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thanks Long! All the information is doing a great service to my education on this!
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thanks Long! All the information is doing a great service to my education on this!
Well, lets be realistic. It is unfair and an understatement to discredit the gigantic potential and capabilities of the UltraSound Therapy By saying that "even Kyrpa is experiencing diminishing returns and he is playing around with the idea of an extended decon"
Lets face the facts. Just exactly as my own personal situation, Kyrpa has reached years ago a dead end. A place in time in which no matter what he tried, he did not see any results. It becomes to some sort of sentence in which the individual is not allowed to grow anymore.
Since Kyrpa introduced the UltraSound Therapy through trial and error, outstanding discipline and intelligence to approach the problem, he gained ALMOST 2 FULL INCHES. If that is not day and night for anybody in a period of 12-18 months, then I dont know what a fuck it is.
My BPEL still stands at 8.75-9", if I am able to develop 2 full inches that will put me near 11 inches which is something I could only dream of.
So I would look at this with all my respect, of course with care, with enough skepticism to cover all angles, an certainly a scientific approach as Kyrpa has done.
It might end up at the end not being a sure shot equally for everybody across the board, but there is only one way to find out.
I have been very skeptical for a long time. I am not one of those to jump in an emotional wagon to try everything because a "bro" said so. I have been waiting for long term feedback from people like Kyrpa, manko007 and others. And these guys did not try for 1 month and quit or talk about a miracle. These guys have been exchanging data back and forth about it with measurements, results, experiments, for over 2 years already in multiple threads.
At least for me, it is time to give it a try. I am still gathering all necessary data, and I will commit to do everything in my power to make this work.
I have a complemental addition to the therapy that is part of my own research that provided me with the greatest girth gains, that I will re incorporate with this ultrasound therapy in order to solidify potential gains.
Lets face the facts. Just exactly as my own personal situation, Kyrpa has reached years ago a dead end. A place in time in which no matter what he tried, he did not see any results. It becomes to some sort of sentence in which the individual is not allowed to grow anymore.
Since Kyrpa introduced the UltraSound Therapy through trial and error, outstanding discipline and intelligence to approach the problem, he gained ALMOST 2 FULL INCHES. If that is not day and night for anybody in a period of 12-18 months, then I dont know what a fuck it is.
My BPEL still stands at 8.75-9", if I am able to develop 2 full inches that will put me near 11 inches which is something I could only dream of.
So I would look at this with all my respect, of course with care, with enough skepticism to cover all angles, an certainly a scientific approach as Kyrpa has done.
It might end up at the end not being a sure shot equally for everybody across the board, but there is only one way to find out.
I have been very skeptical for a long time. I am not one of those to jump in an emotional wagon to try everything because a "bro" said so. I have been waiting for long term feedback from people like Kyrpa, manko007 and others. And these guys did not try for 1 month and quit or talk about a miracle. These guys have been exchanging data back and forth about it with measurements, results, experiments, for over 2 years already in multiple threads.
At least for me, it is time to give it a try. I am still gathering all necessary data, and I will commit to do everything in my power to make this work.
I have a complemental addition to the therapy that is part of my own research that provided me with the greatest girth gains, that I will re incorporate with this ultrasound therapy in order to solidify potential gains.
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I am in the same boat as you and I will keep a very detailed log on this board with pics and measurements etc but first I have to buy the device. I am in an extended decon break.
I have read through all information available and I am very enthusiastic about it! I don’t post alot because I am very busy in real life.... I think more people are and have left the forum temporarily.
I wish I had the time to post more but unfortunately I can’t.
The people who are taking PE seriously will take note and try it out
I need to save up more as it will cost like $300-$400 I think including shipping costs to my country the Netherlands.
Until that time I am doing my kegel routine for pelvic floor muscle strength and extreme erection hardness.
I cannot wait to try this out and I am certain that I will gain Erect Length from this method. ??
As you guys know it: my goal is 10 inches NBPEL.
I don’t train girth on purpose because I am saving that for when I achieved my length goal and I’m not sure what girth would be appropriate.
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I wasn't trying to discredit the potential of ultrasound, I myself have been one of the first to see the potential and incorporate it, as evident by my thread and logs. I was away from theforums when they first started kicking the can down the road. I came back in June last year and bought the ultrasound machine I think in July. In the end we're saying the same thing about potential and it not being a magic bullet. I was postulating some of the weaknesses of the US Pro and why giving evidence for why 3 mHz isn't necessarily that much better than 1 mHz, especially if one is considering models with over $100 difference in price tag. Kyrpa gained with US Pro but I think his technique and application of ther heat will be better than most that attempt this as a few key variable matter to get into therapeutic range.
