Flaccid vs. Erect

[jvf1]

Ok, so what is then point of using the ace bandage all day wrap? I have been using the silistretcher and stealth head with sleeves on overnight for the same effect.
Before I read a long thread about this just now, which I tried to but didnt figure out how to post in directly. In the thread all In could glean was that this is just for increasing flaccid size. Increasing flaccid size is useless to me. All I want is increase in erect size.It could be 1” flaccid size but as long as it gets up to 7-8” erect size then I would feel like I accomplished something.
HG wrote to me “ For me flaccid length was about 1/2” ahead of erect growth“.This isnt happening for me.From 6” erect 5.9” flaccid (I had long ago figured out you just yank on it for hours whille being whacked out and flaccid would get to the same as erect-(nice when you go to a nude beach-useless when you dont anymore) Now, after doing this steadily at 3 hours with size dr.extended out to 8” way beyond max I have gotten flaccid up to 71/4 but erect has not even moved a mm. Lately, I have started this all night sleeve, which is the same as long term wrap, except you dont have to remove it every 15 mins.
So, the main question here is 1-Is this wrapping, long term or ads thing only going to bring flaccid growth? Please give me a strait answer- I would stop this asap if it is only for keeping your flaccid from turtling. I dont care how long flaccid is I just want erect length
2-Is there anything specifically length growth?
The exercises of DLds in the video. I have been doing for years and they have not gotten me any length.
Are there Anyspecific devices for length of erection growth? Would Using a device in a different way work? For example Do I need to get it erect slap on the size Dr. and make sure it is pointing up, rather than down?
Have there been people who can only get flaccid growth but not erect growth?
How long should I wait? should i go to 8” flaccid and then see if erect has gotten even a mm longer. I am sure the size dr. would make me get to a foot on flaccid but what difference would that make-It would actually be a joke. Imagine you whip out a giant flaccid then shrink down to a 6” boner.
My thinking was that keeping it stretched was how those people stretched out there ears… But that removes the idea of the tension that the tunica causes to create an erection. None of those other body modifications involve this body movement like an erection where a part specificaly tenses up to create the erection.
Do you have to get erect and then tear it apart with the length master?

 

[jvf1]

This question only can be answered by sokmeone who has actually done it. I am pretty sure that the frenulum is slowing things down. I notice that afterv a while of any exercise a massive bubble forms around the frenulum area and then anything I do after that continues to make this bigger. Like a gigantic bulbous turkey neck. It is obviously caused by the extreme tension of that thick string of skin is verses the regular skin around it.
So, has anyone here Tied off there Frenulum? Where you put a thread in it and tie it and eventually the thread falls off and the frenulum has been removed and the regular skin attaches to the head without that super thick string of skin?
If youi have can you write to me exactly how and also how is Pe work after, does it make it not possible anymore?
I know some of will say “that is crazy” “ dont do it”-You dont need to, I will choose to do it or not without your comments or even without anyone here saying anything. This is just a bquestion for anyone who has done it?

 

[huge-girth]

Get yourself a length master and use it for a minimum of 40 mins daily. Also wear your SiliStretcher for 4 hours. And do erect stretches for 10 mins every day. Kegel throughout the day as much as possible. Do this and measure after 90 days, you will see erect gains.

 

[jvf1]

HG-Are you saying dont do the size dr. because you prefer the silstretcher or do you know something that I dont.
Your program sounds good but I can onlt do the lengthmaster every other day, that sucker shreds me, I have been hanging weights in between-any problems with that and doing 4 hour n the size dr. I do that full Kegel program every day that Dld wrote. 100/1 min/50 at 5.
The erect stretches that i saw where you push it to the side and down loosen me up at the root(you must take into account factors that you guys do not have with me). At 58 you will not be able to go strait up even with Viagra or the knew stuff you shoot directly into your penis. It is not possible because of Gravity and the decades. That is why that pushing down or to the far sides seems to loosen it up at the root so I cant do that.
Is there an alternative lengthening stretch. HG-You chose to try and help me again, after giving up because I had to much shit going on or you just were not aware that this was that person? Thanks-That program I set above is what I will do, unless you have a good reason to not use the size dr. vs the sili-stretcher? Like I said the length master everyday will shred me and I do weights every other day.
But I dont know how to specifically do the weights- 20 minutes at 7lbs is what I do. Is there a better way.
Are you saying that if I dont do those 10 mins of erect stretches where you tillt force your penis to the sides and down that I wont have any erect gains? That would suck!
Also, so that wrapping all do or leaving the sili-stretcher on overnight is useless for erection and only enhances flaccid-is that what you are also saying. That would be good because that is a major hassle?
Ok, so I got another thing. I notice when I use the pump after the lengthening exercises that it seems to pull off some length and when I use the pump before I do length then the length exercise remove the width. Is this a short term thing that will go away over time?
Thanks for answering back. I did make it clear that what you and Dld and SI are dealing with is not the same deal that I am. Sorry about that, its just a fact. Also, the tunica between my age and I am assuming you are in your 20s or 30s is 3x as dense 300iu tension vs 900iu tension. That is a massive difference. I am wondering if that means I need 3x the force or 3x the amount of x per day or 3x the amount of time in months.
Oh, and what amount of erect am I looking at in 90 days if I am as close to your program as I can. 1”? I strated the program figuring once i could handle 6 hours a a day in any of the devices, without any of the other stuff, it would take 6 months to gain 2” in length. That is what I have seen in the research studies that have been done on it. But I dont know how old they were

 

[jvf1]

Another issue that is perplexing me now. After further research on this frenulum I found out that even uncircumscribed people have frenulums also. I thought it was just a tight string of skin you ended up with after you got circumscribed. So, now I am wondering if I am even doing this correctly.
I have been tryin to stretch the frenulum towards the body. 1 finger on 1 hand pushing the top part of it that is up in the head away from the body and the finger on the end in towrds the body towards the body. But if you have a foreskin how would you stretch it forward ? With all the devices they are stretching the frenulum in 1 direction towards the body(in circumcised people.
I have notice this massive bubble in that area below the head that could be likened to a turkey neck. Isnt the reason for this that the frenulum is so much thicker than the regular skin, that it is holding back the whole area that should be stretching along with everything else.
So, am I supposed to be stretching the frenulum forward. Which would push all this skin over the head. This is what stops me from doing the jelqs i go up and all the skin goes over my head and I then pull it back with the opposite hand which causes that hand to be taken up doing that instead of strating all over right after. In that back and forth 1 hand after the other motion. I side is always pulling back all the skin so it cant start the 2nd jelq. This also makes it much harder on my thumbs.
Are you supposed to just have all the skin jutting out forward over the head and not pull it back and just start the 2nd jelq without pulling te skin back.
like you were trying to create a foreskin?
If this is so, then that would seem to be pushing the frenulum forward rather than backwards towards the body?
This is a complicated issue and I cant get any specific answers from anywhere. It was web md that told me that uncircumscribed people also have tight frenulums and the way to loosen it without surgery or tying off is to stretch it forward not back?

 

[huge-girth]

Bro, your situation is too complicated and the way you write makes is even harder to read it all. I'm sorry I can't be of help

 

[DLD]

What are your questions in the simplest forms?

 

[jvf1]

Why did you even comment in the 1st place Hg-Check the name next time and dont waste my time with your comments I dont need to hear your “your situation is to complicated I cant help you“ over and over- again. If you didnt make a comment at all you wouldnt have to write the same words for no reason. Check out who the person you are commenting to or trying to give advice to. Annoying!

 

[Grandmaster]

Why did you even comment in the 1st place Hg-Check the name next time and dont waste my time with your comments I dont need to hear your “your situation is to complicated I cant help you“ over and over- again. If you didnt make a comment at all you wouldnt have to write the same words for no reason. Check out who the person you are commenting to or trying to give advice to. Annoying!

jvf1,

Try sticking to ONE method for length, and ONE method for girth. Can you do that? Please, try to keep things as simple as possible.

