Question Girth question (- Will semi-erected bundles be enough?)

[squirt_inducer_man]

Hello! @limpeh
I moved this question here, because I do not want my video thread ( SIM's videos and instructions) to be filled with to much randomness.
But I appreciate your question, it's an important question to be answered. I will do my best to explain. Let's also have a discussion about this.

for the sole purpose of gaining girth (i gain length too easily), would bundling while semi erect but without stretching be enough?

How easy do you gain length? (just kidding).
Short answer on your question: It would not be enough.

If you want girth gains and not length gains, you should only be focusing on girth work.
Doing bundles with a semi-erected penis would not be effective or fun, you risk hurting yourself.
If you do not have a pump (get one), SSJ's (Slow Squash Jelq's) is the exercise you want to do. A pump will really speed up your gains.

Preferably you want to do this program down below with a wide pump, see (*).
You do not want your penis to smash hard (expand hard) into the cylinder walls, because that will force your penis to start expanding more in length then in girth (your penis have only one way to expand into), so then you would in fact be working on length with a pump. You can view the expansion of your penis like a balloon. When in a pump, you force more expansion so your penis will expand both in girth and length.

From my experiences with Bathmate pumps, I only started to expand more in length when I had maxed out the width/girth of the cylinder. And maxing out the width is a good feeling, but you do not want that if you're working on girth only. You need to expand past your current Erected Girth ( the measurement outside the pump, with some days rest), in order for you to increase your Erected Girth and cement it to be bigger in the future. With repetitions it will happen.

It's a good idea to get a cylinder that is a little too big in diameter, then what you think you would need when your main goal is to increase your girth.
If you are over 5 Inch in EG (Erected Girth) I would suggest that you get a 2.5 Inch wide cylinder (diameter).

I can help you size out a cylinder if you need help with that.

(*)

Girth Program: 5x5x3
5 Minute Slow Squash Jelq (video below)
5 Minutes in the Bathmate or MityVac at full intensity

5 Minute Slow Squash Jelq (video below)
5 Minutes in the Bathmate or MityVac at full intensity

5 Minute Slow Squash Jelq (video below)
5 Minutes in the Bathmate or MityVac at full intensity

Attach SilliRing to retain girth

Hope this helps brother.

 

[limpeh]

Hello! @limpeh
I moved this question here, because I do not want my video thread ( SIM's videos and instructions) to be filled with to much randomness.
But I appreciate your question, it's an important question to be answered. I will do my best to explain. Let's also have a discussion about this.


How easy do you gain length? (just kidding).
Short answer on your question: It would not be enough.

If you want girth gains and not length gains, you should only be focusing on girth work.
Doing bundles with a semi-erected penis would not be effective or fun, you risk hurting yourself.
If you do not have a pump (get one), SSJ's (Slow Squash Jelq's) is the exercise you want to do. A pump will really speed up your gains.

Preferably you want to do this program down below with a wide pump, see (*).
You do not want your penis to smash hard (expand hard) into the cylinder walls, because that will force your penis to start expanding more in length then in girth (your penis have only one way to expand into), so then you would in fact be working on length with a pump. You can view the expansion of your penis like a balloon. When in a pump, you force more expansion so your penis will expand both in girth and length.

From my experiences with Bathmate pumps, I only started to expand more in length when I had maxed out the width/girth of the cylinder. And maxing out the width is a good feeling, but you do not want that if you're working on girth only. You need to expand past your current Erected Girth ( the measurement outside the pump, with some days rest), in order for you to increase your Erected Girth and cement it to be bigger in the future. With repetitions it will happen.

It's a good idea to get a cylinder that is a little too big in diameter, then what you think you would need when your main goal is to increase your girth.
If you are over 5 Inch in EG (Erected Girth) I would suggest that you get a 2.5 Inch wide cylinder (diameter).

I can help you size out a cylinder if you need help with that.

(*)


Hope this helps brother.

