BPFSL vs BPEL

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hnb

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Hey guys. I started around 3 months ago on the newbie routine and i went from 7.5 inches in BPFSL to 8.7. My question is how much time does one need to transfer those BPFSL gains into EL gains ? I started doing the routine doing lenth work 7 days a week and girth work 5 days a week. The month after that i did both 7 days a week, the month after that i did lenth work twice a day and girth work once a day. This month i will be doing stretching 3 times a day and jelqing once a day. The month after that i will be doing it again 3 times a day but i will hold each stretch 60 and not 30 seconds. The month after that i will do the same but i will include 2 more mini workouts of other stretches like A stretches and etc. Im doing sprinting and intermittent fasting to up the levels of growth hormone. Im doing the kegels routine of course and i have a high protein bodybuilding diet to help with the results. Im always trying to up the volume of work every month until i reach my size. My goal is 23 cm in BPEL. I am a adult entertainment addict and i dont want to get erected to see my EL results. I only know i started at 7.2 BPEL and at some point i got to 7.7 inches. My main question is how much time does one need to transfer those BPFSL gains to into BPEL gains. And is it 100 % sure that my BPEL will catch up to my CURRENT BPFSL if i keep working on it ? (even if i dont make anymore gains) My plan is to retire at 9 inches BPEL but keep stretching once a week. jelqing 3 times a week and of course kegeling daily.
1. How much time is needed to transfer BPFSL lenth gains to BPEL ?
2. Is it 100 % sure that BPFSL gains transfer to BPEL ?
3. Should i lower the volume of jelqing to 3 times a week once i get to 6.3 inches in girth ? i started at 6 and gained a little.

Thank you all for the support. Im doing this for just a couple of months and the brotherhood has changed my life in many ways. I am way more open minded. And funny enough my work ethic and will power have increased. Thank you all again. Much love
 
Takes time, sometimes months before you notice. Stay consistent, dont allow doubt to creep in, you will be rewarded. BPFSL always shows first before BPEL, and it happens gradually
 
To convert your BPEL to BPFL you need to close the gap between the 2. You need to do erect stretching, this is the only type of stretching that will close that gap. When we stretch flaccid gains are made in a flaccid length way, not in a erect way. In order to close this gap you need to tackle it with you erect stretches.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
Takes time, sometimes months before you notice. Stay consistent, dont allow doubt to creep in, you will be rewarded. BPFSL always shows first before BPEL, and it happens gradually
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Is it possible my BPFSL gains to never become BPEL if i keep training ?
And is it impossible to transfer them from BPFSL to BPEL without erect stretching ?
 
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Dont be so paranoid about transferring those gains to BPEL. They WILL come. Meanwhile, you are lucky to keep growing in flaccid state. If I could go back in time and be in your position, I WOULD KEEP GOING. Keep stretching and growing in a flaccid state. Do not worry, you will NOT grow to a foot while being 7.5" erected. Your erected size will come. The flaccid length gains are space to grow erected length. I DONT HAVE THAT SPACE!!!!
Take advantage of it.
 
hnb said:
Is erect stretching the only way ? So if i don't do erect stretching my BPFL will never get to BPEL ?
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I wouldn't say so, no. From my own experiences, it came about in time from just natural growth. As DLD put though, the erect stretching makes sense in making it more productive to close the gap.
 
The way to close that gap is to do erect stretching. This will not hurt you in anyway it will not cause any damage. It’s a very simple exercise, get yourself erect and stretch for five minutes straight out. You can do five sets of one minute per set or if you’re able to go the whole five minutes. The reason this works is because you’re stretching the penis when it is erect, The erectile tissue needs to be stretched to close that gap of flaccid stretch.

But as Red said you can also wait and as time goes by you’ll gain more length which will make up for the gap but the gap will always be there until you stretch erect.
 