It is not about how many different methods or devices you use. The only thing that matters is CONSISTENCY. If you choose to use an ADS for length gains, then do it for four hours per day, every single day, AND DO NOTHING ELSE. If you choose to use a pump for girth gains, then pump for 30 minutes or so per day, AND DO NOTHING ELSE. Once you complete this routine, do not even think about PE until the next day. Then, the next day, you do EXACTLY the same routine, and you repeat this EVERY SINGLE DAY until you measure some gains. That is it! There's nothing more you should do. Just be consistent, stick to a good SIMPLE routine, and you will reap the rewards.

I have done my research on how much you can expect to gain. In the case of using an ADS for 4 hours per day, you can expect to gain 1/16th of an inch per month, or 3/4 of an inch per year, ON AVERAGE.

KEEP IT SIMPLE AND YOU WILL GET THERE!

 

[jvf1]

Questions in simplest forms. How much erect growth will I have in 90 days if I use the length master for 30 mins., size dr for 4 hours and what on earth are erect stretches. Just bending it over to the side?
Can I do these erect stretches in a mitty vac.

*Now this part is seperate, it is not questions-it is comments.You dont have to read it
For growth You would have to take into account 1-Circumscribed vs uncircumscribed, Especiallywhen you write something like
‘WHY DO SOME GUYS GROW AND OTHERS DONT“
If anyone grows than anyone at all should be able to grow
Except there are 1,000 factors to take into account and another thousand truths that are not told
EXAMPLE-this takes way more than the hours that you have to put in for the exercises=AM I RIGHT-Massive set-up, clean up-How long does it take you to get bandaged up, clean the oils off of your devices…

Let me take a guess that 3/4 of the people who stART this quit? Why? BECAUSE there are 1,000 factors and if you- DLD AND HG AND SI(MAYBE not you?)going to be the authorities you should be able to answer them
For example I tried to explain to you the difference between the tunica at 58 and 25, it is 3x as dense-now to give you a picture of what that means
The tunica is the part that tenses up to cause an erection-At 25 your erection angle may be 140-160 degrees, but at 58 your erection should be about 90 degrees-that is because the tunica is 3x as dense.
Logic dictates that this kind of thing has to be taken into account when you talk about someone growing vs. someone who doesnt-Am I right?
there are a ton of factors and if I am asking questions then I would like an answer from someone who really knows what they are talking about.

Ireally dont want anyone telling me your issues are to complex for me. I cant help. Dont answer at all, if you dont know. This is extremely hard work and any negative commenyts go and reinforce any negative ideas about the whole thing.

To give you an example of how confused some of the stuff on Mos is-I followed a thread that led me to a you tube video- On this you tube video-A supposed penis expert came on and actually said these words “You can not grow your penis after y

jvf1,

Try sticking to ONE method for length, and ONE method for girth. Can you do that? Please, try to keep things as simple as possible.

It is not about how many different methods or devices you use. The only thing that matters is CONSISTENCY. If you choose to use an ADS for length gains, then do it for four hours per day, every single day, AND DO NOTHING ELSE. If you choose to use a pump for girth gains, then pump for 30 minutes or so per day, AND DO NOTHING ELSE. Once you complete this routine, do not even think about PE until the next day. Then, the next day, you do EXACTLY the same routine, and you repeat this EVERY SINGLE DAY until you measure some gains. That is it! There's nothing more you should do. Just be consistent, stick to a good SIMPLE routine, and you will reap the rewards.

I have done my research on how much you can expect to gain. In the case of using an ADS for 4 hours per day, you can expect to gain 1/16th of an inch per month, or 3/4 of an inch per year, ON AVERAGE.

KEEP IT SIMPLE AND YOU WILL GET THERE!

3/4 per year, thanks for writing back but that is ridiculous. i will be dead within a few years-that wont do me any good-Very discouraging my friend-Thank my lucky Stars i actually dont believe any one who writes to me or I would never do anything. I can see why nobody ever tells the truth about this stuff I will bet you 90% of the people who try this quit and if i had read 3/4” per year I could have saved $3,000 per year. Fuck-I thought you guys would have cut me off after my last diatribe. Now, I am going to be depressed. How am I supposed to erase this from my mind Fuck! FuckQ! Fuck! I am an Old motherfucker I dont have time. 6 months is to much time to sit around focusing on this. It takes me 8-10 hrs just to do the 3 hours attach and lengthmaster and pump 2x. I have made my apt. off limits to other humans. This shit is embarrassing. I have taken the last 2 years off from everyone. I dont know if my kid even knows if I am alive. I cut off my friends in case they wanted to visit.
Fuck, tell me exacvtly where you got your research from. Exactly, I have gto look this up and find a way to refute it or I will quit.
SERIOUSLY, you have broken 1 of my arms and legs You have to give me the researcg sources. I cant have this in the air without reading it for myself. If this is the truth then I have to quit before I have no-one left in my life.
Damn! The way I wrote I sounded like an asshole even to myself. I really did not expect to ever be able to comment on here again or have especially you comment back to me.
I am really shook up, if this is the truth, then the truth sucks ass and I would have preferred to not hear it. Why do I ever ask fucking questions.
My research said 1.9” in 6 months at 6 hours a day-1 device-ads, simple size genetics type. It was a research study in a lab and of course, it was take home until the end of the 6 months. The conclusion said-it does not seem to be worth the effort for such a small amount of gain, and there is no evidence any more than 1.9” can be gained.
To me 1.9” is 2”-that is a ton 6-8-that actually brings you from the category of 50%-average is from 5-7 then 15% are 7” and above and the lucky 2% are 8”-To me that is massive but 3/4” barely gets me to the upper 50%. Besides that does nothing when you are having sex
Damn it Hg-you said you couldnt help me and that was it, so now you turn around and hurt me-Fuck
I have written a load of these things and said I dont have much time. Did I not sound serious. I will not be alive much longer, that is just fact. I dont want to get much older than this. I lived my life hard enough and intense enough that I expected to be dead at 40 but no life had to torture me for another 18 years and finally I have just decided all I want is some good sex before I do and this 6” by 5” half dead dick isnt cutting it and when I say the woman I am with are not small I am taking about woman who have sex for a living.
Damn you, why. I really thought you would have read that and said Fuck this asshole I cant help him.
Didnt I even say it was going to be way harder for me that the tunica at 58 is 3x as dense. So, maybe I cant even get 3/4 in the next 10 lifetimes.
Let me add something else on to my problems for you HG-Do you know what FUPA is Fat in the pubic area. Yah, again when you get past a certain age you usually put on some weight and where does it all go around your gut and some goes around your dick. that is fupa and Fupa makes your dick look even smaller and it probably even makes you have less usable penis also. I havent checked that, I wouldnt know how to anyway.

OK, I am going to ask you to HELP me 1 more x, after this NMW I write-just look at it as all a blabberemouth who cut everyone off to do this task, who is just writing down the crap that is passing thru his mind. I will try not to write or ask any more questions.
Just tell me exactly where you saw this research, I need to check all the variables so I can either refute it or quit this . I dont have time for 3/4 of an inch in a year. I dont believe it but I have to see the evidence
Did I tell you I have been at this for 2 years already and have been steady for 4 months. Fuck-
So, this is the last thing any of you should write to me Where DO I SEE THIS 3/4” per year information. I have to verify this myself

 

[jvf1]

You see. The shit I write is ridiculous.
HG-I want the exact research sources that you found out this 3/4” a year.
That is all I will ask.
This is important. If I dont see this research for myself I will probably let it effect my mind and may even quit after so much work I have already done. I dont want to quit but I am to old to do this for 2 more years

 

[huge-girth]

There is no direct answer as per how much erect gains you will make it you use the length master for 30 mins and wear the size doctor for 4 hours. You will gain for sure but no one can tell you how much gains.

Why not apply for my coaching service let me coach you will just the length master? We don't need the size doctor. Apply for my coaching service. If you apply, you will have to use the length master daily for 1 hour (20mins X 3).