thanks for the explanation man. the reason i say it's easy for me to gain length is cuz i intend to stop at 18cm. when i started, my bpel was maybe around 11-12cm, today it's 14cm+. i've been doing slow squash jelq (tried all angles before) & pumping, but they weren't effective as the lower part of my shaft is very stubborn. at this rate, i'll continue to be thickening the upper shaft only while having a thin lower shaft. the only expansion i feel is the pull of upper shaft below the glands, which lead to length gain, & i feel this a lot in bathmate. my erected girth is 2 inch in diameter while my mitivac pump is 2.25 inch in diameter. if i use the 2 inch cylinder, i'll expand onto the wall of the cylinders.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

thanks for the explanation man. the reason i say it's easy for me to gain length is cuz i intend to stop at 18cm. when i started, my bpel was maybe around 11-12cm, today it's 14cm+. i've been doing slow squash jelq (tried all angles before) & pumping, but they weren't effective as the lower part of my shaft is very stubborn. at this rate, i'll continue to be thickening the upper shaft only while having a thin lower shaft. the only expansion i feel is the pull of upper shaft below the glands, which lead to length gain, & i feel this a lot in bathmate. my erected girth is 2 inch in diameter while my mitivac pump is 2.25 inch in diameter. if i use the 2 inch cylinder, i'll expand onto the wall of the cylinders.

No problem I understand.
Good work brother. I think it's strong of you to stop at 18 cm. Really strong to not get obsessed with it, like I have.

I believe I remember now. You tried to force expansion with a clamp?

Have you tried Bathmate without comfort insert and pumping to really high pressure. I'm sorry if you have told me about it before, but I have so much in my head now.

I removed the comfort insert in the beginning and I got insane expansion at the lower part of my penis after a while. It will not be comfortable. Have you tried hydro-pumping with MityVac. I have always felt like with water pumping you can force a lot more expansion, even If you get more fluid retention.

You had a wide Bathmate right? HydroXtreme Wide Boy 7 or HydroXtreme 9?

If so just force it get near the limit pressure wise slowly, and when your timer have counted down to 5 minute you have the most absolute pressure buildup. Do you expand into the rubber creases in the Bathmate without the comfort insert?

If you want to use the MityVac you probably need a wider. cylinder.

I tried to cover everything. I'm super tired so maybe I missed aome angle here. But let's figure this out.
Did you do bundled stretches to get your lemgth increase?

 

[limpeh]

No problem I understand.
Good work brother. I think it's strong of you to stop at 18 cm. Really strong to not get obsessed with it, like I have.

I believe I remember now. You tried to force expansion with a clamp?

Have you tried Bathmate without comfort insert and pumping to really high pressure. I'm sorry if you have told me about it before, but I have so much in my head now.

I removed the comfort insert in the beginning and I got insane expansion at the lower part of my penis after a while. It will not be comfortable. Have you tried hydro-pumping with MityVac. I have always felt like with water pumping you can force a lot more expansion, even If you get more fluid retention.

You had a wide Bathmate right? HydroXtreme Wide Boy 7 or HydroXtreme 9?

If so just force it get near the limit pressure wise slowly, and when your timer have counted down to 5 minute you have the most absolute pressure buildup. Do you expand into the rubber creases in the Bathmate without the comfort insert?

If you want to use the MityVac you probably need a wider. cylinder.

I tried to cover everything. I'm super tired so maybe I missed aome angle here. But let's figure this out.
Did you do bundled stretches to get your lemgth increase?

no worries man. i can't proceed with bathmate (xtreme 7, already removed comfort pad) as for some weird reason bathmate really amplify the burn in the slight peyronie area. i can't go full pressure on mitivac cuz of this too. my concerns is also if i go full pressure, will it continue to only amplify the upper shaft, cuz i don't feel any burn in the lower shaft but only my upper shaft (especially the slight peyronie area). i'm trying to stretch my ball sack to even the length of foreskin between both side hoping to solve the slight peyronie, but nothing happened so far. for context, my left shaft is slightly longer cuz the foreskin meet the skin of the scrotum at the lower end compared to the right. if i go wider cylinder for mitivac, i'm gonna suck in my balls at this rate instead of being able to pump higher pressure. hence i'm thinking of bundle stretch but without the stretch. the other alternative i can think of is perhaps buy a tapered (pyramid) cylinder?

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

tapered (pyramid) cylinder?

What is that?

But what is the expansion of your penis inside the tube. Is the expansion uneven? Do you not get any expansion at the base?

I understand about the Bathmate. I think I will not continue with using them, becouse the gator is a really mean beast.

Yes the scrotum can be suced in. I did try a session with my cheep air pump today, it's 2.5 or maybe 2.6 Inch diameter. I tied a bandage around my scrotum, and then put my bottom on the remaining bandge, in that way I could keep a pulling force on my scrotum and preventing the scrotum from being sucked in. But it was beingsucked in a little bit.

peyronie area

So you have, some plaque on the shaft?
Have you considered non invasive treatment for it. Maybe that's the problem?

 

[limpeh]

What is that?

But what is the expansion of your penis inside the tube. Is the expansion uneven? Do you not get any expansion at the base?

