What is the best supplement out there?

[bigman808]

I honestly like NO2 and Nitro-Tech, but I would like to hear what you guys think...If your answer isn't listed, just choose other and post it in a message...thanks!

 

[Shafty]

I have to vote for whey protein. I think you could perhaps replace it with a protein source from food, but whey is the protein with the highest bioavailablity and digestion rate, so any other kind would be inferior in a situation such as after a workout, where your body is literally craving for protein and carbs that it can utilize immediately. Hence it would be my pick.

 

[bigman808]

Yeah, I take a whey protein supplement with an occasional protein drink from GNC...those mothers have sometime 50g of protein and they actually taste good! Do you take a protein supplement? If so, how many g of protein are there in one serving?

 

[bigman808]

Yeah, true, but if you don't want to stay natural and are looking for a little help along your way to muscle mass, I still believe NO2 is a great supplement, because it is pretty much the only one that does anything with your fast twitch muscle fibers. These are what make your muscles grow, and by accelerating them, you are in turn building your muscles more and more. That is why I work on explosiveness during my workouts, especially with benchpresses. Whey Protein is great though, and I have been supplementing with it for about 6 months now, and am loving the results. Plus, it isn't bad tasting like some other supplements. Myoplex makes a good protein supplement, and it doesn't have anywhere near as much cholesterol as GNC's 100% whey protein does...

 

[wubeats]

Yeah, I take a whey protein supplement with an occasional protein drink from GNC...those mothers have sometime 50g of protein and they actually taste good! Do you take a protein supplement? If so, how many g of protein are there in one serving?

I'm currently taking Optimum whey protein. It contains 23g of protein per serving. It's pretty inexpensive I like the results I've been getting from it.

 

[bigman808]

I'm currently taking Optimum whey protein. It contains 23g of protein per serving. It's pretty inexpensive I like the results I've been getting from it.

23g per serving is pretty respectable. GNC's 100% Whey Protein has 20g but SOOOO much cholesterol, its pretty fucked up. I reccomend Myoplex but GNC is good because it also has some AA in it. Plus, it can be inexpensive, 'specially during Gold Card week, which is pretty much the only reason why I go to GNC. Bodybuilding.com is a great site for great products. Check it out, they have some pretty good prices too...

 

[wubeats]

yea bodybuilding.com is where i order my almost all of my supplements. they usually have really good prices.

 

[UpgradingUnit]

allthewhey protein is the cheapest and best tasting ever.

great service too.

kentnutrition or 1fast400 are good supplement places.

 

[philadelph]

Natural or not, diet is of # 1 importance in making gains in the gym. By the way, don't ever buy from GNC.

 

[bigman808]

haha true, i usually only buy the protein and only once during a month, if I buy then, because you get 20% off your purchases in the first 7 days of the month. bodybuilding.com is a great source, because they tell you all about the products you are buying as well as give you their own reccomendations, and even tell you what products work well with that choice. It's a great site, both the cyberstore and the regular site.

Philadelph is absolutely right, however. Diet is by far the most important thing when it comes to exercise, bodybuilding, and general nutrition. It remains paramount even after you have gotten it straight and have a solid meal and exercise plan. The last thing anybody wants is to put the pounds they just lost right back on. If you have been working out steadily for at least 6 months, however, then it is safe to begin to supplement. This is because you will want to get to know your body's strong points, and if you begin to supplement before you do, then you won't know what to really work on when you are exercising.

BTW, I LOVE your picture in your signature!!! ROFL

 

[TimBo755]

I'm currently taking Optimum whey protein. It contains 23g of protein per serving. It's pretty inexpensive I like the results I've been getting from it.

Same here, I think Optimum's product is the best i've had so far...cheapest, though I will look into this 50g gnc one you guys are ranting about..seems quite sweet as well.

Question is the 50g gnc stuff whey protein? I can't find anything on that...

 

[bigman808]

Same here, I think Optimum's product is the best i've had so far...cheapest, though I will look into this 50g gnc one you guys are ranting about..seems quite sweet as well.

Question is the 50g gnc stuff whey protein? I can't find anything on that...