Thank you all for your time guys but i think you didnt understand me. I am not talking about closing the gap between BPFSL and BPEL. I dont care if there is a gap. I mean. If my penis is 7.5 inches BPEL now and i do ONLY flaccid or semi flaccid will by BPEL grow ? I understand that to close the gap it would be cool to do erected stretching but my question was if by BPEL will grow from if i do ONLY flaccid stretching. I started with 18.5 cm BPEL and 19 cm BPFSL and now after i started PE my BPFSL is 22 cm. If i keep doing the routine WITHOUT erected stretching will this 3 cm (1.2) inch gain go to erected length ? Thank you
 
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Good question...I am not sure about the answer, of curse experts like DLD who is a jedi master will chime in. Just guessing, I would say YES. I guess if you keep the same routine, and you are gaining from it, you will continue growing your BPFSL and your erected size will come growing behind. So lets say that right now your BPEL is 18.5 and your BPSFL is 22, perhaps your BPSFL will grow to 25 and your BPEL to 22.5 over time. Of course it will not necessarily go that way. Perhaps under the same routine your BPSFL will slow down and your EL will start catching up.
 
Thank you guys. Im sorry because my english isnt that good and its really hard to express myself :D
Does ONLY flaccid/semi flaccid stretching lead to BPEL ( i know i already grew 3 cm in BPFSL)
 
Jackxxx said:
Good question...I am not sure about the answer, of curse experts like DLD who is a jedi master will chime in. Just guessing, I would say YES. I guess if you keep the same routine, and you are gaining from it, you will continue growing your BPFSL and your erected size will come growing behind. So lets say that right now your BPEL is 18.5 and your BPSFL is 22, perhaps your BPSFL will grow to 25 and your BPEL to 22.5 over time. Of course it will not necessarily go that way. Perhaps under the same routine your BPSFL will slow down and your EL will start catching up.
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You are correct!
 
hnb said:
Thank you guys. Im sorry because my english isnt that good and its really hard to express myself LOL
Does ONLY flaccid/semi flaccid stretching lead to BPEL ( i know i already grew 3 cm in BPFSL)
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I’m glad we could all help you!
 
hnb said:
Thank you again but i didnt understand. Does flaccid/semi flaccid stretching gain erected length ?
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Eventually those flaccid gains could transform to erect length gains. As said, the flaccid stretched gains can come before erect gains.
I would do somesort of erect training to make your penis "understand" that there's more length and dimension where the blood has to go.

At times several men might have been struggling with gains, only noticing some small increments in flaccid state and no erect gains. But then, after a brief pause or some adjustment by the body, BOOM, there are those gains! Rest does come in as a big factor. We just can't yank our units 24/7 and expect to grow; the body needs rest to utilize the active time used for gaining.

Do your exercises, there are several routes to gaining and from my point of view flaccid / semi flaccid work can eventually bring erect gains. The time for that can be slightly longer though, but then again the gaining process does vary individually.
 
  • You will see gains in the flaccid state first before the erect state.
  • We often track progress by bone pressed flaccid stretched length or BPFSL
  • This will grow before you notice bone pressed erect length or BPEL
  • Flaccid or semi erect stretching does give erect size gains
 
arkailija said:
Eventually those flaccid gains could transform to erect length gains. As said, the flaccid stretched gains can come before erect gains.
I would do somesort of erect training to make your penis "understand" that there's more length and dimension where the blood has to go.

At times several men might have been struggling with gains, only noticing some small increments in flaccid state and no erect gains. But then, after a brief pause or some adjustment by the body, BOOM, there are those gains! Rest does come in as a big factor. We just can't yank our units 24/7 and expect to grow; the body needs rest to utilize the active time used for gaining.
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Do your exercises, there are several routes to gaining and from my point of view flaccid / semi flaccid work can eventually bring erect gains. The time for that can be slightly longer though, but then again the gaining process does vary individually.
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Same here. It is unfortunate when you get soft gains, but no hard gains. I hope hard gains come later
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Avengere said:
Same here. It is unfortunate when you get soft gains, but no hard gains. I hope hard gains come later
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They DO come. It is just a logical thing. Lets say you succeed in growing 3 inches of flaccid state. Your erected length HAS to grow, otherwise when you get an erection your penis will actually shrink instead of expanding which will never occur. So as you go adding flaccid size, erect size will catch up after.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
  • You will see gains in the flaccid state first before the erect state.
  • We often track progress by bone pressed flaccid stretched length or BPFSL
  • This will grow before you notice bone pressed erect length or BPEL
  • Flaccid or semi erect stretching does give erect size gains
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And one thing to add to close that gap between FSBP and BPSL is erect Stretching. Also as Red mentioned in another thread, you will close this gap without doing anything if you keep training it’ll be relative to the gains you make.
 