I understand about the Bathmate. I think I will not continue with using them, becouse the gator is a really mean beast.

Yes the scrotum can be suced in. I did try a session with my cheep air pump today, it's 2.5 or maybe 2.6 Inch diameter. I tied a bandage around my scrotum, and then put my bottom on the remaining bandge, in that way I could keep a pulling force on my scrotum and preventing the scrotum from being sucked in. But it was beingsucked in a little bit.


So you have, some plaque on the shaft?
Have you considered non invasive treatment for it. Maybe that's the problem?

there's no point in treatment as the culprint is cuz if you look at the base of my penis, the left foreskin that joins the scrotum sits lower than the right. so the left shaft is longer cuz of this. till i can lengthen the skin on the right, no amount of treatment will work as long as i still wanna pump.

the expansion is all even under pressure. but i feel burn in the upper shaft, not the lower. after exiting the pump, it's always the left side that get worked more. so my lower shaft is underworked already, the right lower side is even more so compared to the left. or else, i don't mind the gator. i dislike the fact that as i increase pressure, only the upper shaft, especially the left, feel the burn only. that's where i got my length gains from, from bathmate initially (hydro), when in fact it was supposed to help me gain even girth. now i only have less than 4cm before i hit 18cm.

a tapered cylinder is where the top part of the cylinder is smaller, giving the cylinder a pyramid look.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I think you attach the wrong photo?

 

[limpeh]

I think you attach the wrong photo?

that's frustrating lol as i've previously deleted that. let me reupload here:

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

When I pump with an air pump (the cylinder looks similar to yours) the upper part at the glans burn as you say, but there is no burning at the base. But there is much expansion. I don't believe it should burn in your entire penis.

Is this what is happening for you as well? Or do you get no expansion at the base?

if you look at the base of my penis

Have no means to do this.

now i only have less than 4cm before i hit 18cm

You may need to go past and/or implement a maintenance program in order to cement

 

[limpeh]

When I pump with an air pump (the cylinder looks similar to yours) the upper part at the glans burn as you say, but there is no burning at the base. But there is much expansion. I don't believe it should burn in your entire penis.

Is this what is happening for you as well? Or do you get no expansion at the base?


Have no means to do this.


You may need to go past and/or implement a maintenance program in order to cement

like i said, i have no prob gaining length & i have less than 4cm to achieve my desired length. concerns is can i build up enough girth before i hit that length. cuz i don't wanna shoot past 18cm & not gain much girth.

i see. i saw people on R3dd1t said it burns their base when they pump. i only got expansion during pumping, no burn at base, but after pumping, it's only the upper shaft that's getting thicker & longer.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Do bundled stretches before girthwork and really loosen up the tissue with heat as well. Sit and stand in front a heating fan. Don't matter if you're living in a warm country, you want to really soften up your tissue with heat and bundled manipulation. This needs to be your warmup if you have problems with expansion. You need to make everything soft before girthwork.

 

[DLD]

Do bundled stretches before girthwork and really loosen up the tissue with heat as well. Sit and stand in front a heating fan. Don't matter if you're living in a warm country, you want to really soften up your tissue with heat and bundled manipulation. This needs to be your warmup if you have problems with expansion. You need to make everything soft before girthwork.

 

[limpeh]

Do bundled stretches before girthwork and really loosen up the tissue with heat as well. Sit and stand in front a heating fan. Don't matter if you're living in a warm country, you want to really soften up your tissue with heat and bundled manipulation. This needs to be your warmup if you have problems with expansion. You need to make everything soft before girthwork.

ok. for the heating fan, what would you recommend? any specific type or heat levels?

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

ok. for the heating fan, what would you recommend? any specific type or heat levels?

I can't recommend one specific one due to the rules of this forum. But a small one made for cars with high air flow. MOS-RED would be very helpful as well for you. With these kind of wavelength you will get really good benefits as well.

This is one of the reasons for MOS-RED.
QUOTE from MOS Store.

MOSRED is an independent dual 660nm/850nm system that heals both skin coloration, wrinkles, veins, etc. and builds collagen to repair tissue, joint and muscle pain . You can perform treatments individually or combined with our dual unit.

 

[limpeh]

I can't recommend one specific one due to the rules of this forum. But a small one made for cars with high air flow. MOS-RED would be very helpful as well for you. With these kind of wavelength you will get really good benefits as well.

This is one of the reasons for MOS-RED.
QUOTE from MOS Store.

duly noted

 

[kriskros]

I am sorry but @squirt_inducer_man if I understood well, 5 mins of bundled stretches with an immediate warm-up with MOSRED will help before a girth-routine?

