Hey Slizzyman, I bought the sleeve from from the MOS online store. I actually bought several of sleeves due to the first size (19mm) being too small for my girth. I have not measured yet how much I have gained but since using the sleeves, I do not turtle even when I am out of the sleeve. My penis naturally hangs more and as I work to get erect I have more penis to pull on. My Penis enlargement training started back again about a month ago. I started PE back in 2010. Back then I was getting all of my PE knowledge via �other forum� Place forums. I started off at 6 inches bpel. I can’t remember my starting flaccid stats, I’m sorry. I am now 6.5-6.75 bpel and 5.2 meg.