Welcome to MOS, EAcalichamp

[DLD]

Welcome to the Brotherhood, @EAcalichamp, I am @DLD. I encourage you to get involved and start making gains by reading through these two important threads, The Newbie Routine and the SRT Routine. The goal is to create a routine, If you need help in writing a routine let me know.

Once you decide upon a routine, start a Routine and Process Log stating all your beginning measurements, your goals, your routine and any other information. This is what we encourage new members to do.

How big are you now and how big do you wanna get? We’re here to help make it happen. If you need help with anything, just ask.

 

[EAcalichamp]

Hey @DLD thx for all the info throughout the years- very helpful

i have been using the Phallosan Forte & Bathmate for a dedicated month (+ bathmate on/off for 4 years) but have not seen any permanent gains. after reading your article on SRT training, ive decided to start a dedicated 90 day program which will include both manual work & proper healing (both of which i never did before). i will also be buying a SizeGenetics extender .

when should i use the bathmate within the SRT training program though?... in the AM like before or after stretching routine? before or after jelqing? or before bed?
i usually pump for 15-20 min in the Bathmate

also, i only have the Phallosan Forte i can not afford the SiliStretcher. So should i be using the PF at night while sleeping and a SiliSleeve post workouts to prevent turtling instead as an adequate fix? i can try and mod the PF so it includes a downward hang attached to my leg

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HELP- all the work i put in with no gains was super frustrating/demoralizing

 

[DLD]

Thank you for your response. It was very smart for you to look through SRT because this is the best routine available. If you’re going to do the full 30 days in SRT you can follow it as it is written because you have every device needed.

Your girth work out will utilize your bathmate but it will be done in the SRT methodology meaning the 5×5×3. This will be your main girth workout.

Since you do not have an LM you will have to do all the stretches manually. The stretches cover every possible angle.

You will also want to follow the healing techniques as you have stated, wearing the PF to sleep. But also remember the cock ring after girth.

I would like to see you do everything possible in SRT with what you have. Please come back with any questions you may have

 

[EAcalichamp]

dude i hella respect that you actively reply to everyone
u must have SO many messages to go thru everyday... just know that your efforts are truly appreciated
keep achieving bro!

 

[DLD]

You’re welcome and if you can do me a favor and respond to this so I can give you further directions tomorrow. If you reply it will remain in my queue and I will not forget

 

[EAcalichamp]

YOU THE MAN DLD!
so i have a bathmate but... #1 i get best results when pumping for 15-20min straight. anything less the pump goes away much faster & #2 i live with other people so privacy/amount of time in shower is a concern.
with 5x5x3 if i did 5 min in pump then 5 min SSJ , then back to 5 min in pump etc, wouldnt that include getting in the shower 3 separate times? this might not be possible since i have many housemates haha. can you effectively do SRT but with a single 15-20 min bathmate session instead?

in terms of when to incorporate the bathmate... it would be used right after jelqing work in the later part of the day? or first thing in the AM? directly after stretching or using extender?

also in your SRT training it has 2 sections: "the first two weeks" and "after the first two weeks aka full out SRT "
after the first 2 weeks, the only differences is incorporating the Bathmate and the PowerAssist stretches right? but i dont have a Power Assist so how would i do stretches that are still different from the morning routine after first 2 weeks over with no Power Assist?

lastly, i noticed that you say to go commando. i already wear pretty fitted jeans. do i need to wear basketball shorts with no underwear from now on? buy bigger jeans? this would require changing my wardrobe when i leave the house but am down to do whatever to get the gains.

thank you DLD once again!

 

[DLD]

The first two weeks can be done with the LM I just never wrote it that way but many people train that way and that is fine. But since you do not have an LM you would you all of those stretches manually. I do recommend you save up and get yourself a LM. The Lengthmaster and PowerAssist are the same.

if you’re doing the 5×5×3 there is no reason to do any other girth work. If you feel as though the 5×5×3 is not giving you enough expansion add a set or increase timing.

In SRT you want to cause the least restriction possible so you want to be sure to either wear loose fitting boxer shorts or go commando.

