and your body will have no choice but to comply
 
And you’re doing all this by hand and you’re using as much intensity as you can? If this is the case and you’re not growing I highly recommend you pick up a Lengthmaster. Some men just can’t stretch with the intensity they need and the Lengthmaster delivers so much intensity you’ll have to back off. Someone can see up to an inch gain and links within six months using only the LM. Simply continue doing the stretches you’re doing using the Lengthmaster
 
DLD said:
And you’re doing all this by hand and you’re using as much intensity as you can? If this is the case and you’re not growing I highly recommend you pick up a Lengthmaster. Some men just can’t stretch with the intensity they need and the Lengthmaster delivers so much intensity you’ll have to back off. Someone can see up to an inch gain and links within six months using only the LM. Simply continue doing the stretches you’re doing using the Lengthmaster
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I have been using the Length master the whole time
 
thedoug said:
I have been using the Length master the whole time
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I think what we need to do in this case is change the exercises and the routine. Give me a little bit and I will write you up a custom lengthmaster routine. I wrote one the other day for someone else and I’ll try to modify that for you. Because if you’re not gaining now it has to be the exercises or the intensity. How long can you dedicate to a routine each day?
 
DLD said:
I think what we need to do in this case is change the exercises and the routine. Give me a little bit and I will write you up a custom lengthmaster routine. I wrote one the other day for someone else and I’ll try to modify that for you. Because if you’re not gaining now it has to be the exercises or the intensity. How long can you dedicate to a routine each day?
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I appreciate your attentiveness and willingness to help but I’m going to take a break for a while. Again, thank you for your help, responses and support. ?
 
Thing is with anykind of PE, you need to use some intensity somewhere down the line, and it will feel uncomfortable. For example I do expressive stretching with the LM, and its VERY uncomfortable indeed, try doing 20-30 mins straight of those in several sets lasting minutes each hold ... but it isn't going to be easy, if it were, then anyone, and everyone would be doing it.
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
Thing is with anykind of PE, you need to use some intensity somewhere down the line, and it will feel uncomfortable. For example I do expressive stretching with the LM, and its VERY uncomfortable indeed, try doing 20-30 mins straight of those in several sets lasting minutes each hold ... but it isn't going to be easy, if it were, then anyone, and everyone would be doing it.
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In PE we need to get used to many things. Comfort is not usually expected when training hard. It’s not comfortable to do certain exercises but it’s necessary. Discomfort is much different than pain and that should be clearly established. As Red said using the LM to do expressive stretching is not comfortable but it’s necessary to bringing out internal penis. Progressive intensity will always be a part of any gainers routine.
 
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