 

[DLD]

I am sorry but @squirt_inducer_man if I understood well, 5 mins of bundled stretches with an immediate warm-up with MOSRED will help before a girth-routine?

In my opinion this is smart. Loosening everything before girth will bring much better growth

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I am sorry but @squirt_inducer_man if I understood well, 5 mins of bundled stretches with an immediate warm-up with MOSRED will help before a girth-routine?

Do this in front of a car interior heater with high airflow, and a tiny whining fan.
You need high heat and airflow in order to penetrate into your penis and inner penis.
MOS RED I only use as a device to heal and grow faster after session (15 minutes).

https://mattersofsize.com/media/get...cheeks-position-with-the-lengthmaster-3.1654/

Also read the video instruction link.

 

[kriskros]

Do this in front of a car interior heater with high airflow, and a tiny whining fan.
You need high heat and airflow in order to penetrate into your penis and inner penis.
MOS RED I only use as a device to heal and grow faster after session (15 minutes).

https://mattersofsize.com/media/get...cheeks-position-with-the-lengthmaster-3.1654/

Also read the video instruction link.

can I achieve this you are saying with MOSRED? 10 or 15 mins?

 

[kriskros]

In my opinion this is smart. Loosening everything before girth will bring much better growth

Okay, if you say that, I will try - If it is better than just doing the girth routine alone.

 

[DLD]

Okay, if you say that, I will try - If it is better than just doing the girth routine alone.

Give it a shot and let me know how it goes

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

can I achieve this you are saying with MOSRED? 10 or 15 mins?

Not really. You need to be so close to MOSRED in order to get the heat penetration that I'm talking about.
As I said, in my mind MOSRED is for after session. Because you need to be close to it in order for it to have any effect.

You could also do 15 minutes MOSRED treatment first, and then do this warmup with LengthMaster 3, but then you need to make sure that your room temperature is really warm. I recommend that your room temperature is at: ~30°C/86°F.

You will kill your sperm (temporary), with the heating fan method, but you will gain fast when your tissue (penis + inner penis) are really heated up, before, after and during session. This is the reason I prefer to pump with hot/warm water (don't burn yourself).

 

[kriskros]

Not really. You need to be so close to MOSRED in order to get the heat penetration that I'm talking about.
As I said, in my mind MOSRED is for after session. Because you need to be close to it in order for it to have any effect.

You could also do 15 minutes MOSRED treatment first, and then do this warmup with LengthMaster 3, but then you need to make sure that your room temperature is really warm. I recommend that your room temperature is at: ~30°C/86°F.

You will kill your sperm (temporary), with the heating fan method, but you will gain fast when your tissue (penis + inner penis) are really heated up, before, after and during session. This is the reason I prefer to pump with hot/warm water (don't burn yourself).

I understand.
What if MOSRED is 4 inches close to my penis? does this work?

 

[kriskros]

Give it a shot and let me know how it goes

Yesterday did:
1. Bundled Stretches (5 mins)
2. MOSRED 10 mins -- 5 inches away
3. Drunk this product 2 hours prior to girth routine https://gr.iherb.com/pr/naturesplus-keto-living-natural-collagen-1-36-lbs-616-g/103460

Result:: True Expansion of 0.4' without any water retention, without my skin feel doubled. It was just 0.4' but it was real.

Today did:
1. Bundled Stretches (5mins)
2. MOSRED 10 mins

Result:: 0.55' expansion witch seems to have water retension as my skin is bigger than usual

My problem is having erections. This is my problem. 2day..... it was so difficult for me to have erection.

Maybe I should go for as many hours as i can for cockring ??? I am just asking

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

I understand.
What if MOSRED is 4 inches close to my penis? does this work?

As long as you feel you get sufficient warmth for your penis it should work.

 

[oldandlively]

Maybe I should go for as many hours as i can for cockring ??? I am just asking

Be safe and attempt to cycle on new blood every 10 minutes. Do not exceed 10 minutes. I hate to suggest 10 minutes because you have your conditions, but I prefer 5 minutes at max. Blood clot tends to form around 10 minutes. For some, it's as early as 2 minutes.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Maybe I should go for as many hours as i can for cockring ??? I am just asking

Go for 30 minutes and the rest of the time use this pel.wrap.

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/sims-videos-and-instructions.1830511/post-1932028

With this wrap your penis will both be elongated and a little expanded. This have worked for me. The key is the optimal tightness of all the layers.

 

[kriskros]

Go for 30 minutes and the rest of the time use this pel.wrap.