Yes Kyrpa gained with the US Pro, only thanks to the fact that he complemented it with a rice sock AND doing the therapy with his penis over the leg. But there is certainly a specific discussion between Kyrpa and manko007 which proved the advantage of 3mhz and intensity of at least 1.6w/cm2
After that exchange of information and results Kyrpa decided to replace his machine. For this agreement and testing, intra urethral temperature measurements were done comparing 1mhz with 3mhz and different intensities.
According to Kyrpa research in order to efficiently influence collagen tissues temperature must reach at least 104F. The US Pro with a lot of difficulty heat the internal tissues to 104-105, while a 3mhz machine with more intensity can easily bring it to 110-111 before risk increase.
After that exchange of information and results Kyrpa decided to replace his machine. For this agreement and testing, intra urethral temperature measurements were done comparing 1mhz with 3mhz and different intensities.
According to Kyrpa research in order to efficiently influence collagen tissues temperature must reach at least 104F. The US Pro with a lot of difficulty heat the internal tissues to 104-105, while a 3mhz machine with more intensity can easily bring it to 110-111 before risk increase.
Very good plan.
I agree and I will do the same, not to mess with girth at this point in time.
The only stage I see girth being a needed priority is when EQ is noticeable decreasing. EQ WILL decrease for sure as the first length gist start coming.
Out of respect for this board and members who have created all this information, I prefer to not copy or quote complete posts from other sources. I believe all the research i available out there for everybody to read, however the value of this threads here I think it should be to provide more clear precise information for everybody.
Although all the research and information is out there, it gets confusing. Its pages after pages of years of trial and error, there is no way to answer all your questions by reading all of that.
Therefore here once I have put together all the information myself, will provide all the "instructions" or manual of the protocol that has been conventionally created for this therapy so members dont need to go further in order to answer questions. Unless theyre interested in the complete science behind of course.
Although all the research and information is out there, it gets confusing. Its pages after pages of years of trial and error, there is no way to answer all your questions by reading all of that.
Therefore here once I have put together all the information myself, will provide all the "instructions" or manual of the protocol that has been conventionally created for this therapy so members dont need to go further in order to answer questions. Unless theyre interested in the complete science behind of course.
One thing that is crucial with this therapy is the LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging. For the first stage of the therapy and during the therapy, the LM will be MAJESTIC. Even more than before. Why? because with this therapy severe forces are not needed. In fact, while this is still theory, I have started to suspect from some time ago that our natural trend to keep increasing tension, increasing load, is the wrong way, the wrong approach. While it can lead to extension of tissues through sheer volumetrically pressure, it is not the scientific best method to promote natural growth of tissues.
The therapy incorporate this science in which those extreme forces will not be required and the LM will be the perfect device to provide the tension needed.
The therapy incorporate this science in which those extreme forces will not be required and the LM will be the perfect device to provide the tension needed.
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Can you elaborate more on the LM please? Like do you mean some pre-stretching prior to heated hanging? What are the benefits of the LM with ultrasound hanging ?
Exactly. Kyrpa reintroduced a protocol he named IPR. Inflammation, Proliferation, Remodeling. It is a protocol based on a principle first proposed by member Xenolith in circa 2006 AD. The protocol, which must be used with US, consists in Inflammation, which means workout the tunica and septum to its maximum natural potential, the Proliferation, in which US is applied to achieve new length, and Remodeling which is the cool down portion of the therapy and the ADS wearing for as much as possible.
A gentleman in this thread posted that he tried US and did nothing for him. I am pretty sure he did not apply the proven therapy and have no idea about IPR.
During the first 2 stages the LM will be crucial. I intend to do 60 minutes of bundled stretches with the LM, then 60 minutes of US while hanging with the LM. The third stage I will do 60 minutes with a traction device and after an ADS for as long as possible.
The reason why the LM will be perfect for this, is because the few problems for some users with the LM is the wrapping and grip. In this case, that will never be a problem. Because as we have discussed before, the US therapy does not work under heavy loads. In fact, this IPR approach is based on multiple scientific studies on connective tissue growth and remodeling. None of those studies propose applying extreme forces to achieve growth. And of course as a proven fact, Kyrpa was able to grow almost 2 inches based on that theory.
A gentleman in this thread posted that he tried US and did nothing for him. I am pretty sure he did not apply the proven therapy and have no idea about IPR.
During the first 2 stages the LM will be crucial. I intend to do 60 minutes of bundled stretches with the LM, then 60 minutes of US while hanging with the LM. The third stage I will do 60 minutes with a traction device and after an ADS for as long as possible.
The reason why the LM will be perfect for this, is because the few problems for some users with the LM is the wrapping and grip. In this case, that will never be a problem. Because as we have discussed before, the US therapy does not work under heavy loads. In fact, this IPR approach is based on multiple scientific studies on connective tissue growth and remodeling. None of those studies propose applying extreme forces to achieve growth. And of course as a proven fact, Kyrpa was able to grow almost 2 inches based on that theory.
