Experiencing little to no expansion

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chorobes

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Hey guys been pumping seriously since January. I always start off erect. I use a 1.75 inch cylinder (the 1.5 inch one just was too tiny for me and I can't find a 1.65 inch one anywhere). I started off doing normal static pumping of 2 sets of 10 mins each ranging from 5-7hg. I then started doing interval pumping with 2 minute sets for a total of 20 minutes. So Id pump for 2 mins, release a little bit of pressure then pump back to 5-7hg. On my 3rd month (mid march) I decided to start touching 10hg and things were going good, definitely getting some nice expansion. It would be what a lot of people call "a hog" after coming out of the cylinder and I could immediately see and feel the difference. I'd have little to no edema also.

All that being said the last 2 weeks or so Im having trouble getting that expansion. My dick is ok, everything works as it should. Normal erection quality, get morning wood, etc. But now whenever I pump I dont see to have a hog when I come out of the tube and I feel like Im not packing the tube as good as I once was. I can definitely see and feel that its not as big as it was getting before. So I decided to go back to a static pump of the 2 sets of 10 minutes and it was the same little to no expansion.

One thing that might be the cause, and this is just a guess, but my balls attach decently high up my shaft so a good bit of my scrotum skin was always getting pulled into the tube ever since I started pumping. It didnt bother me at all(and still doesnt) but I feel like more of my ball skin goes in there now than before since its getting a slight stretch from also getting pumped. Could that be a cause of my lesser penis expansion? Can the ball skin be taking up valuable real estate in the tube and also some pressure. I ordered a silicone sleeve to put on the bottom so hopefully my ball skin wont get pulled into it anymore but I don't have it yet so I cant test it.

Does anyone else have any ideas of what might be the cause of me getting very little expansion now?
 
I don't think your balls skin is the problem. The problem could be that, your penis has adapted to the pressure you are pumping at. You need to use higher pressure than before.

Try this and let us know how it goes. I noticed that, you didn't say anything about manual girth exercises. Are you just pumping without doing any manual girth exercises?

You should be doing a mixture of pumping and Slow Squash Jelq. The 5x5x3 routine is what you need to be doing.
 
As HG said, your penis is primed and adapted at the beginning of the moderate pressure range. 5 inHg is the beginning of the growth expansion zone. 8inHg is the lower end of the upper limit. 10 inHg is where the upper safety limit is. Just by using 10 inHg for the first 2 minutes, you slam the door wide open for tissue expansion for the rest of the time.

The trick is to soften the tissues at the lower baseline that you have, which is 7inHg. On the second pumping, within that first two minutes, go up 1inHg each day to see what your barely above the comfortable pressure is, where pain should be just barely above the comfortable zone for your penile shaft. This is your new limit barrier breaker. After than first 2 minutes, reduce back down to the baseline. Notice I use the keyword "baseline" a lot. Why? That is your safety number.

As you progress, your tissues will continue to adapt. Just 2 minutes of that higher pressure will stop the body from adapting. I even test the unsafe barrier once at 16inHg using the water, and that's a bit no-no beyond 20 seconds. However, it was amazing. The inner tissues felt like it was snapping wide open for more expansion. I will slowly work up to 1 minutes down the road. However, the warning to you is, work your way up. Safely and efficiently.
 
huge-girth said:
I don't think your balls skin is the problem. The problem could be that, your penis has adapted to the pressure you are pumping at. You need to use higher pressure than before.

Try this and let us know how it goes. I noticed that, you didn't say anything about manual girth exercises. Are you just pumping without doing any manual girth exercises?