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/sims-videos-and-instructions.1830511/post-1932028

With this wrap your penis will both be elongated and a little expanded. This have worked for me. The key is the optimal tightness of all the layers.

If I wrap my penis won't it kill my girth routine ?

 

[DLD]

The only way to go

https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/mos-red-light-for-healing-and-erection-quality

 

[oldandlively]

If I wrap my penis won't it kill my girth routine ?

Wrapping after post pump expansion routine to force gaps for cell replication and cell repair. The wrap there after will assist with cell expansion through elongation. It still part of the growth process. Elongated cells become bigger, break the smaller ones down during the next routine to integrate them together, and cycle continues.

It will not kill your girth routine.

 

[DLD]

Wrapping after post pump expansion routine to force gaps for cell replication and cell repair. The wrap there after will assist with cell expansion through elongation. It still part of the growth process. Elongated cells become bigger, break the smaller ones down during the next routine to integrate them together, and cycle continues.

It will not kill your girth routine.

Smart answer

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

If I wrap my penis won't it kill my girth routine ?

No. What does this mean?

With this wrap your penis will both be elongated and a little expanded. This have worked for me. The key is the optimal tightness of all the layers.

It means that you will cement your gains.
Elongated + Expanded, for a long time (all day long) => Fast gains.

 

[kriskros]

Can I use silisleeve after the cockring instead of wrap?

 

[DLD]

Can I use silisleeve after the cockring instead of wrap?

Of course

 

[kriskros]

Of course

Okay, I want to make sure.
When we do Girth Work, it is beneficial to put the silisleeve after the cockring.
This way, we will gain faster.
Can you please let me know for how much time?
Please confirm

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Okay, I want to make sure.
When we do Girth Work, it is beneficial to put the silisleeve after the cockring.
This way, we will gain faster.
Can you please let me know for how much time?
Please confirm

I recommend you to read SRT/listen to SRT.

And yes it's important to keep your penis
elongated and expanded for growth. This is the healing portion of SRT.

Time?
All day long you should keep your penis elongated in a penis elongation wrap or a sleeve. Not when you are sleeping.

View media item 1780

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/srt-the-fastest-way-to-a-massive-penis-and-a-perfect-body.61063/

 

[kriskros]

I recommend you to read SRT/listen to SRT.

And yes it's important to keep your penis
elongated and expanded for growth. This is the healing portion of SRT.

Time?
All day long you should keep your penis elongated in a penis elongation wrap or a sleeve. Not when you are sleeping.

View media item 1780

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/srt-the-fastest-way-to-a-massive-penis-and-a-perfect-body.61063/

@DLD says

"If we are trying to elongate or thicken something, we need to not only do the proper exercises to break down the tissue for growth, but we need to never suppress its size after training. Some men may experience turtling, some men may naturally shrink when flaccid. Many are squished into tight underwear where suppression is at its worst."
He says: but we need to never suppress its size after training
When I have expansion after girth routine, putting a silisleeve doesn't suppress its size?

P.S - If possible fix all internal links here Essential - SRT: The Fastest Way to a Massive Penis and a Perfect Body or else please let me know where I can download the dvd.

 

[oldandlively]

He says: but we need to never suppress its size after training
When I have expansion after girth routine, putting a silisleeve doesn't suppress its size?

This is where your confusion is. Let's break it down just a wee bit more.

Expansion and elongation after pumping:
After your routines, if you're going for length, you want to keep it elongated as long as you can. Key phrase is, "as long as you can". If you performed the routines in the morning, keep the elongation process in wraps or anti-turtling method as best as you can, while not constricting the blood flow. If you look at the wrap methods for healing processes, they are not to the point where you cut off blood circulation. This is the worst thing you can ever do.

If you chase after girth, expansion (not elongation) keeps the penis in a state where the cellular tissues either increase in sizes or duplicate to fill in the missing gaps. During this period, you need to keep your fresh blood flowing. Without fresh blood, you're in trouble.

Morning vs night time routines with post elongation and expansion:

In the morning and throughout the day, you know you have less restriction on either to be in commando mode, use cock ring, sleeve, or whatever devices you want. However, at night time, if you haven't noticed, we emphasized on rest, and total freedom for the penis. 6 hours is the bare minimum for total penis rest, and your rest phase. No stresses, no tugging or pulling, no pump, no fatigues.