You cannot do the erect stretches with a penis pump. To perform the erect stretches, get yourself erect and grab your erect penis at the base. Pull it to the right side and hold the pull for 30 to 60 seconds. Repeat it 3 times to the right, 3 times to the left and 3 times to the Center.

 

[Grandmaster]

You see. The shit I write is ridiculous.
HG-I want the exact research sources that you found out this 3/4” a year.
That is all I will ask.
This is important. If I dont see this research for myself I will probably let it effect my mind and may even quit after so much work I have already done. I dont want to quit but I am to old to do this for 2 more years

Okay, so I will post a couple of links to back up my claims, so you can see for yourself.

In this study, they did not record erect length gains, but since the tunica is extremely tough, BPFSL gains made strictly on tunica correlate fairly well with BPEL gains, as you will see in the second link.

In the link below, it states:

• The men’s average stretched penile length was 9.62cm (3.79 inches) at baseline and had increased by 18 per cent to 11.32 cm (4.45 inches) in month 12.

This is a difference of 0.66 inch ON AVERAGE, which means some guys gained slightly more, and some guys slightly less, within a 12-month period, extending between 4-5 hours per day.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090305080516.htm

The next scientific article is from pubmed, which is about as reliable as you can get. As you can see in this article, because these are likely pure tunica gains, the BPFSL and BPEL gains are not far off at all, a difference of only 0.1 on average. The average erect length within a 6-month period is 1.2 cm, or 2.4 cm in a 12-month period, if you assume that gains are linear, which most evidence suggests that they are. 2.4cm, on average, converts to 0.94 inch in 12 months, wearing the device for 4-6 hours per day.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25809129/

Now, what I did is I took the average of both averages, 0.66" and 0.94", which is 0.8", or roughly 3/4". I am trying to be as realistic as possible, so this is the figure I came up with, based on this evidence. Of course, some men have gained slightly more, some slightly less, but I don't care about the outliers. I only care about the averages. You can probably lean more towards the pubmed study, as it is more "reliable", but the average is still less than 1 inch per year, extending an average of 5 hours per day.

If you have made significant gained from lig stretch, and you have already exhausted your newbie gains, and gains have become slower, the REALITY is that this is what you can expect in terms of gains going forward. IT TAKES A LONG FUCKING TIME.

Most guys have a good growth spurt in the first year or so, and then the REAL work begins, where gains become very slow, and you have to be extremely determined to gain that NEXT inch. This is the reality of PE, whether you like it or not. So let go of your illusions. This is the reality that you are facing, the reality that you need to come to terms with. There are no shortcuts. This is what it is.

If it is not worth the effort, then just have fun brother. You are above average anyway. Don't let this bullshit hold you back from enjoying the rest of your life. Most women don't care anyway. This is all for male ego and nothing more. Enjoy your life.

Take it easy.

 

[jvf1]

Great Info. But it is worth the effort and above average is ridiculous. Cmon I have had a lot of Sex at least for the 1st 40 years and it just never felt right. They can pop a baby out of there. Most women do care, they just know better not to say it. Imagine how flattened your ego would get.
i am only sleeping with escorts, they definitely care and have no problem joking with you about How big you are? Which I take as a joke meaning I know I am small but lets have fun anyway. However, it does have an effect and it bugs me in the back of my mind. I am not going to be out there dating, trying to pick up women and seeing if we can get passionate with each other and then maybe it vwouldnt matter. Ity is alsoneasy to give an orgasm by tongue.
However, you 2 are way above average so you dont know what I am talking about anyway. To quote this 1 guy who said it perfectly—“Size does matter-It is the same thing as saying beauty doesnt matter”. Neither of them may matter in the course of Love. They dont even really matter when you are picking someine up to get laid or hooking up with someone.
I already had my fun that way, That is over.
I am now in a different War-The Battle of Love(the Taoists talk about in some of their sex mauals) is a different typw now.
If it has to be that slow then I hope I dont die along the way. It would be ridiculous if people found all this penis growing stuff around my apt after I die.
You have to admit, this stuff is never explicitly stated, not even by MOS-that it would take so long and require so much effort and pain.
Well, obviously I cant stop, that would be ridiculous

 

[jvf1]

IT TAKES A LONG FUCKING TIME-Should be written at the begginning of every sales item for this stuuf

 

[Grandmaster]

IT TAKES A LONG FUCKING TIME-Should be written at the begginning of every sales item for this stuuf

You have to have patience. Be consistent with your routine. Do not overcomplicate things. KEEP IT SIMPLE! Choose one method for length and one method for girth, and do that every single day. See what happens in a couple of months.

I hope you take my advice, because, if you don't, then there is nothing else I can say. You will end up having so many problems and people will not be able to help you.

 

[DLD]

You have to have patience. Be consistent with your routine. Do not overcomplicate things. KEEP IT SIMPLE! Choose one method for length and one method for girth, and do that every single day. See what happens in a couple of months.

I hope you take my advice, because, if you don't, then there is nothing else I can say. You will end up having so many problems and people will not be able to help you.

Patience is a virtue and totally necessary to a successful pe journey

 

[jvf1]

Grandmaster-Everyone can not have patience or patience would not be called a virtue which seperates it from other forms of behaviour.
I try to have patience but i dont seem to be able to do it for long.
Someone said there are no shortcuts-that is not true-there are short-cuts for everything. The whole modern world is built on 1 primary principle,Short cuts how to do more, faster at all times. My communication device changes every fucking year. Faster,less bugs… A shortcut-I have a library in my pocket, a connection to people around the world, maps…
I have taken shortcuts all my life and I have gotten to places faster and gotten better at things than most and even almost all in some things.
My shortcut has always been creating an obsession. Doing 5x as much work, for 5x as long as anyone else doing what I was doing. I just become relentless. It worked with guitar, lifting weights.It worked so much on stretching my limbs that I became double jointed.

The downside of this (I dont advise this type of thing for anyone who isnt a Freak or has some serious issues. Like me!) is that at some point, you overload and cant take it anymore and have some kind of breakdown or you just quit out of the blue or worse you do long-term damage to your body. The costs have all come later in my life. However I would do the same thing if I could do it over again.
However, at this age Sex is a last times issue thing and this penis size thing is an extra thing.6” is enough they say(I dont believe that) so I dont have to do this. I also dont have to have sex anymore. I dont wake up and leave my apartment with 1 goalin mind no matter what I else I have to do, to hook up by the evening. That mad desire is gone(it sucks in my opinion, but it actually is not in control of my existence anymore, like it has been all my life). So, my thinking has been. This doesnt matter in any way. I dont need to get bigger and I could even quit sex for that matter. But, Sex is all I have left. I cant go partying anymore, drugs took that away I cant do any of that because of addiction. I cant go anywhere fun anymore. Fun people are all partiers. I had to cut all my friends off over the years because they dont seem to remember not to pass the joint to me or try to get me to just try 1 hit 1 more time for old times sake or have 1/2 a shot its New years, My birthbday…
So, even if I was to break my dick-it doesnt matter. !st of all, the fucking thing already has medical problems.
So, i was looking for shortcuts

Inassumed that the lengthmster was short-cut, weight hanging was a short-cut, jelquing is a short-cut because all yo really have to do is attach a good ads for 4-6 hrs day for 6-months to a year and you will gain 3/4-1.9” in erect gain. So, what is qll this other stuff for but shortcuts, am I right?

However, you are right I am going to expect to work for longer time period but if there are any shortcuts that really work anyone out there can tell me. But no surgery!