It's a protein drink, in the little refrigerator's they have in the store. It is also on the shelves by the bars and all that. They have numerous flavors and no carbs as well as only 110 calories, which is pretty darn respectable, and add that to 40-50g of protein and a good taste, and you aren't going to find that very often...

 

[TimBo755]

im guessing its more expensive than the optimum 100% whey? Whats the difference if i take 2 servings of the whey protein compared to the 50g gnc stuff? beside the 4g of protein missing in the optimum of coarse..

 

[bigman808]

Last time I went the 50g was $31 dollars and I think it was 6 dollar off day, I just went for the 20g stuff that was $20 bucks but I really want to move up to the 50g now, despite the price. I am having a hard time finding a great alternatives whey protein drink at www.bodybuilding.com, that matches the GNC one, if anyone does can they please post the link.

You people don't seem to be getting me: It's a protein drink!!! Like gatorade!!! One bottle is no more than $3.50!! I usually have the blue rasberry flavor, its pretty good tasting compared to other protein drinks. Also, if you ever want to invest in a MRP, (meal replacement) then GNC is one of the many makers of a good priced on as well. The Mega MRP has 40g of protein per serving, and it is VERY fulfilling when it comes to appetite. I prefer the MRP bars, because they're great if I'm on the run and don't have time to make a shake. Just some friendly advice...

 

[UpgradingUnit]

check the prices out at www.allthewhey.com

i think they are the cheapest, and they taste good too.

 

[bigman808]

No, I get you. I just wasn't replying to your post.

Oh....lol My bad bro, sorry bout that. I haven't visited allthewhey.com but I might have to, sooner or later. I just buy the drinks from GNC because I don't really like to wait for shit to ship and all that, when I can just get in the car and drive five miles and not pay for S&H, just tax...

 

[iwant8inches]

My vote was for NO2 by MRI. You need to do waht Bryd's book says though. If you get it at GNC they will have abook for it telling you everything you need to know about NO2 and other things like nutrition and workout sessions.

You have to stack this with something else like creatine for instance to get it's real benefits. Protein is best in my opinion mainly because I break out from creatine, but really NO2 is about as good as it gets in terms of giving results. You just have to do what the book you get with it says.

 

[bigman808]

My vote was for NO2 by MRI. You need to do waht Bryd's book says though. If you get it at GNC they will have abook for it telling you everything you need to know about NO2 and other things like nutrition and workout sessions.

You have to stack this with something else like creatine for instance to get it's real benefits. Protein is best in my opinion mainly because I break out from creatine, but really NO2 is about as good as it gets in terms of giving results. You just have to do what the book you get with it says.

Amen to that bro

 

[kwyckemynd00]

I love S1+ by Dermabolics! It contains 1-Test and 4AD in a transdermal spray. Each bottle is about $30 and lasts about 2 weeks at the recommended dosage. I'm actually going to make my own homebrew transdermal soon, though. I'm gonna use the same 4.5g 4AD and 3g 1-Test per 4 oz, spray bottle, but I'm going to make the solution myself. Hopefully it will be more effective since I'm using DMSO instead of Oleic Acid!

Anyway, second best, not including a good workout regimen and diet, is creatine.

Fav protein shake: Dymatize Elite Whey

BTW: I'm on day 10 of S1+ out of 28 days and am up 7lbs from 205 to 212!!! NO BF gains whatsoever and I'm holding no water; maybe because I drink so damn much H20 throughout the day.

Important: For anyone not educated on hormones, 1-Test is a legal steroid and 4AD is a potent precursor to testosterone. They are both legal, but should not be taken lightly. All cycles must be followed by a good PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) of equal length to the cycle itself starting immediately after the cycle finishes! For my post Cycle I'm going to be using MetaCort by dermabolics which has 6OXO and 7OXO-DHEA in a transdermal spray. I'm adding 1 extra gram of Androstenetrione powder (6OXO) to the solution so it lasts me one month! It will total about $35.

*NO, I dont' work for Dermabolics! LOL. I wish I did, especially with the ban coming up. I'd love to get some discounts!

 

[bigman808]

Thanks for posting. With my ROP, my test is goin along pretty well, plus I take NO2, so I'm gonna stay on that for a while. Here is a site for you since you seem like you like steroid alternatives: www.hcmuscle.com It's pretty expensive, but not illegal, at least i dont think so...