 

[EAcalichamp]

hey once again @DLD, ive taken your knowledge and done some research.
i realized that even though i've used pump on/off for 3 years & Phallosan for a month, i never used any manual stretches before. since i plan on doing SRT which includes using an extender , pump , and manual stretches & jelqs , I have been warned by others about overtraining/permanent injury. some say i should "prepare" my dick for the intense training. i also know that with any body work it's important to start off slow as they say.
1) do you think i should start with manual-ONLY routine for awhile? if so, how long should i do this for before adding devices & modified jelqs?
2) is it wise to do JP90 before starting SRT? even if just for 30-60 days?
3) if i do manual-ONLY routine to start for awhile, is it okay to use a cock-ring and wrapping /sleeves to cement my manual-ONLY gains?
4) i've seen some veterans preach to not use traction/extenders that use a "noose" or "loop" style... but isnt SizeGenetics exactly that? i feel like SizeGenetics is pretty reputable so it must be a different kind of "strap"...? your opinion would be great.
thanks again to the GrandMaster DLD hahaha.. u are appreicated!

 

[DLD]

You can start off with SRT because for the first months SRT is the newbie routine. It will be all manual until after 30 days. Over that first month you’ll be building a great base or foundation for further work.

The only thing that will happen if you overtrain is you will probably suffer fatigue which is actually a good thing if you’re not having sex because there’s no better time to stretch than when the penis is in the state of fatigue.

if you already have the sizegenetics and are having issues with it because of comfort I suggest you get a different attachment that will not cause these issues. The VLC is a attachment we offer that makes the sizegenetics very comfortable and easy to use.

If you have not yet purchased your SG I suggest to go for the SiliStretcher instead. The SS has many more options than the SG.

 

[EAcalichamp]

i notice my flaccid size changes a lot throughout the day... like when i have to piss, or immediately after a Phallosan session, it will hang... but then quickly shrinks immediately after pissing or taking device off

if i sit down, my dick turtles. its frustrating to take measurements cuz im not even sure what the true size is since it changes so much. if i take clothes off, sometimes i can literally watch my flaccid start to shrink into my body.

does this mean my PE isnt working? ive done a month with Phallosan like 180 hours but i dont see any gains...

 

[49-er]

i notice my flaccid size changes a lot throughout the day... like when i have to piss, or immediately after a Phallosan session, it will hang... but then quickly shrinks immediately after pissing or taking device off

if i sit down, my dick turtles. its frustrating to take measurements cuz im not even sure what the true size is since it changes so much. if i take clothes off, sometimes i can literally watch my flaccid start to shrink into my body.

does this mean my PE isnt working? ive done a month with Phallosan like 180 hours but i dont see any gains...

Why not wrap or grab yourself a sleeve to help you keep extended post workout?

 

[DLD]

When things aren’t working it’s time to make a change. I’m happy that you came out with these questions and concerns I think we can help you get on the road to making growth. You should never go more than a month or two without making growth and if you do not ask for help those people who end up quitting.

the Phallosan Is a great device for passive healing. Healing is the most important part of making growth and that is why there are many methods an SRT to bring healing.

so after you train for length you will want to wear your Phallosan for an extended period to heal. But what is it that you’re going to do as far as training? This is the main question and I advise you to look through SRT and the newbie routine to try to figure out a good start. After you’ve done that come back to me I can help you put it all together

 

[EAcalichamp]

When things aren’t working it’s time to make a change. I’m happy that you came out with these questions and concerns I think we can help you get on the road to making growth. You should never go more than a month or two without making growth and if you do not ask for help those people who end up quitting.

the Phallosan Is a great device for passive healing. Healing is the most important part of making growth and that is why there are many methods an SRT to bring healing.

so after you train for length you will want to wear your Phallosan for an extended period to heal. But what is it that you’re going to do as far as training? This is the main question and I advise you to look through SRT and the newbie routine to try to figure out a good start. After you’ve done that come back to me I can help you put it all together

i have a few tools: [waiting on shipment for SizeGenetics, cock ring, sleeves, leg strap mod for Phallosan] & already own Bathmate/Phallosan

ive been told by some vets to focus on only using extenders to do length for awhile cuz apparently newbies see a lot of growth with that. so im just confused whether to do manuals/jelqs AND extender OR just extender-ONLY. i mean i used Bathmate for 3 years but didnt see any permanent gains from it, so does that make me a newbie still?

you think it wise to do manual stretches AND use extender/tools or just focus on using tools for awhile?
i dont want to be 6 months in again with no results so...

u the man DLD!! appreciated as always

 

[EAcalichamp]

Why not wrap or grab yourself a sleeve to help you keep extended post workout?

appreciate the advice man! yup i ordered sleeves, wrap, and cock ring just waiting for them to arrive so i can implement them
how long did it take you to get the gains you saw? and did you use tools/extenders or just manuals? i am a similar starting size...

