Election 2004 - Who will win?

[Texan]

Please vote for who you think will win the Presidential election. Please don't don't for who you want to win, but, rather, who think will actually be President. Example: If you really want Bush to win but you think Kerry will actually win, then vote Kerry.

 

[kausion_420]

I feel that bush will win however it would be best in my opinion if Kerry won.

 

[integrity]

I feel that bush will win however it would be best in my opinion if Kerry won.

Same here.

 

[RazedNegative]

I thought Bush was gonna win but lately he's been falling behind in some very key states, so I think that Kerry will win! (WooHoo!)

 

[Texan]

I just saw that the Cincinnati and Columbus (Ohio) newspapers just endorsed Bush. This could be good for Bush, especially this close to the election. Both candidates really want Ohio's 20 EVs.

 

[kausion_420]

Who do you think will win Texan?

I am noticing on all over the TV commercials how they are trying to get young people to vote and such. Many adds by C-rappers and R&B singers telling young peeps to vote. My concern with that is if Bush wins he will want conscription. The first to get conscripted are the young people or those not making enough money to be economically useful to the country.

When you register to vote you are registering for jury duty and in the event of conscription those who registered to vote are taken from the list and drafted. Most of the young people who do vote Im pretty sure will be voting for Kerry which is in their best interest.

My fingers are crossed that Kerry wins but Bush has more influence over the more powerful people in the states.

 

[GhosT_DoGG]

Kerry all the way, fuck Bush he can pack his shit and take a dip in a reeeally deep ocean.

 

[Texan]

I am kinda starting to think Bush is going to take it. I want Bush to win, but for awhile I wasn't feeling too good about things. It seems since the last debate that Bush has been doing better.

I think that a lot of people are voting AGAINST Bush, rather than for Kerry, and that is not good for the Democrats. Also, as the election draws nearer, you hear the Dems talking more and more about "new voters." James Carville, Clinton campaign adviser and Democrat pundit, said, 'Do you know what you call a candidate counting on new voters to win? A Loser.' I hope this holds true.

Either way, I am sure it will be a close election.

 

[BeBobBox]

I feel that bush will win however it would be best in my opinion if Kerry won.

I agree too

 

[Bigd5903]

For a while I thought kerry would win but lately I've been gettin a good feeling that bush will win. I already casted my vote for bush during the early voting.

 

[penguinsfan]

I am of the opinion that John Kerry will be our next President. This is just my personal belief because of several factors. The Democrats are lawyering up in places like Florida to attempt to do what they almost did in 2000. In states like Ohio, organization like the Soros-backed ACT and labor unions have registered more voters than the entire Census population of Franklin County. Numerous voter registrations have been filled out with one common address--the union hall, somewhere around Youngstown. There is the dispicable Colorado initiative to divide the electoral votes. The DNC last week released a memo to insiders instructing them to argue for voter disenfranchisement, EVEN IF NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE EXISTS. As much as I hope to see Bush re-elected, I believe it will ultimately be Kerry.

As for my vote, I'm voting for change. Not the change that is preached about on the "Slacker Uprising" tour or like events. I am voting to change the Democratic Party. See, we need two viable parties in this country. People should vote for a candidate, not an individual. But the Democratic Party has gone so far to the radical fringe left that too far gone into Marxism that the only thing that can save it is a brutal wake-up call. It must be defeated to such a degree that it is forced to return to its roots and rethink the path it has taken. At one time, our parties held relatively similar platform on many issues and the pressing issues were economic fiscal policy, mostly relating to labor and trade regulations. Today, our disunity makes our political make-up around the time of the Civil War look like the decade of unity. And the Republicans aren't much better. They're fast becoming a leftist party as well and I am a very reluctant Republican, with the understanding that the Libertarian and Constitutional Parties are not viable options.

That's my take on it. Many disagree and many of those that do are good people with the best of intentions, which is the only thing I can take comfort in at the end of the day.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Ahh, just checked in for the first time in a long while (been traveling). I agree with Penguinsfan, though I'm not certain. A projected 60% voter turnout this year is also good news for Kerry, as high voter turnouts tend to favor democrats. Also, it is of interest (though little actual importance) that the Nickelodeon kids poll picked Kerry, and this little survery has actually never been wrong. Kerry Currently leads in Ohio, and isn't trailing badly in any battleground state (generally within margins of error). Personally I've been dissappointed by the empty rhetoric and shit-spinning from both sides since the final debate, but I suppose it is a high stakes game.