 

[iwant8inches]

Amen to that bro

Hadn't realized it but I haven't been taking NO2 for like a month at least not regularly. I take it about every three days now. Actually I just ran out too. Time to get some more. BUt I really didn't need to take it every day it seemed to me because I've been on it for like 7 months nonstop every day until the beginning of May.

I might go back to Protein shakes though cause I need a new car and I'm about flat broke. GNC has NO2 for like 79.99. Byrd needs to bring that price down from whatever MRI is selling that stuff to the middleman. That has to be the only reason because I can't imgaine it being that expensive for much longer. The competition is already there. I don't know if the other Nitric Oxide supplements work as well, but hey they are cheaper so NO2 I'd like to think they'd help the consumers out a little.

Bigman you ever take eggwhites. I see it advertised a lot in that huge ass white gallon bucket. You ever see that stuff. I might order that. It is supposed to be MUCH better than regular whey or any protein shake for that matter.

 

[oopapercutoo]

I personally believe that protein powder (take your pick as to whether you want whey, soy, casein, or a mixture of the 3) is the best supplement if you're looking to gain size. Protein is the building block of nearly everything essential in your body from your brain to your muscles, so it would stand to reason that a protein supplement would be a good investment.

As for the guy above talking about transdermal sprays...do those actually work? I've never researched them very thoroughly, but it seems far-fetched that I could spray something on my skin and that would be a form of supplementation. If it really does work, that's great, but I'll stick with the old-fashioned way of ingesting my supplements.

 

[quijjiboo]

Ultimate Nutrition Whey
$35 for 5 pounds Canadian, damn good stuff

 

[Bigd5903]

Squats are the best supplement!

 

[bigman808]

I personally believe that protein powder (take your pick as to whether you want whey, soy, casein, or a mixture of the 3) is the best supplement if you're looking to gain size. Protein is the building block of nearly everything essential in your body from your brain to your muscles, so it would stand to reason that a protein supplement would be a good investment.

As for the guy above talking about transdermal sprays...do those actually work? I've never researched them very thoroughly, but it seems far-fetched that I could spray something on my skin and that would be a form of supplementation. If it really does work, that's great, but I'll stick with the old-fashioned way of ingesting my supplements.

You're exactly right, and thank you for posting that. Protein is VERY important to your body, and is almost irreplacable...

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Thanks for posting. With my ROP, my test is goin along pretty well, plus I take NO2, so I'm gonna stay on that for a while. Here is a site for you since you seem like you like steroid alternatives: www.hcmuscle.com It's pretty expensive, but not illegal, at least i dont think so...

Thanks for the site, but the beauty about me making my own homebrew is that it's really cheap and pretty much the most effective legal stack ATM, next to a M1T/4AD stack. M1T, also is just 1Test that is methylated so it has good oral bioavailability. So as it is 1-Test with 4AD is just the shit! For example, what would equate to 20 bottles of Mag-10, by Biotest, which run for nearly $100 per bottle I can make this stuff for $200, total! Just buy the powders and make the transdermal solution, and wham. You've got 5 good cycles.

Now Mag10 is still gettin' whooped by this product regardless because Mag10 is a non-methylated oral and my homebrew and S1+ are both transdermal. Transdermally 30-40% of the hormone is delivered (or has a 30-40% bioavailability) whereas with oral (unlike what biotest claims) you get approximately 5- (maybe)10%. So gram for gram you get more bang for your buck!

Even the S1+, however, is only $30 per bottle. Each bottle lasts 2 weeks. So that's not too bad.

FYI everyone. If you don't know already prohormone and legal steroids are going to be banned, probably by around August before the Olympics, so if you wanna get 'em, do it now.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

You're exactly right, and thank you for posting that. Protein is VERY important to your body, and is almost irreplacable...

LOL. I almost forget that people consider it a supplement because a good protein supplement to me is just like air. Something I always do and take for granted. So yes, I'll agree that it is the most important thing to any bodybuilder who doesn't have time to cook a million meal a day....other than that, for legal supps, it's a stack of 1Test and 4AD followed by a posty cycle therapy (PCT) of Androstenetrione (6OXO) and 7-OXO-DHEA! That's the best legal cycle out, without a doubt!