 

[49-er]

Well been on / off for years, this year since Feb been most consistant and added an inch. Tried various things over the years but bundles and manual stretches seemed to work best, just moved on to hanging to try and gain some more

 

[DLD]

i have a few tools: [waiting on shipment for SizeGenetics, cock ring, sleeves, leg strap mod for Phallosan] & already own Bathmate/Phallosan

ive been told by some vets to focus on only using extenders to do length for awhile cuz apparently newbies see a lot of growth with that. so im just confused whether to do manuals/jelqs AND extender OR just extender-ONLY. i mean i used Bathmate for 3 years but didnt see any permanent gains from it, so does that make me a newbie still?

you think it wise to do manual stretches AND use extender/tools or just focus on using tools for awhile?
i dont want to be 6 months in again with no results so...

u the man DLD!! appreciated as always

You have a lot of equipment! There is no reason that you cannot do the entire SRT routine. Have a read through it, the first post, try to get your head around it and come back with any questions. At that point and can create a kick ass routine utilizing everything you have.

 

[EAcalichamp]

Well been on / off for years, this year since Feb been most consistant and added an inch. Tried various things over the years but bundles and manual stretches seemed to work best, just moved on to hanging to try and gain some more

you didnt use an extender or jelqs or wrapping at all?
how long do i need to stay wrapped, like the whole day if im not exercising all the time?
and did you have to stop wearing pants and start wearing shorts or no underwear?
im waiting on a bunch of equipment to arrive but some vets have told me to focus only on extender for newbie gains... whats ur opinion? manuals only first or should i just do both?
thx man appreciate the advice

 

[EAcalichamp]

You have a lot of equipment! There is no reason that you cannot do the entire SRT routine. Have a read through it, the first post, try to get your head around it and come back with any questions. At that point and can create a kick ass routine utilizing everything you have.

i saw your SRT theory. it's quite extensive haha i got kinda confused by all the info; do you mind making a simpler routine i can follow everyday?
your help would be appreciated of course

 

[49-er]

you didnt use an extender or jelqs or wrapping at all?
how long do i need to stay wrapped, like the whole day if im not exercising all the time?
and did you have to stop wearing pants and start wearing shorts or no underwear?
im waiting on a bunch of equipment to arrive but some vets have told me to focus only on extender for newbie gains... whats ur opinion? manuals only first or should i just do both?
thx man appreciate the advice

No didn't use an extender could never wear one as hurt too much, did the odd Jelqs now and then but again nothing prolific, I concentrated on length and not girth as harder to make length gains with big girth.

Manuals are great way to start, once you've then exhausted you to take to new level with likes of LM or some kind of other hanger

 

[EAcalichamp]

No didn't use an extender could never wear one as hurt too much, did the odd Jelqs now and then but again nothing prolific, I concentrated on length and not girth as harder to make length gains with big girth.

Manuals are great way to start, once you've then exhausted you to take to new level with likes of LM or some kind of other hanger

how long did u do manual stretches for each day? my body is on the skinny side (6ft 170lbs) so i'm a hard gainer; i hope this doesnt make all the PE work i put in harder to see. im desparate for gains, not because i am small (i am about 6" erect/stretched flaccid) but because i've put in so much work with no gains, and ive been trying to get to 7" for awhile. so im not sure if im a newbie or not but i haven't seen any newbie gains. ive been considering SRT routine or something that requires a lot of daily work, but dont want to commit if 6 months in i see no gains again... feels like a lot of work put in going nowhere

 

[49-er]

Aimed for minimum 1hr manual stretching a day, most days 2 hrs and the on days off aimed for around 4hrs with the odd one at 6.