You should be doing a mixture of pumping and Slow Squash Jelq. The 5x5x3 routine is what you need to be doing.
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You are correct. I dont do any manuals because I only get about 30-45mins alone a day, just enough time to fit in about 20-25mins of pumping after getting hard and finish with a quick shower. Is there anything I can do in the shower for like 5-10mins after I pump
 
oldandlively said:
As HG said, your penis is primed and adapted at the beginning of the moderate pressure range. 5 inHg is the beginning of the growth expansion zone. 8inHg is the lower end of the upper limit. 10 inHg is where the upper safety limit is. Just by using 10 inHg for the first 2 minutes, you slam the door wide open for tissue expansion for the rest of the time.

The trick is to soften the tissues at the lower baseline that you have, which is 7inHg. On the second pumping, within that first two minutes, go up 1inHg each day to see what your barely above the comfortable pressure is, where pain should be just barely above the comfortable zone for your penile shaft. This is your new limit barrier breaker. After than first 2 minutes, reduce back down to the baseline. Notice I use the keyword "baseline" a lot. Why? That is your safety number.

As you progress, your tissues will continue to adapt. Just 2 minutes of that higher pressure will stop the body from adapting. I even test the unsafe barrier once at 16inHg using the water, and that's a bit no-no beyond 20 seconds. However, it was amazing. The inner tissues felt like it was snapping wide open for more expansion. I will slowly work up to 1 minutes down the road. However, the warning to you is, work your way up. Safely and efficiently.
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I normally do the first 5 mins at 5hg, then the next 5 at 7. Then I take a 2 minute break and start my next set off at 7 and do the last 5mins of that at 10. If I go much higher dont i enter the unsafe category of pressure
 
chorobes said:
I normally do the first 5 mins at 5hg, then the next 5 at 7. Then I take a 2 minute break and start my next set off at 7 and do the last 5mins of that at 10. If I go much higher dont i enter the unsafe category of pressure
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Let's revise your limit breaking routine based on time limitations. Since your baseline you're at now is not working for expansion, let bump the baseline up to 6inHg for the first pump. If you still feel comfortable, pump to 7inHg as the baseline.

For the second pump, wherever you are as the baseline, pump 1 inHg above that, ans remain there for 2 minutes, release back to baseline for 1 minute, and back to the higher pressure for 2 more minutes.

Last pumping, do the same thing again, but this time, it will be dynamic pumping. 1 minute at baseline, 1 minute at higher pressure. Why? Tissue reprogramming.

If you can after pumping, use both the method of an all day stretcher with a larger vacuum cup to accommodate your glans and use restrictive post pumping routine that is hidden, stressing at 1.5lbs of traction force. What you are doing is elongation and expansion at the same time, stretching every directions to max cell growth. If you need sciences to support you on this, we can talk about it in details. Try this method and monitor for expansive growth for the next two weeks. If you see growth pattern, stick with it until you plateau out. If not, we'll switch up to a different method.
 
chorobes said:
You are correct. I dont do any manuals because I only get about 30-45mins alone a day, just enough time to fit in about 20-25mins of pumping after getting hard and finish with a quick shower. Is there anything I can do in the shower for like 5-10mins after I pump
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45 minutes is enough time to do the 5x5x3 routine. You should be able to pump and do Slow Squash Jelq in 45 minutes.
 
chorobes said:
Ive tried jelqing but I get erect almost immediately and Ive heard that jelqing while erect can be dangerous right?
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Nope. It actually helps even more. When erected, you're softening the erectile tissues even more to accommodate more volumes.

The dangers is due to mechanical portion of the past routines. They over pressurize the penis using clamps and constricting pumps where the internal blood pressure went past 14inHg. This is way past the internal safety pressure limit. Blood bumps are an indicator.
 
oldandlively said:
Let's revise your limit breaking routine based on time limitations. Since your baseline you're at now is not working for expansion, let bump the baseline up to 6inHg for the first pump. If you still feel comfortable, pump to 7inHg as the baseline.

For the second pump, wherever you are as the baseline, pump 1 inHg above that, ans remain there for 2 minutes, release back to baseline for 1 minute, and back to the higher pressure for 2 more minutes.