 

[Grandmaster]

jvf1,

Your main problem is that you are trying to do too much at once. You are doing manuals, you are stretching with the lengthmaster, you are hanging with the lengthmaster, you are using the sizedoctor, you are pumping, you are jelqing, you are... you are probably doing more things. For some reason, in your mind, you seem to think that the more devices you use, the faster your gains will come. In a war, you can bring all the best weapons, the best tanks, the best heavy artillery... if you do not have the right plan, it does not matter how good your weapons are, you are going to get fucked!
When it comes to PE, you do not have a well thought-out plan. Your strategy is attack, attack, attack! And then attack some more! You attack so fucking much, that you end up hurting yourself, causing injuries, blisters, pain, etc... and then you come on the forum and write about all of the issues you are having expecting people to help you, when guys on here have REPEATEDLY told you that your routine is too complicated and that it would be a wise idea to tone it down a bit and follow a STRUCTURED routine.
If I tried to do the shit that you are doing, there is no way my unit would be able to handle all of that stress from multiple devices all at once. When I was hanging, do you know how long it took me to work my way up to 4 hours per day? It took 3 months for my tissues to adapt to the stress. Three fucking months! If I had tried to take SHORTCUTS and do all of that from the first day, there is a 100% GUARANTEE that I would have serious problems. So imagine the shit that YOU are doing. And you are wondering WHY you are having issues? Are you serious dude? That is what I mean by shortcuts. You do not have patience, you want everything to happen NOW, NOW, NOW... PE does not work that way, and if you have that mindset going forward you are doomed to fail. I PROMISE YOU THAT. You need to simplify your life and come up with a structured routine that you can do every single day, that you will not deviate from. You have to have the discipline to stick to it. There are plenty of brothers here that can help you with that. Ask for help. My concern is that you are just going to ignore everyone's advice and do all the wrong things again, and if that is the case, then nobody can help you. In the end, it is your decision, but do not complain about future issues if you refuse to listen.
I suggest you do some manuals for length, and spend 4+ hours in an ADS per day (work up to this slowly). I do not like doing length and girth at the same time because it creates too many problems such as excess fatigue, pain, discomfort, etc. But if you insist on doing girth as well, do the 5x5x3. DO NOT ADD ANYTHING ELSE!
If you do not like my advice, you can ask around. There are plenty of guys here, I am sure, who would be happy to help you.
I hope you see the error in your ways and make some changes.
All the best.

 

[DLD]

Great response

 

[jvf1]

So, you are saying dont do length and girth at the same time. That i should just do
30 mins on length master
and 4 hours on size dr-ads

and then dont do any weights or any girth?

 

[jvf1]

That is from Grandmaster I believe. You are correct about 1 thing I may or may not follow anyones advice. I dont think I come here and complain I coke here and lay out some facts and then askn for some answers to questions. I never say I am going to follow anyones advice when they give it but that doesnt mean I dont take all of your input seriouslu and I am modifying what I do because of the input from you-GM and HD and DLD and SI-I am not going to write your whole nicknames all the time.
Thanks for all the advice-it will subconsciously effect me even if it does not outwardly direct me.

 

[jvf1]

I dont think you all hear me clearly. I probably write like crap.
I have changed massively in the last 3 months. All that took was you all to convince I should not be working thru blisters, my solution mau not be to your way of thinking but I have solved the blister problem, not by cutting back but by figuring out a way to make a cover that will completely prevent blisters no matter what I do. It has completely worked.
No matter What I do-if this can actually happen and it is not crap. I will make it happen. If I get damaged in the process that is fine. I dont care.
I am 58, I dont have much time left so this is not a long term thing for me, like you guys who are younger.
Thats all you have to understand I appreciate all the slow downs, the patiences and you gotta do it different and do it right but you just have to really pay attention to this I am FUCKING OLD I will be dead soon, i am trying to get there a lot quicker than you because I dont think I can do amny of this while I am in the grave.
I am not disagreeing with you on the idea of patience. Or that I am overloading and over-complicating I am just trying to get you to help me do it, thats all. Whether it is slow or fast I cant control all I can control is what I do and how much I do it.
I dont know if you have heard this——next paragraph—

 

[jvf1]

When you are 58 your tunica is 3x as dense as in your 20s-so that automatically should give you the idea-OH, the Tunica is thaT THICK 5% ELASTICITY shit that we try to shred with the length master-My Tunica has barely any elasticity. So, it is obviuosly going to be much harder.
If you are 28 and you work for 2 years you will be 30-still a young pup. I will be 60. 73 is the average life span. I never took care of myself in the slightest. I expected to be dead by 40, I wasnt so I tried to make myself dead by 50. It didnt work. So, i started to revive from my 15 years major depression and I then found that I had ed, couldnt run half a mile, had to have 6 major surgeries in a row and sex was not good anymore. The dr. Gave me meds and a pump and rings. It didnt work like he said it would. I found this and just focusing on this has made me get over depression for the last 2 years.
Now, that still doesnt say that sex will get better if i do or dont get any bigger because I have other serious issues. If you take meds for depression, you should already have ed. I didnt i believe because I have done Kundalini yoga for 30 years and is like 1 continuous kegel exercise with breathing techniques.
However, now at 58-this tunica 3x dense issue will not allow an angle of more than 110 degrees in the 1st place

 

[jvf1]

That brings me to this for HG- So, HG for 1 thing there is no way I can quit the sized Dr. I am working on modifying this thing and seeing if I can make it better. I have already created an enclosure for the open end. It has increased my flaccid length from 6-71/4 in 3 months at only 3 hours a day. When I can get it up to 6 hrs a day, that is when I will start my 6 month testing period. Just like those experiments I will then see if 6 hrs a day in my ads the size dr. Modified will get me 1.9” in erect length.
According to the experiments I should be able to do that in 6 months.
But I am going to do the lengthmaster for 30-40 mins before.
As you can see, I am not hurting myself anymore at 21/2 hrs when I start to feel a little to much pain I remove the size dr. That is because of you guys. Seriously if you guys ha not kept saying chill out I would have been trying to force my self to 6 hours a ady no matter how mauch pain or blisters happened. I dont know how lnog itv will take to get to 6hrs. If I am not there in 3 months I will switch to 3 hrs sizedrs and 3 hrs in the sili-stretcher because they are much different. The sili has no traction so it si much lighter.

 

[jvf1]

To much writing
For Hg- Let us say I am bored with adult entertainment and i cant get an erection for long enough to do this erect work. Where you bend it to the sides.
Hear me out before you make a negative response in your head.
Wouldnt using the mitty vac and a relly tight tube be the same idea. In the mitty vac I will be in the erect state for as long as i keep the pressure up enough. Then I can take the tube and bend it to the side in the same exact way that you bend the penis to side in the erect exercises with your hand. Grandmaster must not be aware I cant use my hand a lot because of Carpal tunnel.
But you see what I am nsaying her. It is the same thing.If it is not the same thing, then tellme why so I can clear up my faulty thinking.
That is the way I am doing it for now.
Dont forget-I bhave ed because I have notdone anything for 15 years of depression so it has becomensome kind of physical blood flow problem on top of that I take 3 SSRIs which all cause you to not get or keep an erection and you will understand why I am trying to find an alternative for the hand erect exercises
Is this not the same to all of you. If not why not?

Another thging, those people in the studies and the 1 in the study I saw never did any extra things no length exercises, no length master. Just ads. So, you should not need that but you are telling me it is necessary.
I am saying I cant and if you guys ever get otherv people with these issues what will you say? We must like for alternatives, for everybody.
ok

 

[Grandmaster]

jvf1,

I understand that you want to rush things because you feel like you're old. Personally, I don't think 58 is that old.

Anyway, my whole point about everything I wrote, is that PE is not something you can rush. It will happen when it happens, but in the meantime, the most important thing is to be consistent with a solid routine, and have some patience. That is the best thing you can do.

That is my advice, take it or leave it. I am sure a lot of brothers would tell you the same.

 

[jvf1]

1 last thing- About this wrapping-Is this just to keep your flaccid length-flaccid length is not a problem I have already gained 11/4” flaccid. Will wrapping help me erect growth. If it will then can I use that black tape I cant get the ace bandages to hold well.
If I wrap myself with that black tape the only oiption for leaving it on is overnight. Will it do damage if I leave it on overnight

 

[jvf1]

58 is old to me, I should clarify myself. I dont think it is old for other people but I dont have much similarity with other people because of the way I chose to live my life or some would say my unconscious pushed me to live my life with no Patience as though eevery minute would be my last and expecting to be dead at anytime.
Thanks-Now-see if you can answer a couple of my specific questions please-length exercise in mityy vacc-the only way I can do them or stop because it is anbwaste
wrapping-overnight is it ok, dangerous and is it useless anyway for erect length

 

[Grandmaster]

I have no experience with the mity vac, so I cannot comment on that. Maybe another brother could.