 

[GhosT_DoGG]

Give Bush a bottle of Whiskey, and the election is already completed.

 

[copper_handshak]

penguinsfan that was a great post. I agree with you. I will be voting for Bush. I feel a win for Bush will let our media know that they cant elect our president through lies and half-truths.
Up until Clintons second term I had always voted democrat. But I feel that the party has been usurped by people who if known personally would not be considered trustworthy, intelligent, or enlightend. They pander to hate and fear and prejudice. They frighten the old and corrupt the young. Not my kind of people.

 

[kausion_420]

I am noticing how many gimicks Kerry is using to try and get votes. Half his votes will be coming from those who would rather elect an apple pie than to have bush run another 4 years. The other half are those falling victim to all the gimicks and celebrities wanting them to vote for Kerry.

I don't even like bush and now I would almost rather see him win. I don't think using gimicks should be allowed when it comes to an election.

 

[copper_handshak]

I agree kausion. People need truth and honor. The world needs truth and honor.
These people on my TV, sometimes I wonder how they mange to tie their own shoes and wipe their own butts.

On a lighter note, I really envy you living up in there Canada. I love the North with the snow. I lived in Ohio for a long time and really miss the harsh winters and obvious seasonal changes. Here in Houston its hot and concrete in that order I understand you Canadians have easy access to the ganja as well, something I think we could all use once in a while rofl

 

[thefranchise]

LOL guys, it's all staged. Bush is gonna win by work. Remember he has the voting machines in his favor.

 

[GhosT_DoGG]

Less then 50% of the American people vote anyhow. I bet the voting is strictly internal.

Like a black dude name Don Matthews I think it was. Read it in the Swedish newspaper. Well he lives in the more poorer parts of Ohio. And he said that
"Usally they don't give a damn about us black folks. But when there is an election, we all get some celebrities. And everybody wants us to vote. Im not going to vote, so is the majority of the black and the poor people."

Down with the Bushes once and forever.

 

[Texan]

Less then 50% of the American people vote anyhow. I bet the voting is strictly internal.

Like a black dude name Don Matthews I think it was. Read it in the Swedish newspaper. Well he lives in the more poorer parts of Ohio. And he said that
"Usally they don't give a damn about us black folks. But when there is an election, we all get some celebrities. And everybody wants us to vote. Im not going to vote, so is the majority of the black and the poor people."

Down with the Bushes once and forever.

Don Matthews is absolutely correct, Ghost, and that is one of my main problems with the Democrat party. That is not the Republicans doing that. For one thing, nearly all the celebrities are liberals and every election year they come down out of Beverly Hills to the lower east side telling everybody how much better things will be with Carter/Mondale/Dukakis/Clinton/Gore/Kerry in office, but guess what... soon as the election is over, those people won't be caught dead in that part of town. The Democrats pull the ultimate "carrot and stick" gimmick on minorities. You would think at some point the poor, the black, they would catch on, like many of the Hispanics have caught on, and realize that the Democrats only love minorities in election years.

Living in Sweden, why do you dislike Bush so much... and more interesting, why do you think Kerry should be President of our country? I can't help but feel like you are basing your opinions on what you see on TV. Being a Texan, I had Bush as a Governor for 6 years and now as President for 4 years and he is a good man and a good leader. Not all of his policies are 100% in line with what I feel is right, but in our two-party system, we don't have a lot of choices. Kerry is a scary person. He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get one more vote. The problem with that is I honestly don't know what this man REALLY believes.

 

[Texan]

Less then 50% of the American people vote anyhow. I bet the voting is strictly internal.

The number is really close to 25% who actually vote. About 50% are registered, and of those about half actually vote. I believe this is due in large part to our electoral college system. There is no telling how many Democrats in Texas don't vote because they know Bush will carry Texas. Same with Republicans in Cal and NY.

What do you mean by the voting being strictly internal?

 

[kausion_420]

Kerry does say what he thinks the people want to hear and what will get him more votes. Democrats usually do things from the inside out while Republicans from the outside in. Both parties have one main goal just very different ways of getting there. One side wants to achieve the order by conquest, the other by consent. A democrat president will do twice as much dirt as a republican president but because this dirt is done from the inside out noone really notices it.