Last pumping, do the same thing again, but this time, it will be dynamic pumping. 1 minute at baseline, 1 minute at higher pressure. Why? Tissue reprogramming.

If you can after pumping, use both the method of an all day stretcher with a larger vacuum cup to accommodate your glans and use restrictive post pumping routine that is hidden, stressing at 1.5lbs of traction force. What you are doing is elongation and expansion at the same time, stretching every directions to max cell growth. If you need sciences to support you on this, we can talk about it in details. Try this method and monitor for expansive growth for the next two weeks. If you see growth pattern, stick with it until you plateau out. If not, we'll switch up to a different method.
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I dont have the privacy to do anything much more than my allotted time sadly. I will try your method though.

Can I try C-jelqing in the shower after pumping?
 
chorobes said:
I dont have the privacy to do anything much more than my allotted time sadly. I will try your method though.

Can I try C-jelqing in the shower after pumping?
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If you truly have a bit of time to integrate as portion of the 5x5x3, why not. It may be 5 x 7 x 3.
 
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Ok so Im gonna try going back to interval pumping. Starting off at 6hg, then raise it to 7 partway through the sets. Then afterwards try some c-jelqing (I found a DLD vid for it) while I take my shower. You guys think that will be fine to test
 
chorobes said:
Ok so Im gonna try going back to interval pumping. Starting off at 6hg, then raise it to 7 partway through the sets. Then afterwards try some c-jelqing (I found a DLD vid for it) while I take my shower. You guys think that will be fine to test
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Definitely. Do not take one of the routines as an end all routine to must stick by. It's a constant personal evolution of the routines to make the routine more efficient for you. The routines that DLD came up with are the base routines.
 
chorobes said:
Ok so Im gonna try going back to interval pumping. Starting off at 6hg, then raise it to 7 partway through the sets. Then afterwards try some c-jelqing (I found a DLD vid for it) while I take my shower. You guys think that will be fine to test
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Test it. But I would recommend that you stay off dorsal veins and arteries. Some have experienced problems due to pushing on those to hard. As I said on the side are in my option much better.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
Test it. But I would recommend that you stay off dorsal veins and arteries. Some have experienced problems due to pushing on those to hard. As I said on the side are in my option much better.
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Have you ever try dual palms type C-jelq? You clasp the fingers together face downward, and use the thumb muscles to do downward jelqing. It ease the strains on the finger muscles, and create moderate pressure without much efforts.
 
Hi @oldandlively
Sorry to jump in.
How do you measure the pressure with water pump?
I tried to connect the mityvac gun to the bathmate cylinder but i found it very not practical/convinient to use. (Mityvac by itself was originally not convinient this is why i ordered the BM.
maybe there are some marks like if i push it to a point i can't squize anymore or if my size inside reached my erect length..
 
trustr1 said:
Hi @oldandlively
Sorry to jump in.
How do you measure the pressure with water pump?
I tried to connect the mityvac gun to the bathmate cylinder but i found it very not practical/convinient to use. (Mityvac by itself was originally not convinient this is why i ordered the BM.
maybe there are some marks like if i push it to a point i can't squize anymore or if my size inside reached my erect length..
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This is what I've done to my BM:
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
Bathmate have a valve, that prevents you from measuring the pressure continuously. You can only measure the pressure when you pump on your MityVac pump handle (using attachment to Bathmate).
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That is correct. The check valve at the top where you also release the pressure measures the trapped pressure you pumped out and the pressure within the cylinder as the valve is opened. It measures the pressure within that moment in time as the valve is opened, which is quite accurate. The labs and automotive vehicles use the same measuring method to prevent accident pressure leakage.
 
Thank you, brothers for all your work on this issue.And i'm glad we're getting ourselves to a much better place
 
Thank you @oldandlively and @squirt_inducer_man

I wish there was some prepared set ready to buy at MOS shop. I really need free of mind to start dealing with it.
I did the combined mityvac and BM that @squirt_inducer_man mentioned above but indeed the water trap is too small and the water still going up to the gun pretty quickly so i found it impossible for me to work with. But maybe im doing something wrong..