REDZULU2003 said:
  • You will see gains in the flaccid state first before the erect state.
  • We often track progress by bone pressed flaccid stretched length or BPFSL
  • This will grow before you notice bone pressed erect length or BPEL
  • Flaccid or semi erect stretching does give erect size gains
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Thank you. This was exactly what i needed.
 
Now that I remember, back in the day we had the TGC theory. It was based on bpfsl vs bpel and the effects of this gap in EQ. One of the main exercises advised to close this gap was jelqing and pumping.

It was theorized that if BPSFL > BPEL, jelqing would lead to length gains rather than girth gains. Same with pumping. At the same time, a BPSFL>BPEL should lead to decreased EQ.

On the other hand if BPSFL=BPEL or BPSFL<BPEL, then stretching and hanging exercises were recommended, and as a symptom, this statistics should lead to better erections.
 
I started with 6 inches in girth so i dont really want to get a lot bigger in that way. maybe from 15 to 16 cm (now i am 15.5). Even when i reach my goals 9 inches BPEL and 6.3 girth i will keep jelqing at least 3 times a week because i really have a bette understanding about my body and i have a great connection with myself right now. I dont know how to explain it but i will keep jelqing and doing kegels forever :D and maybe stretch once a week just keep being in shape :D
 
Can you guys tell me more about it. How do the girls react to the 6 inches of girth ? Do they like it more than the average ? What has been your experience
 
Im doing jelqing once a day 7 days a week and stretching on the newbie routine 3 times a day 7 days a week :D Next month i will still do 3 times a day but with 60 sec holds instead of 30 and the month after that i'll do the same but with 1 mini workout with dld stretches or something and the month after that i will do 1 more like that so length work 5 times a day. Lets hope i achieve my goals by then :D
 
hnb said:
Can you guys tell me more about it. How do the girls react to the 6 inches of girth ? Do they like it more than the average ? What has been your experience
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I've always found they loved it more then length. This is just my own personal experiences with women over the years. Once I was at 7-7.5" erect length, I could do all I needed to do with the length.

Once the girth went up, I noticed massive changes in the women ;) they loved it allot more, and especially when the head became larger. The feeling of being fuller, the pussy being stretched and filled like no cock before had ever done.

I should have stopped working girth once I got to 6-6.2" and hammered length, because now at 7" girth its very VERY hard to gain length, but not impossible.

I also believe 100% that a guy cannot have it all, in that he cant have all the length, and girth. Not all women want to be really stretched out, but, not all women want to be pocked and prodded in the cervix either. Its a fine balance, do you go for the girth, the length, or something balanced.

From my old memories of adult entertainment, the really longer men that women could take all the way were not the thickest, and the thickest were not the longest. Shane Diesel, yet he is over 8 inches length, so longest here is silly stats like 9-10 inches or more.

Only seen Mandingo taken all the way by two women, so they must have been both capable, and liked it deep, and being stretched, but that won't be the norm. Everyone is different, and the way adult entertainment stars are is nothing like the real world at all!!!

Hope you understand what I'm getting at.
 
@REDZULU2003 There are way more than 2 women taking mandingo all the way lol. Go to google and search "riding mandingo" it will give you as a result a compilation of girls riding him all the way and many of them could perfectly accommodate double that length. The thing is that women are VERY stretchy inside. And the healthier they are, the more capable they are of taking massive dicks. Those girls that smoke shit and drink alcohol and do drugs and eat deplorable diets will have damage tissues less capable of rough sex.

But a healthy woman, her vagina can stretch several inches. Plus the cervix is not the dead end. The cervix and the uterus can bounce to some degree too. The right combination of stretching plus pushing all those organs inside brings them to complete ecstasy.