As far as staying wrapped after your session, it certainly cannot hurt, but it will not produce any gains, either. I usually stay wrapped for a couple of hours after my session, and then remove it. It just helps keep you elongated for longer. I like doing it, but it is really not necessary, in my opinion. There is no outward force on the target tissues, it is more like a squashing effect, or an artificial elongation. I suspect that it will do nothing for actual gains. I do it because I like it, but I do not believe that it has any real merit, and I certainly would not sleep with it on either.

 

[MoreHunger]

FWIW I’m in my 50s and am on the higher end of the gains range. You’d be wise to heed the recommendations I’ve seen offered on this thread. I started just under two years ago. The biggest recommendation I can make from my own experience is to be consistent. Monitor your progress and make changes when necessary. If you’re feeling fatigue (not pain!) regularly, you’re doing it right. My current routine is very simple. Hang, stretch, clamp, wear a sleeve as long as possible during the day. I spend between 1 and 2 hours doing that consistently every day and take a rest every 5 days or so.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

jvf1,

I understand that you want to rush things because you feel like you're old. Personally, I don't think 58 is that old.

Anyway, my whole point about everything I wrote, is that PE is not something you can rush. It will happen when it happens, but in the meantime, the most important thing is to be consistent with a solid routine, and have some patience. That is the best thing you can do.

That is my advice, take it or leave it. I am sure a lot of brothers would tell you the same.

I agree with your advice.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

jvf1,

Your main problem is that you are trying to do too much at once. You are doing manuals, you are stretching with the lengthmaster, you are hanging with the lengthmaster, you are using the sizedoctor, you are pumping, you are jelqing, you are... you are probably doing more things. For some reason, in your mind, you seem to think that the more devices you use, the faster your gains will come. In a war, you can bring all the best weapons, the best tanks, the best heavy artillery... if you do not have the right plan, it does not matter how good your weapons are, you are going to get fucked!
When it comes to PE, you do not have a well thought-out plan. Your strategy is attack, attack, attack! And then attack some more! You attack so fucking much, that you end up hurting yourself, causing injuries, blisters, pain, etc... and then you come on the forum and write about all of the issues you are having expecting people to help you, when guys on here have REPEATEDLY told you that your routine is too complicated and that it would be a wise idea to tone it down a bit and follow a STRUCTURED routine.
If I tried to do the shit that you are doing, there is no way my unit would be able to handle all of that stress from multiple devices all at once. When I was hanging, do you know how long it took me to work my way up to 4 hours per day? It took 3 months for my tissues to adapt to the stress. Three fucking months! If I had tried to take SHORTCUTS and do all of that from the first day, there is a 100% GUARANTEE that I would have serious problems. So imagine the shit that YOU are doing. And you are wondering WHY you are having issues? Are you serious dude? That is what I mean by shortcuts. You do not have patience, you want everything to happen NOW, NOW, NOW... PE does not work that way, and if you have that mindset going forward you are doomed to fail. I PROMISE YOU THAT. You need to simplify your life and come up with a structured routine that you can do every single day, that you will not deviate from. You have to have the discipline to stick to it. There are plenty of brothers here that can help you with that. Ask for help. My concern is that you are just going to ignore everyone's advice and do all the wrong things again, and if that is the case, then nobody can help you. In the end, it is your decision, but do not complain about future issues if you refuse to listen.
I suggest you do some manuals for length, and spend 4+ hours in an ADS per day (work up to this slowly). I do not like doing length and girth at the same time because it creates too many problems such as excess fatigue, pain, discomfort, etc. But if you insist on doing girth as well, do the 5x5x3. DO NOT ADD ANYTHING ELSE!
If you do not like my advice, you can ask around. There are plenty of guys here, I am sure, who would be happy to help you.
I hope you see the error in your ways and make some changes.
All the best.

I think I agree with this. I gained BPEL: 0.4" in 16 days (from 5“ to 5,4") doing only the Newbie routine stretches with help from a broomstick. But increasing the intensity as I progressed, and later only doing bundled stretches. I keep going with this routine.

I think the more simple your routine is, the more consistent and more discipline, you are going to be about doing PE. And that will create results.

Remember @jvf1 we are here to help.

 

[Grandmaster]

I think I agree with this. I gained BPEL: 0.4" in 16 days (from 5“ to 5,4") doing only the Newbie routine stretches with help from a broomstick. But increasing the intensity as I progressed, and later only doing bundled stretches. I keep going with this routine.

I think the more simple your routine is, the more consistent and more discipline, you are going to be about doing PE. And that will create results.

Remember @jvf1 we are here to help.

SIM,
Right on the money. I believe that when a guy gets this, he is already more than halfway there. Having the right mindset is the most important thing, because when you understand and accept how this works beyond newbie gains, you will not be as discouraged when gains slow down. If you stick to it, no matter what, you will continue to gain, and reach your goals eventually.
I have been using an ADS since the new year and have gained 1/8 inch in BPFSL. I will do an official BPEL measurement at the end of March. Since getting back into PE at the beginning of the new year, I have been consistently gaining 1/16th every month, extending 4 hours per day. Now, granted, that does not sound like much (laughable compared to my quick newbie gains), but those "quick gains" are long gone, and I accepted that a long time ago.
Some guys will have this attitude of "the hell with it, it is not worth it," and just give up. The way I see it, gains are slow, okay, sure... but 1/16th per month is ONE FULL INCH in 16 months. THAT is my motivation. One full inch is a huge difference.
It is all about attitude, and having the right knowledge.

I never heard of anyone using a broomstick before. Sounds creative. What are you doing with it? A-stretch? DLD Blasters? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. As long as it is working.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

SIM,
Right on the money. I believe that when a guy gets this, he is already more than halfway there. Having the right mindset is the most important thing, because when you understand and accept how this works beyond newbie gains, you will not be as discouraged when gains slow down. If you stick to it, no matter what, you will continue to gain, and reach your goals eventually.
I have been using an ADS since the new year and have gained 1/8 inch in BPFSL. I will do an official BPEL measurement at the end of March. Since getting back into PE at the beginning of the new year, I have been consistently gaining 1/16th every month, extending 4 hours per day. Now, granted, that does not sound like much (laughable compared to my quick newbie gains), but those "quick gains" are long gone, and I accepted that a long time ago.
Some guys will have this attitude of "the hell with it, it is not worth it," and just give up. The way I see it, gains are slow, okay, sure... but 1/16th per month is ONE FULL INCH in 16 months. THAT is my motivation. One full inch is a huge difference.
It is all about attitude, and having the right knowledge.

I never heard of anyone using a broomstick before. Sounds creative. What are you doing with it? A-stretch? DLD Blasters? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. As long as it is working.

Really intesting to read.
I do the regular Newbie stretches with the broomstick, but I have switched all the stretches to bundled stretches now. I use it with the same principle you would use the power assist 2. I have a video about the routine in my Logbook.

I get more leverage, and I do not need to pull so far behind my body.

Indeed you want consistency with PE.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Some guys will have this attitude of "the hell with it, it is not worth it," and just give up. The way I see it, gains are slow, okay, sure... but 1/16th per month is ONE FULL INCH in 16 months.

In the beginning I was questioning if it was worth it (so much time...and so on), but @hugh-girth helped me to stick with it. He was always there to answer my questions...and they where plenty. Without him, I don't think I would have been seeing the results I see today.
He have been a good mentor (Definition: an experienced and trusted adviser) to me.

You need motivation, discipline and you need the brotherhood to be successful in PE.
Ask specific questions when you are new, is a good way to get started in PE.
This is at least my experience.