 

[penguinsfan]

Don Matthews is absolutely correct, Ghost, and that is one of my main problems with the Democrat party. That is not the Republicans doing that. For one thing, nearly all the celebrities are liberals and every election year they come down out of Beverly Hills to the lower east side telling everybody how much better things will be with Carter/Mondale/Dukakis/Clinton/Gore/Kerry in office, but guess what... soon as the election is over, those people won't be caught dead in that part of town. The Democrats pull the ultimate "carrot and stick" gimmick on minorities. You would think at some point the poor, the black, they would catch on, like many of the Hispanics have caught on, and realize that the Democrats only love minorities in election years.

Living in Sweden, why do you dislike Bush so much... and more interesting, why do you think Kerry should be President of our country? I can't help but feel like you are basing your opinions on what you see on TV. Being a Texan, I had Bush as a Governor for 6 years and now as President for 4 years and he is a good man and a good leader. Not all of his policies are 100% in line with what I feel is right, but in our two-party system, we don't have a lot of choices. Kerry is a scary person. He says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get one more vote. The problem with that is I honestly don't know what this man REALLY believes.

Seriously GhosT_DoGG, your anti-Bush rhetoric really seems over the top, given that you don't even have to live with the man as your ruler. I mean, I could probably think of hundreds of things I disagree with, philosophically, from European leaders, but I have hundreds of things that are more important to spend my energy and focus on. What gives?

 

[copper_handshak]

I think that Europeans are influenced by what American celebrates say without considering the kind of people those musicians and actors really are. I know many of my fellow Americans are. Maybe those celebrates going to Europe and spitting venom and lies about our nation and its current President has convinced Ghost and many other Europeans to feel the way they feel.
I mean most of Ghost_Doggs other posts seem to come from an alright person. He parties, lives in a cool place, digs women...Maybe they dont get the facts about the two men, Bush and Kerry. Perhaps all their news is slanted towards Kerry. Its all so hard, ya know? Ive got to tell you though, musicians are fun, and actors are pretty, but those people are easily manipulated and want desperately to be liked. They say what they are told to say by handlers. They are tools, not free thinkers. I feel alot of the 'journalists' now days are just as bad.

 

[Shafty]

I don't want to speak on Ghost's behalf, but I doubt his anti-Bush streak stems from what influence certain Hollywood celebrities may have had on him. In my case, my distaste for the Bush administration has absolutely nothing to do with what any celeb has said. Personally I don't like Bush because he has, in my eyes, proven himself unfit to be in such a position of power time and again. He can't accept that he is just a human being who makes mistakes (which he also excels in- making mistakes, that is). His downright stubborn belief that he is on "God's mission" makes it impossible for anyone to hold him accountable for his mishaps. How can you argue or question someone who feels that he only needs to answer to the man upstairs? This particular quality puts Bush on the radical other end of the spectrum right along with Bin Laden. Bush just happens to believe in the Christian god, and the fact that he has the resources of the world's most powerful nation at his disposal means that he won't have to resort to such drastic measures as Bin Laden to get what he wants. I know some might argue that Bush is better than Kerry because he at least has a strong set of beliefs, but I just feel that the things he believes in are all wrong and self-serving. He is a greedy corporate oiled pig who also happens to think he is Jesus Reincarnated, on a crusade to save America from terrorism (which his exact actions help to fuel).

I feel that the longer Bush and the current administration is in charge, the more alienated the US will become from the rest of the world.

Low intelligence- at least for someone in his position + fundamental Christian beliefs (which should NOT be such a great influence in his desicion making... religion + politics is a notoriously bad mixture) + fuck-the-rest-of-the-world mindset + the president of America = DISASTER.

I don't really know exactly what kind of an impact Bush has had on the American economy in the large frame of things (if I were a rich Hummer driving American, I'd probably support him too, no matter how much I hated his agenda), but the impact he is having on the rest of the world is disasterous. I also don't know much about Kerry, but I know enough to be able to tell he would be a much better leader than Bush.

"He (Kerry) bends over backwards to please the public opinion". So what? At least he would listen to the people and not just drive the interests of the small elite.

My beliefs have probably been shaped somewhat by the years I spent in the Bay Area (which is, as far as I know, America's most liberal place), but I certainly haven't been swayed one way or the other by "leftist propaganda" such as Fahrenheit 9/11, any loud mouthed celebrities, or sources such as the New York Times. My mind has been made up a long time ago... I actually hated Bush since the very first day he stepped into office. I have also heard plenty of arguments that support Bush and what he is doing, but I have to say they have not been very convincing.