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I don't think you're getting what I'm trying to say. The issue of the US Pro 2000 isn't the frequency (1 mHz) it's the intensity cap of 1.6 w/cm². The 3 mHz models do heat slightly faster but if you get one with comparable intensities either one will do the job just fine, with the 3 mHz able to heat slightly quicker.
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Kyrpa in a way disproved IPR, though I believe IPR was headed in the right direction. With therapeutic heat ranges, "inflammation" as xeno practiced is unneeded. Kyrpa, me and manko noted very little if any inflammation nor need for extreme measures to get gains.
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Also I have hypothesized that the growth even in the absence of inflammation could be a result of fibroblast mediated proliferation but could be wrong.
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I dont know whats your agenda against the PROVEN method of ultrasound. I did not want to copy direct quotes but heres from the horse mouth:
Directly from a Kyrpa's post in november 2018 the protocol that started giving him sustained gains in length:
"Well my english is also secondary to my native language so here we are.
I am following my application of IPR (Inflammation, Proliferation, Remodeling) protocol.
Xenolith is some sort of a godfather for this principle when used in PE
xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale
He is explaining it in Page 8. Post 115 forward. There are many whom are following same kind of principles.
It would be beneficial for seasoned PE practitioners and especially when gains have stalled or slowed significantly.
I phase is supposed to be intense workouts to produce micro fracture level effect in tissues , P phase is for start remodeling collagen and R is rest.
IPR programs are divided to micro cycles having one to two days of work and up to three days of rest for a cycle. They are managed under macro level as I phase and are after few cycles followed by macro level P phases for a few weeks. After P phase is macro level R phase lasting from few weeks to months.
I am sure using search here at �other PE site� you will find lots of stories and practitioners and their logs under IPR or Inflammation, Proliferation, Remodeling."
Directly from a Kyrpa's post in november 2018 the protocol that started giving him sustained gains in length:
"Well my english is also secondary to my native language so here we are.
I am following my application of IPR (Inflammation, Proliferation, Remodeling) protocol.
Xenolith is some sort of a godfather for this principle when used in PE
xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale
He is explaining it in Page 8. Post 115 forward. There are many whom are following same kind of principles.
It would be beneficial for seasoned PE practitioners and especially when gains have stalled or slowed significantly.
I phase is supposed to be intense workouts to produce micro fracture level effect in tissues , P phase is for start remodeling collagen and R is rest.
IPR programs are divided to micro cycles having one to two days of work and up to three days of rest for a cycle. They are managed under macro level as I phase and are after few cycles followed by macro level P phases for a few weeks. After P phase is macro level R phase lasting from few weeks to months.
I am sure using search here at �other PE site� you will find lots of stories and practitioners and their logs under IPR or Inflammation, Proliferation, Remodeling."
In regards to the famous US Pro US
From Kyrpa. The US Pro IS NOT the right equipment for proper gains. Unless you develop alternative routes to keep heat just like Kyrpa did. Once testing was done with a more powerful machine, a 3mhz equipment is recommended, NOT a 1mhz equipment.
"Great find. It seems to be in line with my experiences and follows exactly this formula I have posted in another thread:
“For 1 MHz US they say it heats tissues with 0.2°C per w/cm^2 per minute.”
And also 0.6 °C per w/cm^2 per minute for 3 MHz goes is line with your posted values.
These formulas are from https://fr.slideshare.net/caseychri…utic-ultrasound
Discussed in few posts previously here:
Calculating US thermal effects
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If you ask me you should go for machine more powerful than mine.
You are right with dividing the shaft in segments to have it heated well enough. I do it with hot rice sock and it still is a task to get it done. I would say that you do nothing with machines powered below 1.6 w/ cm^2 . If I was purchasing machine now I would go for 3 MHz with 2.0 w/ cm^2.
And I know they come with a price. If they only were more affordable I wouldn’t hesitate to get one right away."
From Kyrpa. The US Pro IS NOT the right equipment for proper gains. Unless you develop alternative routes to keep heat just like Kyrpa did. Once testing was done with a more powerful machine, a 3mhz equipment is recommended, NOT a 1mhz equipment.
"Great find. It seems to be in line with my experiences and follows exactly this formula I have posted in another thread:
“For 1 MHz US they say it heats tissues with 0.2°C per w/cm^2 per minute.”
And also 0.6 °C per w/cm^2 per minute for 3 MHz goes is line with your posted values.
These formulas are from https://fr.slideshare.net/caseychri…utic-ultrasound
Discussed in few posts previously here:
Calculating US thermal effects
post 129
If you ask me you should go for machine more powerful than mine.
You are right with dividing the shaft in segments to have it heated well enough. I do it with hot rice sock and it still is a task to get it done. I would say that you do nothing with machines powered below 1.6 w/ cm^2 . If I was purchasing machine now I would go for 3 MHz with 2.0 w/ cm^2.
And I know they come with a price. If they only were more affordable I wouldn’t hesitate to get one right away."