I also don't have any or almost no expansion after finishing my srt 5x5x3 routine with BM. At least not measured expansion. even though it seems or feels bit heavier or full right after the session (Before i used air pumps including mityvac). But measurement is the same before and after.

im doing that for months now. And Im worried im doing something wrong at this point and waisting my time and effort for nothing really.

From pressure perspective, i reached the point where im using it as hydromax (without hand pump) and reached to 90-95% of capacity. Where i feel there is almost no room to squize it more. I have no idea what inhg that is. For now that feels also the maximum pressure i can go.
I usually enter semi erect or flaccid but i get to the point where i see my penis measure inside the tube as 18.+cm which is my full erect length (bpel).
I stay inside between 5-8min each time as part of the srt 5x5x3 routine
 
@trustr1 got it. I don't have the HydroMax to do pressure measurements but it sounds like your tissues reached and exceed the normal pressure the pump will allow you.

If you have the MityVac, measure air lower comfortable pressure, normal baseline, and upper barely above the comfortable pressure for one session for us. Do the same for water when you can. We'll come up with a routine for you until you get your equipment mod.
 
@trustr1
For me I needed the VacuVin modification even on HydroExtreme models in order to keep gaining.
The handball pump can create high pressure inside the pump, but for me it lacked control, and speed in my sessions. So sometimes I would push the hand ball pump and no more pressure was added.

The VacuVin mod changed the game for me.
But it's not safe for most pumpers since you have no gauge.
 
trustr1 said:
Hi
How did you make it work eventually? How do you easly avoid the water coming up into the gun?
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Do not work jet. I'm waiting on parts to build a bigger water trap. I have already been forced to open up the "gun" 2 times now already, to dry it up completely.

Some say you can fill the cylinder with less water, and therefore not risking pumping up water into your "gun". I have not tried this.

But for me I want high vaccum pressure, so I will wait until I have this bigger water trap working for me. Using Bathmate in the meantime. I do not want to be thinking about, if I have filled the water trap during sessions so I will wait.

I will share everything I create.
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
Do not work jet. I'm waiting on parts to build a bigger water trap. I have already been forced to open up the "gun" 2 times now already, to dry it up completely.

Some say you can fill the cylinder with less water, and therefore not risking pumping up water into your "gun". I have not tried this.

But for me I want high vaccum pressure, so I will wait until I have this bigger water trap working for me. Using Bathmate in the meantime. I do not want to be thinking about, if I have filled the water trap during sessions so I will wait.

I will share everything I create.
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Thanks
Can't wait to hear how that goes
 
squirt_inducer_man said:
It will go well. The biggest challenge is to find a good container for it. But I will solve it.
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I can't wait either. You are investing in this big time. Hopefully when you figure it out. At that point I will have Sheena call the company and work out a much better price
 
DLD said:
I can't wait either. You are investing in this big time. Hopefully when you figure it out. At that point I will have Sheena call the company and work out a much better price
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The thing is...this will be a game changer for me. With Bathmate my expansion are so limited, my penis get stuck in the cylinder walls due to my upward curvature, and at the base due to the extreme expansion there. Maybe not stuck but there is limits to the expansion I get.


It will take some time to get all the parts. Need to experiment with this to get it working.
I highly believe this will increase my speed of gains.
 
oldandlively said:
As HG said, your penis is primed and adapted at the beginning of the moderate pressure range. 5 inHg is the beginning of the growth expansion zone. 8inHg is the lower end of the upper limit. 10 inHg is where the upper safety limit is. Just by using 10 inHg for the first 2 minutes, you slam the door wide open for tissue expansion for the rest of the time.