It does not counter the "never suppress its size after training" statement. Make sure you have sufficient amount of time to allow post training elongation and expansion. Example, if you're going to sleep at 10PM, do your routine around 8PM. As a beginner, 30 minutes of stretching routines and 30 minutes of pumping routine. That will fatigue your penis to death. 60 minutes of post elongation and expansion routine to get the blood in. While you prep yourself to go to bed, such as hygeinic routine, keep the cock ring/penis sleeve on, based on what you're chasing after (girth or length, or both). If your chase girth and length, cock ring. If you're dedicating to length, DuroSleeve.

When you're about to shut your eyes, take everything off and rest. Allow your brain and body to enter into their resting phase. Your cells will continue to repair and reset. Your penis may enter into its turtling state to conserve energy, but that's fine. You're allowing the cell to recharge on their energy lost during the day and the prior routine. This is part of the healing and charging state for your body.

24 hours vs 18 hours wearing:

This ma be controversial to some extent, but I'll provide both. I used both, based on what I'm chasing after as well. 18 hours is typical for constant explosive growth. If you're doing only light works, such as ADS without any extra routine, one 5x5x3 per day, then yes, 18 hours is your normal day. If you're going intensely like our brothers SIM, Infected Mushroom, Huge Girth, ManPlan86, and a few others that attempt to break the penis barriers, the routine time is much less in the 6 to 8 hours category.

However, this is me and a few that tried, we wear a loose, emphasized "loose" thick wall penis sleeve. The thick wall penis sleeve allows the penis structure to remain elongated while sleep, without any constriction and restriction. To prevent slippage because the penis will try to its way to shrink and retract, gentle wraping using silicon/medical rubber theraband or non-sticky wrap at the base of the glans allow the glans from slipping through the loose DuroSleeve/thick wall penis sleeve. This allows the penis to remain passively in its elongated flaccid state. There is no traction force. There is no gap creation. But, the warning in the other post is to keep your crotch area warm and aerated. No underwear. In the elongated passive flaccid state, you're mirroring the body's natural semi-erection where blood constantly flow into the penis. It helps to maintain deliver the essential materials for the cells to continue repair, with the addition assistance of blood flow promotion using this passive elongation process. This is the 24 hours PE routine method. I use this method when I'm on my rest day. Total rest day that is. I tend to do this after a very intense night time length workout as well. But this is just me, pushing by penis to go on a 24/7 healing process.

Hope that clears up all the misunderstanding from. We can expand on the subject even more if there are further confusion.

 

[DLD]

I recommend you to read SRT/listen to SRT.

And yes it's important to keep your penis
elongated and expanded for growth. This is the healing portion of SRT.

Time?
All day long you should keep your penis elongated in a penis elongation wrap or a sleeve. Not when you are sleeping.

View media item 1780

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/srt-the-fastest-way-to-a-massive-penis-and-a-perfect-body.61063/

Excellent post

 

[kriskros]

This is where your confusion is. Let's break it down just a wee bit more.

Expansion and elongation after pumping:
After your routines, if you're going for length, you want to keep it elongated as long as you can. Key phrase is, "as long as you can". If you performed the routines in the morning, keep the elongation process in wraps or anti-turtling method as best as you can, while not constricting the blood flow. If you look at the wrap methods for healing processes, they are not to the point where you cut off blood circulation. This is the worst thing you can ever do.

If you chase after girth, expansion (not elongation) keeps the penis in a state where the cellular tissues either increase in sizes or duplicate to fill in the missing gaps. During this period, you need to keep your fresh blood flowing. Without fresh blood, you're in trouble.

Morning vs night time routines with post elongation and expansion:

In the morning and throughout the day, you know you have less restriction on either to be in commando mode, use cock ring, sleeve, or whatever devices you want. However, at night time, if you haven't noticed, we emphasized on rest, and total freedom for the penis. 6 hours is the bare minimum for total penis rest, and your rest phase. No stresses, no tugging or pulling, no pump, no fatigues.

It does not counter the "never suppress its size after training" statement. Make sure you have sufficient amount of time to allow post training elongation and expansion. Example, if you're going to sleep at 10PM, do your routine around 8PM. As a beginner, 30 minutes of stretching routines and 30 minutes of pumping routine. That will fatigue your penis to death. 60 minutes of post elongation and expansion routine to get the blood in. While you prep yourself to go to bed, such as hygeinic routine, keep the cock ring/penis sleeve on, based on what you're chasing after (girth or length, or both). If your chase girth and length, cock ring. If you're dedicating to length, DuroSleeve.

When you're about to shut your eyes, take everything off and rest. Allow your brain and body to enter into their resting phase. Your cells will continue to repair and reset. Your penis may enter into its turtling state to conserve energy, but that's fine. You're allowing the cell to recharge on their energy lost during the day and the prior routine. This is part of the healing and charging state for your body.