Anyway, I seldom have the incentive or time to waste bantering about politics, especially on a forum such as this. Let's make this an exception. I just wanted to correct anyone who might think that Hollywood celebs have an impact on shaping the views of Europeans in general, AND state a few reasons why I hate Bush while I'm at it.

I hope I managed to maintain at least a semi-neutral tone throughout this post. I have made some vile statements about Bush in the past, and I'm trying to see it doesn't happen again.

 

[GhosT_DoGG]

Well Texan, Because I don't live in the States, then sure i watch televison... CNN, red papers and such. But I still got my own eyes and mind to work that information out, don't I?=) From what I have seen, Bush havent really done anything good. He seems to be an actor, hiding benieth a mask. Only difference between him and a mentally ill person, that i find is that: The things he do, is automatically correct and legal. But a mentally desturbed person, then everything is morally wrong and all that. It's to much fuzz...
It should be a more regular person, who really knows what he/she is talking about. Not from the paper he/she was given.
Well Kerry isn't that normal, because he is pretty wealty and that sort of things.

The president candidates, Kerry and Bush does everything to make them look good right now. So they both are as bad liars. I still have my hopes up for Kerry, he seems more like a decent guy. Bush in the other hand, i dont like what i see. He has that evil aura. In the Gore vs. Bush election, I wanted Gore.

And why the hell cant there ever be an black president in America?
That racial things will never stop.

It seems like you have to have "known" parents, good education and all of that.
A regular person can run things as good or even better then these types.
The point is, they don't get no chance.



That with "stricly internal". What I ment by that was: What the people votes for doesnt count, it just seem so. But really I only think the politicians vote is the ones who are counted. And maybe the election has already settled a vinner before the actual voting. I think of this political things as a conspiracy.

But hey it's all conclusions, and widely guesses.

 

[penguinsfan]

I don't really have much time right now to respond, but my point was really not that you guys have an opinion on American politics, as you're entitled to, but that it amazes me how passionate and deep the anti-Bush sentiment is. I just don't see that same sentiment towards other leaders from us Americans. Just an observation.

Anyhow, while I disagree with Ghost and Shafty on the political scene, I have taken a liking to both of you personally and enjoy your presence on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

 

[Spektrum]

Eh, republican, democrat, it doesnt matter. They're both evil parties.

Our system is screwed. Too much corruption among what many people are starting to call the 'bohemian club class'. In other words, the control class. It's basically the top .05% of wealthiest class.

Greed is also/has always been a major problem with amerika(misspelled on purpose, lol).

I don't agree with his teachings, but Karl Marx has never been wrong in the past when it comes to predicting what happens in powerful societies. The control class will eventually push the limits too far and there will be a revolution. It happened in France, Russia, and China and it will eventually happen here. Then we're all doomed to socialism for a while. Don't you love manipulation of power? lol

 

[Shafty]

...but that it amazes me how passionate and deep the anti-Bush sentiment is. I just don't see that same sentiment towards other leaders from us Americans. Just an observation.

Well, in my case I suppose it is because I have only recently become "politically aware", or in laymans terms, interested in politics. I don't have enough info on America's past leaders to be able to "lay down" judgement on any one of them. Funny though, I don't care much about Finnish politics; the scene in America is much more captivating to follow and observe.
Thanks BTW for pointing out that you still care to have us around, even though our political views are vastly different. You are obviously a very nice and intelligent person yourself, and I'm sure you have good reason to stand where you stand in your political viewpoints.

Interesting stuff by the way... I stumbled upon a Finnish website, "Varjovaalit", which translates to the "Shadow Election". It is a nationwide survey conducted to see which US candidate would get more votes if the Finnish people could vote for YOUR president. Turns out Kerry would win by a large margin, 73% of all votes, with Bush getting the remaining 27%.

Oh yeah, and Spektrum, I have heard a lot of weird stuff about this "Bohemian Cult" in America. They supposedly worship a giant stone owl in the Redwood forests of California, and engage in various kinds of bizarre behavior, including homosexual activities and bestiality. :O This all sounds too outrageous to believe, but I would like to hear the opinion of an American who is more clued up on this stuff.