Does seem a lot of work and it I but conditions the penis ready for growth esp with bundle stretches. Other option is do some manual stretching and head straight into hanging

 

[DLD]

Aimed for minimum 1hr manual stretching a day, most days 2 hrs and the on days off aimed for around 4hrs with the odd one at 6.

Does seem a lot of work and it I but conditions the penis ready for growth esp with bundle stretches. Other option is do some manual stretching and head straight into hanging

Thank you so much my brother for helping out around the forum! I feel so just so good there’s somebody here answering questions when I can.

 

[EAcalichamp]

Aimed for minimum 1hr manual stretching a day, most days 2 hrs and the on days off aimed for around 4hrs with the odd one at 6.

Does seem a lot of work and it I but conditions the penis ready for growth esp with bundle stretches. Other option is do some manual stretching and head straight into hanging

sorry the wording was a bit off: "and the on off days".... how many days did u do 4-6 hours? and this is non stop/straight? or like while watching TV with short breaks in between? and when is the best time to do the exercises: morning or evening, before or after hitting the gym etc?
did u use wrapping after stretching sessions? i am considering using your routine

and yes as DLD said, thank u for the guidance. i know i have a lot of questions, just dont want my time to be wasted this time around. your patience is appreciated man

 

[49-er]

I did 1 to 2 hrs midweek in evening. Weekends was 3 to 4hrs and days off up to 6hrs, did it whilst watching TV and yea not constant as keep swapping hands/exercises. I didn't wrap post workout and I probably should of, only just started doing that now im hanging. There many manual exercises to get on with both in SRT and on the forums.

 

[EAcalichamp]

I did 1 to 2 hrs midweek in evening. Weekends was 3 to 4hrs and days off up to 6hrs, did it whilst watching TV and yea not constant as keep swapping hands/exercises. I didn't wrap post workout and I probably should of, only just started doing that now im hanging. There many manual exercises to get on with both in SRT and on the forums.

oh i was confused, you mean "off days" from your job not from exercises? did you have to switch to shorts or no underwear instead of pants?
6 hours is a long time, thats like hitting the gym for 6 hours... how do you stay concentrated/motivated?
if you did PE for 5 years, why did u not see gains until only this year?

 

[EAcalichamp]

Thank you so much my brother for helping out around the forum! I feel so just so good there’s somebody here answering questions when I can.❤

hey @DLD, when i am doing manual stretches should i be doing kegels or reverse kegels?

 

[DLD]

hey @DLD, when i am doing manual stretches should i be doing kegels or reverse kegels?

Only do reverse when you’re stretching.

 

[49-er]

I had seen some gains before but I have never been consistant until this year, 6hrs yea is long, would sit watching TV in baggy pj bottoms

 

[EAcalichamp]

I had seen some gains before but I have never been consistant until this year, 6hrs yea is long, would sit watching TV in baggy pj bottoms

ok cool. thanks for the info man, much appreciated.

when you went out (having fun, running errands) did you keep wearing baggy clothes or no underwear?
i wear fitted jeans when going out and can't really switch that.. but i can wear shorts/baggy sweats at home/while exercising PE.. hope my wardrobe for going out wont ruin my work

 

[49-er]

I'll be honest and say I've always worn them when going out, probably should really go commando at some point. However at home yea don't wear

 

[DLD]

Go Commando!

 

[EAcalichamp]

Go Commando!

hello
i notice i get email notifications from this site.
can other users see my email address or find it out from my profile here? i prefer anonymity and would like to remain private with my PE business
definitely do not want my contact info compromised

 

[DLD]

hello
i notice i get email notifications from this site.
can other users see my email address or find it out from my profile here? i prefer anonymity and would like to remain private with my PE business
definitely do not want my contact info compromised

Have no worries my friend we share no emails nor do we email anything to you unless you want to get updates and that’s up to you. I’ve always been super cautious of the brothers information

 

[EAcalichamp]

@DLD just got started on the routine!
super greatful for all the help and will keep posted about results

 

[DLD]

@DLD just got started on the routine!
super greatful for all the help and will keep posted about results

That’s awesome to hear!