The trick is to soften the tissues at the lower baseline that you have, which is 7inHg. On the second pumping, within that first two minutes, go up 1inHg each day to see what your barely above the comfortable pressure is, where pain should be just barely above the comfortable zone for your penile shaft. This is your new limit barrier breaker. After than first 2 minutes, reduce back down to the baseline. Notice I use the keyword "baseline" a lot. Why? That is your safety number.

As you progress, your tissues will continue to adapt. Just 2 minutes of that higher pressure will stop the body from adapting. I even test the unsafe barrier once at 16inHg using the water, and that's a bit no-no beyond 20 seconds. However, it was amazing. The inner tissues felt like it was snapping wide open for more expansion. I will slowly work up to 1 minutes down the road. However, the warning to you is, work your way up. Safely and efficiently.
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Alright I finally got my silicone sleeve (the kind that just goes on the bottom on the pump with a hole to stick your dick through) and it definitely helped keep any scrotum skin was getting sucked up in there. I experimented with this and it was better.

Two days I started off at 6hg so the first set ended up looking like|
6 - 2mins
7 - 2mins
6 - 1min
7 - 2min
6 - 1min
7 - 2min
I released pressure and got erect as I could again in about 2 minutes and then started the the second set which was 1 min at 6, one minute at 7 and I alternated between them for 10 minutes.

I still felt like I could get a better pump so I tried something different for tonight. I did the same thing as above except I started off at 7hg as my baseline and went up to 8 except for the last minute I went to 10hg so it was more like
7 - 2mins
8 - 2mins
7 - 1min
8 - 2min
7 - 1min
8 - 1min
10 - 1min.
As before I then alternated between 7 and 8 for 1 minutes each and also finished that set with 1 minute at 10hg.

Tonight when I came out of the pump it was a definitely more similar to the expansion and pump I used to get before. I still think I could bump my baseline up by 1 more hg to have 8 as my base but Im gonna wait a week or so and see how this goes.


On a side note, are some guys dicks just more resilient than others and the low HGs just dont do anything at all? I honestly dont even feel anything if Im in 5 or 6hg. I finally start to feel a little something at 7hg and I can really feel something at 10hg. Its not discomfort or painful in the slightest though
 
chorobes said:
On a side note, are some guys dicks just more resilient than others and the low HGs just dont do anything at all? I honestly dont even feel anything if Im in 5 or 6hg. I finally start to feel a little something at 7hg and I can really feel something at 10hg. Its not discomfort or painful in the slightest though
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Looking good. Do stay at the tolerable pressure for the week to observe first. You already passed the growth pressure zone at 5inHg. As you enter into the moderate pressure zone, always be careful and creep up, especially under water pressure.

When you are under pressure above 3inHg, as you add more blood into the penis with erection, you are working a percentage over the normal erectile internal pressure. When you are healthy, your body can handle beyond 150% for a short period of time, ranging between 20 to 300 minutes. Yes, 300 minutes, during heightened sexual arousal states. However, the body shuts the penis down after that to prevent injuries. If you can maintain good erection pass 40 minutes mark, you can actually reach 6inHg internal pressure with ease for at least 30 minutes. But that tolerance does change with time.

When you reach the upper moderate zone to upper threshold of 10inHg, you are exerting 2 to 3 times the penis pressure loading. Under pressure, you are forcing the penis to go against more that just 3 times the internal pressure to push against the water pressure exerts in the penis chambers from the outside. It's actually around 9 times at 10inHg. That's why your resulting EQ is ridiculous if you can maintain for 5 minutes at this pressure. The longer you can maintain the erection at this upper zone, in a few months time, your erection feels like the penis is pulsing/buzzing (as my wife would put it and loving it..human vibrator (cwl) ).

Hope that explains pressure differential you are feeling.
 
Time over hg is important. I would go middle of the road at 5 minutes at a reasonable hg and complete those sets with slow squash jelqs for 5 minutes. I think you will see your best expansion there
 
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