 

[bigman808]

keyword in that sentence: LEGAL lol

 

[Dario]

When all is said and done, nothing beats a solid diet with large amounts of WPI (Whey Protein Isolate).

 

[philadelph]

keyword in that sentence: LEGAL lol

Won't be for long. Maybe a month left, then legal steroids are gone.

There is some potent shit out there though guys, not just pro-hormones, but actual steroids. These are only legal by some loophole.

Cheap too.

 

[bigman808]

Absolutely right, Philadelph. Also, Dario, you hit the nail on the head. WPI is an excellent thing for growing, recovering, and maintaing muscles. So is other protein, but I personally, and am probably joined by plenty of others, prefer whey. Philadelph, your signature 'vid' is HILARIOUS!!

 

[sikdogg]

... a stack of 1Test and 4AD followed by a posty cycle therapy (PCT) of Androstenetrione (6OXO) and 7-OXO-DHEA! That's the best legal cycle out, without a doubt!

I disagree, methyl-1-test and 4AD cyp is a much better stack. When considering gains versus liver toxicity, you can't beat M1T. Also, don't waste you money on 6-oxo get the real deal for PCT... clomid and/or nolva. They are legal for purchase in liquid form thru research chem suppliers. Don't forget the protein... lots and lots of protein. I try to take in 2gr of protein per pound of bodyweight everyday, bulking or not.

But to answer the original question of the best supp (since legality wasn't mentioned), it's got to be 700mg of test cyp/enan and 500mg of tren per week with lots and lots of food.

 

[sikdogg]

Won't be for long. Maybe a month left, then legal steroids are gone.

There is some potent shit out there though guys, not just pro-hormones, but actual steroids. These are only legal by some loophole.

Cheap too.

Fine by me, just gives me more reason to exclusively use real gear. Results are better with real gear anyways.

 

[bigman808]

I'm gonna try and stay off either legal or illegal steroids for now, NO2 is working fine, the same with the Whey Protein supp I take. Good luck to all those who are taking andro, steroids and similar products. Take care of your body, it is very valuable, whether or not you take it for granted. Also, be careful with the bordering on illegal supps. The last thing any of you, I'm sure, need is to get arrested for using illegal 'roids. I'm not dissing steroids or similar products, nor condoning their usage, but they do have some rather nasty side-effects as well as some legal and illegal problems. Once again, be careful and take care of your body!!!!

 

[sikdogg]

I'm gonna try and stay off either legal or illegal steroids for now, NO2 is working fine, the same with the Whey Protein supp I take.

I understand your position, if you're happy with NO2 then stick with it.

Good luck to all those who are taking andro, steroids and similar products. Take care of your body, it is very valuable, whether or not you take it for granted.

Just because one takes PH/AAS doesn't mean that they aren't taking care of their bodies. In fact, their desire to improve themselves physically is the reason they take it to begin with. Most users that i personally know are extremely well versed in diet and exercize. I did a crash course study on Endocrinology to better understand how PH/AAS effects the body (HPTA) and how to minimize its negative sides.

...they do have some rather nasty side-effects as well as some legal and illegal problems

Legal or illegal, PH and steroids have the same negative side effects. Because they both suppress your natural test levels and some (PH and AAS) aromatize to estrogen. These two actions are responsible for virtually all negative side effects of their uses. That said, steroids offer much better gains for the same risk of sides.

Legality is of course a serious concern, but not any more than using POT. It's definitely a personal choice and one should understand the pros and cons of their use before jumping in.

 

[bigman808]

I'm not saying that you guys aren't taking care of your bodies, I'm just sayin that because I feel that it is VERY important to bodybuilding, let alone life. Also, I like to research things really thoroughly before I buy it, so I know where you are coming from with crash classes and such. I did some pretty heavy and in-depth research about NO2 before I even went to GNC, so I'm happy with my results and my knowledge. Thanks again for posting and voting in the poll!

 

[kwyckemynd00]

I disagree, methyl-1-test and 4AD cyp is a much better stack. When considering gains versus liver toxicity, you can't beat M1T. Also, don't waste you money on 6-oxo get the real deal for PCT... clomid and/or nolva. They are legal for purchase in liquid form thru research chem suppliers. Don't forget the protein... lots and lots of protein. I try to take in 2gr of protein per pound of bodyweight everyday, bulking or not.