You're completely right about girth. As an exercise, I always ask girls what they prefer. A long pencil dick or a short thick one. They always prefer the short thick because for them being completely filled and stretched out gives them that feeling of being packed fully by a phallic apparatus and that really turns them on.
 
hnb said:
Im doing jelqing once a day 7 days a week and stretching on the newbie routine 3 times a day 7 days a week LOL Next month i will still do 3 times a day but with 60 sec holds instead of 30 and the month after that i'll do the same but with 1 mini workout with dld stretches or something and the month after that i will do 1 more like that so length work 5 times a day. Lets hope i achieve my goals by then LOL
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This sounds like a very good routine and I like that you’re adding in more time as this will speed your gains tremendously. I ask you to go to the SRT thread and read through there that I know will give you a very good education on healing and gaining. As I’ve said many times before there’s no limit on how much we stretch.
 
DLD said:
This sounds like a very good routine and I like that you’re adding in more time as this will speed your gains tremendously. I ask you to go to the SRT thread and read through there that I know will give you a very good education on healing and gaining. As I’ve said many times before there’s no limit on how much we stretch.
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I will go to SRT once i get to 9 inches BPEL
 
hnb said:
I will go to SRT once i get to 9 inches BPEL
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I would ask you to still read through the SRT routine because there are many healing factors that you can add that will help growth and healing big time
 
Big Schwanz Acht said:
That's a major accomplishment!! Congratulations...next stop, 23 cms.
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Thank you. My goal is 23 cm BPEL. I Started doing it 7 days a week once a day. Last month i did it twice a day. This month im doing it 3 times a day. Next month i will be holding the stretches for 40 seconds instead of 30, the month after that 50, the month after that 60 seconds and i really i hope i would be 23 cm BPEL. ( a little more than 9 inches.) Now im doing jelqing once a day and kegeling once a day. What would your advice be for cementing those gains ? Ive heard that if i want them to be permanent i'd have to train for 6 months at the same size. ( i will jelq 3 times a week and kegel every day for the rest of my life) but do you think that stretching 3 times a week after that for a year would cement my gains ? Thank you.
 
hnb said:
For those 15 days i have grown 0.5 CM LOL From 22 to 22.5 BPFSL LOL I just wanted to brag about it LOL
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Brag all you want my brother, you earned it! And when people brag about what a brotherhood is brought them it only improves the brotherhood.
 
@hnb great thread! How's it going so far? Could you continue making new BPFSL in the same speed? How big is the gap between BPFSL and BPEL now? Which exercises did you do to 'convert' BPFSL to BPEL?

Jackxxx said:
Now that I remember, back in the day we had the TGC theory. It was based on bpfsl vs bpel and the effects of this gap in EQ. One of the main exercises advised to close this gap was jelqing and pumping.

It was theorized that if BPSFL > BPEL, jelqing would lead to length gains rather than girth gains. Same with pumping. At the same time, a BPSFL>BPEL should lead to decreased EQ.

On the other hand if BPSFL=BPEL or BPSFL<BPEL, then stretching and hanging exercises were recommended, and as a symptom, this statistics should lead to better erections.
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Finally @Jackxxx ,this was exactly the theory I was searching for since 3 days. Thanks for writing it by the name :D
 
9/29 I was about a half inch longer flacid stretched. 10/22 (today) my flacid stretch is equal to my Bone pressed erect measurement. I started July 22 but did not measure till August 12. August 12 I was 5.5 and today I'm (almost normal!) 6.5 + and closing in on 7. My question is this, will my stretched flacid again outpace my Bone Pressed erect measurements before the next gains?? I'm assuming yes like before. Am I correct?
 
@hnb Hi.
I got my gains (girth and length) mainly from jelqing. I very seldom did any kind of stretching.
Now one thing I noticed was reaaaaaaaly good at helping with my erect gains was edging. I got a total blank right as I'm writing this, so I can't remember the correct term, but what I mean is that I brought myself to 100% erection and maintained it for a couple of minutes every day. Edging helps you to be in that 100% state. The purpose of this is to maintain your penis at his fullest capacity for some time, as to "force"the broken tissue to engorge at its maximum, thus cementing the results. That helps you complement all your length work.

Also, @DLD after all these years, I can't possibly grasp the concept of erect stretching. I've tried it but I fail to understand how the f*ck do I stretch something that's already elongated and, moreover, is rigid??? The couple of times I've tried it, I wasn't able to feel any stretch at all... (confused)
 
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