24 hours vs 18 hours wearing:

This ma be controversial to some extent, but I'll provide both. I used both, based on what I'm chasing after as well. 18 hours is typical for constant explosive growth. If you're doing only light works, such as ADS without any extra routine, one 5x5x3 per day, then yes, 18 hours is your normal day. If you're going intensely like our brothers SIM, Infected Mushroom, Huge Girth, ManPlan86, and a few others that attempt to break the penis barriers, the routine time is much less in the 6 to 8 hours category.

However, this is me and a few that tried, we wear a loose, emphasized "loose" thick wall penis sleeve. The thick wall penis sleeve allows the penis structure to remain elongated while sleep, without any constriction and restriction. To prevent slippage because the penis will try to its way to shrink and retract, gentle wraping using silicon/medical rubber theraband or non-sticky wrap at the base of the glans allow the glans from slipping through the loose DuroSleeve/thick wall penis sleeve. This allows the penis to remain passively in its elongated flaccid state. There is no traction force. There is no gap creation. But, the warning in the other post is to keep your crotch area warm and aerated. No underwear. In the elongated passive flaccid state, you're mirroring the body's natural semi-erection where blood constantly flow into the penis. It helps to maintain deliver the essential materials for the cells to continue repair, with the addition assistance of blood flow promotion using this passive elongation process. This is the 24 hours PE routine method. I use this method when I'm on my rest day. Total rest day that is. I tend to do this after a very intense night time length workout as well. But this is just me, pushing by penis to go on a 24/7 healing process.

Hope that clears up all the misunderstanding from. We can expand on the subject even more if there are further confusion.

So, when you want length you heal in elongated form for as much as you can and when you want girth you just wear the cockring for as long as you can. This is what I understood, right? You do NOT wear sleeve after Girth routine and cockring. Am I right?

You have to understand that I am very new to this and all this technical analysis confuses me a little bit.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

So, when you want length you heal in elongated form for as much as you can and when you want girth you just wear the cockring for as long as you can. This is what I understood, right? You do NOT wear sleeve after Girth routine and cockring. Am I right?

You have to understand that I am very new to this and all this technical analysis confuses me a little bit.

Or you just use this for both.

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/sims-videos-and-instructions.1830511/post-1932028

The trick is to keep the windings at optimal tightness.
In this picure it have been on for all day long. Some fluid retention developed, but not that much.

 

[kriskros]

The reason I am asking and want a direct answer is because If I wear cockring, I can have it for 1 hour and I do massage every 30 mins because of almost numbness but with sleeve ..... I can have it all day without problem.
This is the reason I am asking this question:: FOR GIRTH WORK, after cockring for 1 hour? as many hours as I can? or after 1 hour cockring i can go for sleeve? I am sorry to ask the same question again but I need a direct answer!

 

[kriskros]

Or you just use this for both.

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/sims-videos-and-instructions.1830511/post-1932028

The trick is to keep the windings at optimal tightness.
In this picure it have been on for all day long. Some fluid retention developed, but not that much.

It is too tight -- wont it get numbed?

 

[huge-girth]

The reason I am asking and want a direct answer is because If I wear cockring, I can have it for 1 hour and I do massage every 30 mins because of almost numbness but with sleeve ..... I can have it all day without problem.
This is the reason I am asking this question:: FOR GIRTH WORK, after cockring for 1 hour? as many hours as I can? or after 1 hour cockring i can go for sleeve? I am sorry to ask the same question again but I need a direct answer!

After girth work, wear your cock ring for 1 hour that's all. This thing is super easy. Once you take off the cockring, you do not need to wear any penis sleeve.

Only wear a penis sleeve after length work. After girth work, wear the cockring for 1 hour only.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

After girth work, wear your cock ring for 1 hour that's all. This thing is super easy. Once you take off the cockring, you do not need to wear any penis sleeve.

Only wear a penis sleeve after length work. After girth work, wear the cockring for 1 hour only.

I agree but it's important to implement; Suppressed Restricted Transposition as well, that is: To not compress your penis in your pants to let your penis hang and be elongated/expanded for a longer time.

This is the reason I recommend a penis elongation wrap or sleeve after your girth session is done (after you are finished with the cock ring).

But I agree that we did complicate things.