M1T is better because it's more bioavailable. I just meant 1-Test to encompass all 1-Test products.

IMHO, the best legal way to get gains would be to get 1-Test Cyp and 4AD Cyp. I'm just not too confident about being a pin-cushion, yet. lol.

I thought about buying M1T and a lot of it, because you can get a gram for $8.00!! That's freggin' great. But, after a few stories about guys pissin' blood, I didn't feel like messing with it anymore. I don't know what the 17aa on that thing is doing, but piss in the blood is never good.

I've seen the research Tamoxifen Citrate. I was about to buy it, too. But, I didn't wanna stack it with the clom.

Nolva by itself, does not raise natural testosterone. That's why I like the 6OXO + 7-OXO-DHEA mix. 6OXO blocks and 7-OXO-DHEA raises natural testosterone while simulateously lowering cortisol level. The two are a great combination. I suppose I could just take Nolva and 7-OXO-DHEA, but I'm content with the 6OXO.

But to answer the original question of the best supp (since legality wasn't mentioned), it's got to be 700mg of test cyp/enan and 500mg of tren per week with lots and lots of food.

LOL.

 

[quijjiboo]

I want the skinny, strung-out crackhead look, so M1T is "the best supplement out there"?

 

[sikdogg]

bro, M1T is good stuff. Definitely more potent than 1-test cyp. I bought a bunch of the original tabs that were sold my LegalGear (they were the first to offer it). Every time i go on a 2-week cycle of M1t (20mg ED), i gain ~10 lbs. I've never experienced anything like pissing blood.

The 17-AA makes it orally available. In addition to making it orally available, it also make it much more potent. The bad part of being 17-AA is that it makes it very hard on your liver. Dbol and winny are also 17-AA.

I'm glad that 6-OXO is working for you, but it's generally not considered potent enough for PCT when using real gear. At least that is what most BB'ers believe. It's also more expensive than liquid Clo or Nolva. There's no need to stack clomid with Nolva, you can use either or...

 

[bigman808]

Thanks for posting and voting in the poll, everybody!!

 

[Chris23]

Im gone to tell u right now GNC stores are a rip off and also they will tell u anything to sell there product.If u have another place in your town by it there or go to bodybuilding.com and buy stuff.We have two places close to here,GNC and some other place i cant think of but it is usely 20 cheaper or so than gnc stores.Supra do u eat alot of tuna, baked chicken egg whites?
I think u would come out better going on bodybuilding.com and asking on them foruns.By you some stuff to clean your face with and there is some soap that has lemons or something in it that helps alot but i cant remember the name of it but a docter told my brother to use it and it helped from what he told me.I use that klear stuff thats like proactive but not sure if it works or now because i still get some pimples.I get black heads alot.

 

[bigman808]

Thanks bro. You're right, GNC is terribly overpriced and understaffed with smart physically capable people. They salesmen don't know jack shit about anything, its often me educating them about what they're putting on the shelf, its hilarious! "uh, do you happen to know what this is and what it does, what I'm putting on the shelf here?" "yeah, its creatine, you idiot!" "oh, i knew that, the protein formula!!" It's pathetic, the shit they think they know! I once was told to buy an MRP in place of creatine because it had the same products, and to supplement Andro instead of NO2. Those times were rather memorable, let me tell you...

 

[millionman]

I can tell you from experience the best company to go with is Beverly International. they are called the kings of protein for a reason. there a small company, but they have been around since 1967, basically one of the founding companies in the industry. I've been using their stuff for about a year and a half now, and the stuff is as good as they claim it to be, especially for cutting and gaining lean mass at the same time. I also use some of the Performance line from Advocare, and I have three of my clients using the Metabolic Nutrition System since it's cheaper to buy as a whole package than to buy a thermogenic, a multi-vitamin, and EFA tabs.
I've used Muscletech, EAS, and Metrx, and they are all good companies, but I never got the results I wanted. I really feel that it's because the quality and purity of the products are so different.

 

[wdis3]

whey protein is the best, and dont forget your multi-vitamins..

just ask Anthony Ellis, www.skinnyguy.net