 

[Grandmaster]

In the beginning I was questioning if it was worth it (so much time...and so on), but @hugh-girth helped me to stick with it. He was always there to answer my questions...and they where plenty. Without him, I don't think I would have been seeing the results I see today.
He have been a good mentor (Definition: an experienced and trusted adviser) to me.

You need motivation, discipline and you need the brotherhood to be successful in PE.
Ask specific questions when you are new, is a good way to get started in PE.
This is at least my experience.

It is never a bad thing to have a mentor, especially in the beginning, when you are inexperienced. The brotherhood can help boost your confidence and give you motivation to keep you on the right track. But at the end of the day, you are responsible for your own success. Only YOU can make it happen. As you gain more experience, and know what to expect, you will find that you won't need much support, if any. True success will depend on how much effort and consistency you put in. At some point, you will become your own guru, if you keep at it long enough.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

But at the end of the day, you are responsible for your own success.

Absolutely.

 

[DLD]

I agree with your advice.

Me too

 

[jvf1]

FWIW I’m in my 50s and am on the higher end of the gains range. You’d be wise to heed the recommendations I’ve seen offered on this thread. I started just under two years ago. The biggest recommendation I can make from my own experience is to be consistent. Monitor your progress and make changes when necessary. If you’re feeling fatigue (not pain!) regularly, you’re doing it right. My current routine is very simple. Hang, stretch, clamp, wear a sleeve as long as possible during the day. I spend between 1 and 2 hours doing that consistently every day and take a rest every 5 days or so.

So, your routine is nothing like what these others are doing. That is inconsistent with the advice given.. You hang weights and no-one else has even recommended that. So, tell me how to hang weights from beginner to whatever. I can hang 7lbs for 10 minutes before it gets ti be to much. I have noticed small flaccid gain from weights.
Since you have only caught a small piece of what I have written. I have already gained 11/4” flacid using a variety of techniques together. I think everyone is not seeing THIS- I have already gaines 11/4” in flaccid. Flaccid gain is useless to me. No erect gain.
Some of you wrote to me, take it easy, have fun this is just an ego thing. NO-it is not an ego thing for me, it is a sex thing. Pleasing the other person-a woman in my case, is the only reason to go from 6” to anything more. If I whip out my 5 foot flaccid dick and it shrinks to 6” then I would crack up at myself.
The way I have been doing it has not even gotten me to my goal for activity. I can still only do 3 hours on the size dr. I wont start the 6 month period that I have seen recorded in experiments that has worke for people to gain 1.9” inn erect size. I dont believe you can get more than that but that is quite a bit to me. That would be 25% more. As for girth, I still have a hard time believing that you can actually permanently grow girth. That is even more important than length but it just doesnt make any sense to me, even after the guys in hear have explained why and how. I can see how you might be able to continue expanding how much blood you can pump into there maybe until its a balloon but that is just blood vessels getting stretched wider. The thin tube that runs down the center that can definitely stretch. I have already stretched it a long way(not erect, just flaccid does not seem like it can get wider. Maybe, I am looking at it mistakenly. Are you not taking about the super tough this thread like thing that runs down the center or are you talking about the blood vessels area permanently getting larger and not shrinking back down after a day.
Still, you are talking about a whole different way of doing things than HG.
When you say I have already gained on the larger side what does that mean-have you gained 1.9” in ERECT length? Should i actually believe what you say, Mr. After 50 when your tunica should be 3x as thick as these other peoples.
What size were you in the 1st place. What were your reasons? How long did it take. Is hanging what primarily did it. Not Flaccid length, I can get that fairly easily. Allright thanks for the comment.
No comment can give a person patience if they have no patience in the 1st place and have accomplished many thing without having patience.
Everything is a long term. Lerning how to play the guitar well enough to play in a group and tour and earn money takes some people a long long time. I did it much quicker, because I had no patience anbd just practiced longer and harder and listened to all advice and looke for every shortcut.
Everyones qdvice is always taken into consideration.
Patience is the key thing you all are saying-We can leave that out, because I will or I will not have patience, that issue is between me and my psyche.
I am asking about specific questions, of course it is in between a whole bunch of blabber, that is another thing about me. No matter how much I write I still dont feel like I am getting my point or my question across.

In the beginning I was questioning if it was worth it (so much time...and so on), but @hugh-girth helped me to stick with it. He was always there to answer my questions...and they where plenty. Without him, I don't think I would have been seeing the results I see today.
He have been a good mentor (Definition: an experienced and trusted adviser) to me.

You need motivation, discipline and you need the brotherhood to be successful in PE.
Ask specific questions when you are new, is a good way to get started in PE.
This is at least my experience.

You have on ly been here si

 

[jvf1]

SIM,
Right on the money. I believe that when a guy gets this, he is already more than halfway there. Having the right mindset is the most important thing, because when you understand and accept how this works beyond newbie gains, you will not be as discouraged when gains slow down. If you stick to it, no matter what, you will continue to gain, and reach your goals eventually.
I have been using an ADS since the new year and have gained 1/8 inch in BPFSL. I will do an official BPEL measurement at the end of March. Since getting back into PE at the beginning of the new year, I have been consistently gaining 1/16th every month, extending 4 hours per day. Now, granted, that does not sound like much (laughable compared to my quick newbie gains), but those "quick gains" are long gone, and I accepted that a long time ago.
Some guys will have this attitude of "the hell with it, it is not worth it," and just give up. The way I see it, gains are slow, okay, sure... but 1/16th per month is ONE FULL INCH in 16 months. THAT is my motivation. One full inch is a huge difference.
It is all about attitude, and having the right knowledge.

I never heard of anyone using a broomstick before. Sounds creative. What are you doing with it? A-stretch? DLD Blasters? Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. As long as it is working.

I could be dead in 16 months bro. You see what I mean, the difference in our ages and also in the way I view life and the way In see my life especially makes 16 months a massive chunk of time to do this. I am 58-close to 59-in 16 months I will be over 60.Average lifespan is 73. I am already so fucked up that I am shocked If I make it to 60. I am imagining 65. That gives me 6 years. I am not doing anything until I gain 1.9” and hopefully some girth(in a way that doesnt matter because you can pump yourself up and put on a ring anytime and have girth). That only gives me a cvouple of years. So, you see, time is a REAL CONCERN in my case. We have a different amount of time left in our lives and in our goals. This is all about Sex and pleasing the other person. I dont have any of this ego thing going on. I HAVE BEEN in therapy for 1/2 of my life, this wont make any more confident in any place but in sex.

 

[jvf1]

Now, if you think Size doesnt matter to women, that may be true about women in Love and women who are married(even then I am not sure), just because all the research studies say that they mostly say 6”s is good then, like Hg said to me. Have you seen the size of the vibrators women use. Why are the buying 8, 9, 10, 12” vibrators if Size Doesnt matter. Like this other guy said saying size doesnt matter is the same as saying “beauty doesnt matter”. Again, this is about usefullness. They are not sitting around saying “ooh, look at the size of my vobrator, of course they are using it

 

[jvf1]

Now, enough bullshit. HG you stated wrapping is not going to do anything and I agree with you. I dont know if you other guys are like this but this is taking upp all my time. Seriously this takes all my time. setting up, claning up, oil all over the place pwder here and there cleaning , prepping all my stuff. putting the fucking wrap on for the lengthm,aster takes forever. I have to make a new bandage cover for my head so the vacuums dont cause blisters. I must have more sensitive or tighter skin because any of the bvacuums will cause blisters if I dont use tape and moleskin and a silicover or even a thick silicone cover. I almost run out of time. I would see I am at 100% time dedicated. I am starting to not have time to do other shit, exercise even.
The question here is the length master is Brutal, this thing is tearing me to shreds. I got a cut on my shaft the other day. It really fucking hurts after in twist but not all the time. Let me see if I am doing sokmething wrong. Do you screw the screws all the way down until 1 side is touching the other. They are flat against each other, which squeezes you into black blood pumped head. Where are you attaching in the middle, at the bottom near the head?
A big problem unless this is how it is supposed to be is there is a giant bulb of material gathering under the head making the whole penis so heavy at the front that an erection is barely holding it up.
I am not doing this at an intense level, not like the person I saw on 1 of the videos.
How do I get rid of this bulbuous thing?
Does this just happen to circumsized people because our frenulums were chopped off by the motherfuckers without our consent. Imagine how much that fucking hurt?