 

[kriskros]

Ok please let me ask this.
I focus on girth. After girth session. After 1 hour cockring. You believe putting a sleeve is beneficial? Won't it push the expansion? Sorry for being so bad at understanding things. It is not my intention to make your life dificult

 

[huge-girth]

Ok please let me ask this.
I focus on girth. After girth session. After 1 hour cockring. You believe putting a sleeve is beneficial? Won't it push the expansion? Sorry for being so bad at understanding things. It is not my intention to make your life dificult

Don't put on any sleeve after your girth session. Once you finish your girth session, wear your cock ring for 1 hour. It is better to wear a cockring after a girth session and not wrapping a bandage or wearing a penis sleeve.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Ok please let me ask this.
I focus on girth. After girth session. After 1 hour cockring. You believe putting a sleeve is beneficial? Won't it push the expansion? Sorry for being so bad at understanding things. It is not my intention to make your life dificult

According to SRT you should prevent the penis from turteling and prevented to be compressed at all times. Wear a cock ring after girth session. Bigger pants are also recommended.

 

[ManPlan86]

So, when you want length you heal in elongated form for as much as you can and when you want girth you just wear the cockring for as long as you can. This is what I understood, right? You do NOT wear sleeve after Girth routine and cockring. Am I right?

You have to understand that I am very new to this and all this technical analysis confuses me a little bit.

Some brothers are focused just on girth, while others just on length, and some like myself are trying to take an all around approach and do combo of both. You will have to find what works best for you.

From what I have learned from other brothers and personally experienced:

If you are doing any girth work, focus on staying fat and hung with cock ring for at least an hour after. Oldandlively has provided thoughts on the cellular healing process beginning pretty quickly, say within 15 minutes or so after your session. Makes sense! So staying fat and hung with a cock ring and cycling fresh blood in often with nutrients for repair in the first hour is a must.

Healing will continue past the hour mark, and I believe that is where your confusion is coming from. Should you heal with the cock ring on past the hour, take off the ring and wrap or sleeve, hang flacid or...???

My understanding of SRT is that you should remain in the most non restrictive state possible for the longest possible time between sessions for healing and allowing the cellular level to heal with new cells in the gaps you created. This is true for both length and girth. Dont restrict while healing.

At times I personally go a couple hours after girth with a cock ring, no underwear and loose pajamas. Take off the ring every 10-15 minutes and work up an erection to ensure I keep fresh blood moving in and stay elongated and fat versus fat and turtling. After a couple hours, I usually will put back on the sillistretcher for remainder of day or a sleeve to ensure I stay elongated and not turtle. I dont get concerned about the sleeve compressing the girth, the cell damage has been done, and my bodies cell repair work is well on its way.

Remember that your healing at a cellular level, so regardless of whether you switch to a sleeve, keep the cock ring on, or another method of avoiding turtling, the cells are already damaged and repair at the cell level is not going to be impacted as long as you allow the breaks between cells to be filled in and replenished with fresh blood with good cell repair nutrients.

 

[kriskros]

Some brothers are focused just on girth, while others just on length, and some like myself are trying to take an all around approach and do combo of both. You will have to find what works best for you.

From what I have learned from other brothers and personally experienced:

If you are doing any girth work, focus on staying fat and hung with cock ring for at least an hour after. Oldandlively has provided thoughts on the cellular healing process beginning pretty quickly, say within 15 minutes or so after your session. Makes sense! So staying fat and hung with a cock ring and cycling fresh blood in often with nutrients for repair in the first hour is a must.

Healing will continue past the hour mark, and I believe that is where your confusion is coming from. Should you heal with the cock ring on past the hour, take off the ring and wrap or sleeve, hang flacid or...???

My understanding of SRT is that you should remain in the most non restrictive state possible for the longest possible time between sessions for healing and allowing the cellular level to heal with new cells in the gaps you created. This is true for both length and girth. Dont restrict while healing.

At times I personally go a couple hours after girth with a cock ring, no underwear and loose pajamas. Take off the ring every 10-15 minutes and work up an erection to ensure I keep fresh blood moving in and stay elongated and fat versus fat and turtling. After a couple hours, I usually will put back on the SiliStretcher for remainder of day or a sleeve to ensure I stay elongated and not turtle. I dont get concerned about the sleeve compressing the girth, the cell damage has been done, and my bodies cell repair work is well on its way.

Remember that your healing at a cellular level, so regardless of whether you switch to a sleeve, keep the cock ring on, or another method of avoiding turtling, the cells are already damaged and repair at the cell level is not going to be impacted as long as you allow the breaks between cells to be filled in and replenished with fresh blood with good cell repair nutrients.

Oh I see, that was awesome. I understand.
Doing this routine yourself, did you see any results? Can u share?