 

[jvf1]

Hg you hang for 4 fucking hours. How the fuck? What is that doing,does it just give you flaccid length. You dont do anything else?How long did it take to get there?

With the mitty vac-let me explain-it is just the idea of using any vacuum to get a solid erection that you can hold. I dont get excited by adult entertainment much anymore and i take anti-depressants which make it hard to keep an erection and I also have this physical ed now.
So, my only point being. I get hard in the vac, then push it all the way over to the left and right and isnt that the same idea as doing the Erect stretches with your hands. You are just bending the erection with your hand that puts pressure on the whole thing and especially at the bottom and that is the same thing I am doing with the mitty vac or any vac. The mitty vac is perfect for it, though. A long thin tube, and you have the erection from it. You keep the hand pump gripped all the way and you can push it flat to the side, the bottom, even strait up. If you the mitty end on it.
This is the only way I can do the erect stretches. Do you see why I think it is the same thing and if it is not then tell me why? So, I can think of another way.

 

[Grandmaster]

Hg you hang for 4 fucking hours. How the fuck? What is that doing,does it just give you flaccid length. You dont do anything else?How long did it take to get there?

With the mitty vac-let me explain-it is just the idea of using any vacuum to get a solid erection that you can hold. I dont get excited by adult entertainment much anymore and i take anti-depressants which make it hard to keep an erection and I also have this physical ed now.
So, my only point being. I get hard in the vac, then push it all the way over to the left and right and isnt that the same idea as doing the Erect stretches with your hands. You are just bending the erection with your hand that puts pressure on the whole thing and especially at the bottom and that is the same thing I am doing with the mitty vac or any vac. The mitty vac is perfect for it, though. A long thin tube, and you have the erection from it. You keep the hand pump gripped all the way and you can push it flat to the side, the bottom, even strait up. If you the mitty end on it.
This is the only way I can do the erect stretches. Do you see why I think it is the same thing and if it is not then tell me why? So, I can think of another way.

HG barely wrote anything. If you are referring to me, you can call me GM. I am not hanging for gains anymore. I used to hang 4 hours per day, but I recently switched to extending 4 hours per day.

What you are talking about does not make any sense. You said you are "not doing anything" until you gain 1.9" in length. So your WHOLE LIFE you've used what you have now, and all of a sudden it is not good enough? You don't want to have sex until you get the size you want, even though you "don't have much time left and you could die in 16 months"? What the hell are you talking about? You should have sex now more than ever! What is your obsession? Everyone here is working towards a larger size, but we are not going to refrain from having sex just because we haven't reached our goals yet. That is just crazy talk.
Let's say you already have the size you want and you made some whores orgasm. SO FUCKING WHAT? You are going to put in all of this time and effort just to make some whores orgasm "right before you die"? Dude, you need to get your priorities straight. You are giving me a headache just trying to understand your logic. None of this makes any sense.

Ciao bro.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

You have on ly been here si

I don't understand what you are saying.

 

[jvf1]

HG barely wrote anything. If you are referring to me, you can call me GM. I am not hanging for gains anymore. I used to hang 4 hours per day, but I recently switched to extending 4 hours per day.

What you are talking about does not make any sense. You said you are "not doing anything" until you gain 1.9" in length. So your WHOLE LIFE you've used what you have now, and all of a sudden it is not good enough? You don't want to have sex until you get the size you want, even though you "don't have much time left and you could die in 16 months"? What the hell are you talking about? You should have sex now more than ever! What is your obsession? Everyone here is working towards a larger size, but we are not going to refrain from having sex just because we haven't reached our goals yet. That is just crazy talk.
Let's say you already have the size you want and you made some whores orgasm. SO FUCKING WHAT? You are going to put in all of this time and effort just to make some whores orgasm "right before you die"? Dude, you need to get your priorities straight. You are giving me a headache just trying to understand your logic. None of this makes any sense.

Ciao bro.

 

[jvf1]

listen jack, Ciao can mean hello also, so Ciao.
i am 58, how old are you 1st. Since I have been having sex since I was 13, youre right Size didnt matter or should I say no “I dont call Women-Whores”-Women have ever said anything. I have often felt that I have fallen out to many X and of course that throws off the rythm and orgasm which is ridiculously easy for men becomes impossible for women. Got that-Understand the Reason for my own personal deal. Not every woman I have been with have orgasmed and no matter what ”shrinks” say-I do see it as my responsibility and my failure. Now, dont interject any psychobable or any negatives in here. This is the way I believe and If you look into Tantra, Taoism or many Eastern Sex Ideas you will also see this.
Now. Let me tell you a story at 40 I was in perfect Shape, never had a keep it up failure, maybe a get it up failure if I was really not attaracted to the woman. I cant put a bag over their head, nor can I or will I imagine someone else in their place-neither work for me. At 40-everything went downhil 1st knee surgery, then toes surgery-they told me this will hold you over till your old, then the other foot had surgery. Being an Obseesive lunatic I ran onto the surgerized big toes, snapped it and I could say that was the beginning of my 10 year suicidal depression with the plan of being dead by 50 if not before. Prior to this I had always lived my life as if I would be dead by 40 and never thought of life in anyway after that. It was just 1 crazy thing after another wondering when would be the day I didnt get up. Sex was what I did evrything for, everyday was doing 1 daring thing after another all to hook up somehow.
So, we go back to where i broke the surgerized(yes, I know it is not a word)toe. The PT says to me “ Man, thats pretty bad gettin a MaJOR Limb fused”. I didnt know what he meant, all I know they fused it at 30 degrees movement. It took me almost a year to learn how to walk without a limp but my running, jogging, biking, climbing, rappelling, racqetball life was over. I wanted out of life, then my other foot had to hqve surgery, they repaired 1 toe but fucked up 4 others-Yes they fucked them up. But you cant sue the VA hospital. They said this hey we willfuse the toe we fucked up and it will be the 2nd toe and at the 3rd joint nothing like the other-Bull shit. It is way worse than the other and the other 3 toes they fucked uphave caused me to never be able to buy a fitting pair of shoes since. Then all of the sudden the other knee went out. The cartialage in my body had strted to vanish. The same story we will fix it now so you dont have to worry about until you are old. This is about 5 years of constant surgery and physical downtime and by now in and out of the psych hospital for suicide attempts… Obviously I wasnt able to have sex half the time I couldnt walk. In the hospital, I came close a few times but there was always someone there to strap me down when they thought I wasnt following the rules enough. If i had 4% body fat from birth to 40 that would have been pushing it. Not a soul would have said you wont be able to exercise at all by 50 and would end up 20lbs. over weight but your whole body would be fat with minimal muscle. Then my shoulder got shoulderitis(i will be making up words from here on out to describe shit. I said no more surgeries, then my elbow got elbowitis, i then got carpal tunnel syndrome, then thumbitis came along. Thumbitis eliminates the possibility of any jelquing at all and 5x5x3 is also off the table. Shit continues downhill however I manage to have sex a few times, however twice I get a nice size joke from the pros I hook up with now. Wow. never had that before but I take it as a joke it just proves my idea of 6” being nothing is correct. But It dont matter. Until I get ED-dick death.
Flashback I started taking antidepressants back at age 30-earlier depression and these antids, stop erections and all kinds of side-effects however I dont let it stop me and the endless kegels I have been doing in Yoga work to keep it up. (they dont do shit now so dont throw that in at this point-even though I still do them all the time, or maybe I could nt even get it up at all.
Now we are at 52 still depressed but since I was a coward at 50 I feel to ashamed to think of suicide anymore like I am the idiot who cried wolf thousand time but chickened out at the last minute.
So, a few more sex times and I have the real ED a physical thing. The dr, gives me a pump some rings and some pills. They work but not fully.
At this point I notice I have Fupa-Fat at Pubic Area and see that my dick only looks like it is about 41/2“ long and that really bothers me. Somehow I am on Amazon looking at pumps and Isee these extender things. I had never even heard of pumps in my whole life let alone extenders. I start buying shit and trying it, everything breaks and i get nothing but I am perplexed and I keep following threads and they go to stores and web sites and some how I end up at MOS-Holy Fuck-This is another Universe and I am thinking I always wanted to be a adult entertainment start when I was in my 20s(when Vhs was around), where was this shit back then.
So, I buy everything Mos has and start working on this stuff but it is all sporadic and here is why-
Whammo, that knee that was supposed to be ok until I got old now needs to be completely replaced 3 years ago. The cut it in 1/2 put metal in ther and sew it back together many months befor I can do shit but I am trying to do this on and off)with blisters and cuts…). Then I get the call discs in your back are degenerating-and then in my neck now I am all fucked up, forgot what the inside of a gym looks like havent exercised in ten years and have what is called Chronic Pain, meaning my back is in constant pain. Then just this September, The same month that I decided I was going to do this everyday NMW what breaks in my body or mind. I have to have the other knee replaced. I still begin my program, my way and have not stopped.
Even though here is what happened, this knee surgery did not go well, 5 months later and i am still fucked up going up and down stairs. It is still in bad pain and is limited about 50% compared to the other which after replacement went back to about 85% of the original.
Now, let me tell you the worst part, they shifted me on the bed abruptly(though I repeated 1,000x my back is fucked I know how you guuys toss people from 1 bed to the the other after anestesia, dont do that with me). They must have done it because now I have a pinched nerve. The main nerve down the left side of the leg, which can never be fixed and now I will have to have a nerve block, who knows what kind of side effects come from that.
Now, i am fucked up to the max, take about 40 pilss a day 1/2 psych. and 1/2 for pain or actually 1/3 of that is to counter the side effects. I cant exercise, go to a gym or go out much except to PT, and the VA.
So, I havent thought about sex much for 15 years, in that time when I finally did-I actually got the “nice size”-1x I said it is average joking with her and she said “ bigger than a Chinese guys”-ridiculous but it broke the weirdness for the time. The my body gets really fucked up.
You know what helped pull me out of DEpression and back into the desire to live a bit longer. This PE shit-why? because it gave me a solid physical goal. I got psyched on accomplishing 1.9” which I still dont know if it is possible because I dont even trust my own kid, let alone other humans I have never even saw.
So, even with my back fucked and my still recuperating and being so angry I could burn the VA down I have not stopped doing this for 1 day since Sept 29th 2 days after surgery.
11/4” flaccid gains which is useless to me and 0 erect gains-0 to what looks like 4.5 is nothing. I may have surgery to remove the fat, not to look bigger but I think the fat gets in the way even. Now do I care if they joke about it to small, No-Why because I know it is to small for them. Not for all women but for the women I want to be with. I need it to be 1.9” more. Will I have sex if It dont-Yes but not until I have fully put in 110,000% and my 6 month testing period will only start when I can stay in the Size Dr, for 6 hrs(3 is the max I can do now).
Now, GH or HGH or whatever your nickname is-the way mu body has gone down hill. 73 seems like a long time to go and by then I could be crawling or something ridiculous. Do I want to have fun, yah if it will be fun. It wont be fun until I have proven whether I can or not. It probably wont be much fun if I dont get there but I will do it anyway, its the only thing I like that I can at least do.

Get it Now.

I dont understand why you guys always have to comment to me about the philosophy of this whole thing rather than answer the real questions I write(in betwee all the trash I write). I dont need to be told to have patience or told to have fun now while you can or that you have no idea what I am gtalking about. Of course you dont-no-one does, 1/2 th fucking time I dont.
Now I appreciate your philosophy tips and I ave put them into action. I never go past the point where I can feel a blister starting to form even though that leaves at 3 hours on the size dr and i have to wait to get to 6 and i dont know how fuck long this will even take.

I asked some specific questions about the lengthmaster torturing me and why?
About how the front is getting twice the size of the back and weighs so much even with the ed med I cant keep it up because of the weight. What is this bulbous thing. It is not an abnormal thing(like atumor or blister) but it dosesnt seem good ?
Why do I have to do erect stretches when in none of the experiments that worked did anyone do them?
Since I cant do them wigth my hands I have asked what you thought of my logic of using the mitty vac or any vac instead to push to the side(yes it is also with my hands but it is 100x easier, try it and you will see

 

[MoreHunger]

I have to wonder why you would be so toxic to people who genuinely want to help. I simply offered up that I’m in my 50s and have had some decent success. Try focusing on evaluating whether what people are saying works for you rather than being immediately confrontational. We don’t need a novel for you to express what you’re having trouble with. This is very simple. Try different things until you find something that works. If you’re upset that you’ve made flaccid gains (which are impressive) but you’re not seeing erect gains, you may be over-training not giving your tissue a chance to fill in what you’ve gained. Remember we don’t need a long diatribe about how nothing works and how everyone doesn’t understand. Just find a routine that works and report success or failure. We all get that it’s frustrating. I just recently broke through a 4 month plateau. How did I do it? I asked questions, got recommendations, and one of them worked. My current routine is basically 30 minutes to an hour with 15 pounds using a vacuum hanger, then 100 stretches, 15 to 20 minutes with 20 to 23 pounds with a LengthHanger, another 100 stretches, another 30 minutes at 10 to 15 pounds with a vacuum hanger. Every couple days I alternate pumping or clamping. When I’m done I try to wear an LG girth band with a sleeve overtop for as long as possible, usually 3 or 4 hours. Sleeping in the nude seems to help for me as well.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Look at this post:

https://mattersofsize.com/threads/flaccid-vs-erect.1830323/post-1926653

...at the end.

You have on ly been here si

Okey I need to be extremely clear about this, @jvf1. I do not tolerate disrespect, I need to know what you are saying about me.
What are you implying?

What does “ly“ mean?
What does "si" mean? Maybe: Sir?
And what does the entire sentence mean?

I feel offended by what you wrote. I don't even know what you wrote, or what you are implying? But I think I know.
I have been searching on the internet what, "ly" may mean. And the only thing I could find was that: ly = love you.
(One source: "https://texting.io/what-does-ly-mean-in-texting")

I'm trying to encrypt your message.
But if you are implying that, I'm loving another man I'm really offended.

If you @jvf1 are implying that I'm loving another man. That's not true.
You can feel gratitude/gratefulness for another man without "so called love".

I'm hetrosexual, and I feel attraction towards women nothing else.

I need you to explain yourself.
I thought I could let this slide, but I can't.
I don't want this kind of energy around me. It feels like you are attacking me personally.

You need to be kinder to get the help you want here on MOS.
It feels like you do not even listening on the people/brothers, that's trying to help you.

@hugh-girth have even been trying to help you, and he suggested that you could apply to his coaching service to help you. But you just ignore that?

▼See what he wrote to you down below ▼

There is no direct answer as per how much erect gains you will make it you use the length master for 30 mins and wear the size doctor for 4 hours. You will gain for sure but no one can tell you how much gains.

Why not apply for my coaching service let me coach you will just the length master? We don't need the size doctor. Apply for my coaching service. If you apply, you will have to use the length master daily for 1 hour (20mins X 3).

You cannot do the erect stretches with a penis pump. To perform the erect stretches, get yourself erect and grab your erect penis at the base. Pull it to the right side and hold the pull for 30 to 60 seconds. Repeat it 3 times to the right, 3 times to the left and 3 times to the Center.

Kind regard to you. I do not want to be aggressive towards you, but when someone is trying to disrespect me;
I need to take actions to make everything right.

If I have interpret your words incorrectly, please explain yourself. If not, I assume that you apologize to me.

If you do not want to use the length master to make gains, you can make gains in other ways. We are here to support each others, remember that.