supermeatboy
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Kind of loaded question to assume it's either healthy or unhealthy. There is no difference between this and any other kind of personal development. It can be a lifelong pursuit for sure.
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And loaded it is as it carries more than one perspective.
Yeah if I could've done PE for a few years and have my goal I would much rather that option than the 15 years I've been at it even with the time off. DLD gained 2 inches in 6 months. I gained 0.5 inches in 1 year doing similar if not same routine. What this way of thinking provides is a scientific approach that can work for hard gainers and more than likely allow everyone to make quicker and more sustained gains.
I'm coming back from 18 months off and was able to live my life without an obsession to this PE goal. It takes time and sacrifices sure but there shouldn't be a need any longer for a lifelong pursuit.
I'm coming back from 18 months off and was able to live my life without an obsession to this PE goal. It takes time and sacrifices sure but there shouldn't be a need any longer for a lifelong pursuit.
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It's only a lifelong pursuit if your methods are not ideal, I've been guilty of this. I hope others can learn from my long career for the better and not repeat the same mistakes. That's was the whole purpose of this thread and to share knowledge.
Imagine going years with very little to no gains. Then imagine finding the solution you've been seeking and making 0.5 inch gain in 3 months and that includes taking one month off. I've did some things right in a bumbling fool sort of way and alott of things wrong, that are oddly enough accepted as truth in PE community.
What does all this data really say? A 2 phase approach. The best way to maximize total gains for the newbie is to not do too much to cause tissue toughening or injury. I mean maximal gains over the PE "career", other methods will reduce overall gains or at least prolong the time it takes to achieve.
This means low level tension for lots of time. Extenders are a perfect example. I, in a bumbling fool type of way, accomplished this with vacuum hanging while being a student in college. I never hung past 8 lbs and gained an inch in 6 months. This happened after I made my first inch and was stalled for 2 years of religious PE. Extenders have been documented as reliable and effective and satisfy what a newbie needs. Low weight vacuum hanging could be another.
After this has been thoroughly milked. Around a year before diminishing returns kick in. Second phase is what me and Kyrpa are suggesting. Slightly higher tension, shorter routines. Therapeutic heat allows greater elongation and less damage as it effects the collagen. Use of decons allows for sustained growth when diminishing returns kicks in. Measuring and tracking of strain allows users feedback and if posted can be useful data for others.
This is in contrast what is usually suggested for hangers and general PE.
Imagine going years with very little to no gains. Then imagine finding the solution you've been seeking and making 0.5 inch gain in 3 months and that includes taking one month off. I've did some things right in a bumbling fool sort of way and alott of things wrong, that are oddly enough accepted as truth in PE community.
What does all this data really say? A 2 phase approach. The best way to maximize total gains for the newbie is to not do too much to cause tissue toughening or injury. I mean maximal gains over the PE "career", other methods will reduce overall gains or at least prolong the time it takes to achieve.
This means low level tension for lots of time. Extenders are a perfect example. I, in a bumbling fool type of way, accomplished this with vacuum hanging while being a student in college. I never hung past 8 lbs and gained an inch in 6 months. This happened after I made my first inch and was stalled for 2 years of religious PE. Extenders have been documented as reliable and effective and satisfy what a newbie needs. Low weight vacuum hanging could be another.
After this has been thoroughly milked. Around a year before diminishing returns kick in. Second phase is what me and Kyrpa are suggesting. Slightly higher tension, shorter routines. Therapeutic heat allows greater elongation and less damage as it effects the collagen. Use of decons allows for sustained growth when diminishing returns kicks in. Measuring and tracking of strain allows users feedback and if posted can be useful data for others.
This is in contrast what is usually suggested for hangers and general PE.
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supermeatboy
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From a research article:
Wouldn't a 3 MHz ultrasound device be better for this PE method because the girth of a flaccid stretched penis is so small? With a 1 MHz device and a small girth the maximum absorption depth is at the other side of the shaft.
Wouldn't a 3 MHz ultrasound device be better for this PE method because the girth of a flaccid stretched penis is so small? With a 1 MHz device and a small girth the maximum absorption depth is at the other side of the shaft.
In theory yes, in the real world 3 mHz has been shown to heat deeper than 2.5 cm and in Manko007's experiment they were pretty comparable. 3 mHz heated slightly faster but that's about it.
supermeatboy
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Would aluminum foil or some other material on the other side of the shaft block and reflect the 1MHZ ultrasound waves back and make it more effective with less heat variance? How to reflect ultrasound?
I used to think so but because ultrasound is wave energy superposition may occur. That is the waves combine in a way that is either additive (constructive interference making the amplitude bigger) or or subtractive (making the amplitude smaller).
Either of them happening should demand full contact with skin and the foil with conductive gel or water. There should be no air between as the attenuation of the waves would be too big. US can be used under the water.
Ahhh ok. That makes sense. I had use
Used foil on otherside of extender a few times and didn't really note any major differences as far as heating goes. So that time forward didn't botherwith it. Didn't apply constructive gel to it though.
Used foil on otherside of extender a few times and didn't really note any major differences as far as heating goes. So that time forward didn't botherwith it. Didn't apply constructive gel to it though.
You’re not obsessing over your dick for your whole life you’re making a commitment to keep yourself in the best sexual health through different PE practices. If families important to you than your penis should be just as important to you and it should be healthy for your whole life for children and your wife. It’s just like keeping yourself in good shape, it’s not an obsession, it’s a healthy thing to do.
I understand what you are saying DLD. But for hard gainers like me using the old school approach (no rest, 3+ hour long daily sessions, etc etc) would guarantee a life long sentence, instead of a few years, to reach one's goals. If you take a maintenance kegel and maybe even jelq routine for penile health out of the equation. What I'm saying is hopefully with a more efficient strategy like I believe this logical and more scientific approach offers, end goals will be reached in a few years of consistent action, with some of that time just being allotted to rest. Working smarter not harder with better results for many. Because it's more efficient and allows for rest, less weights or force will be needed hence less chance for injury and further tissue stiffening.
I don't think what we have is the end all be all as it's still evolving but the results... well the results speak for themselves. With more people adopting this approach and recording it we will be able to come up with more reliable systems and each individual will be able to more properly track their progress and learn to make their own adjustments.
As I've said I really think the frequent measurement and tracking strain is where this shines, the heat allows for more strain and the decon allows the tissue to be stained by lower loads once coming back. I used to think measuring frequently was bad for morale but now I think like a scientist. I learned that from fitness. I used to think only measure your weight once a week when trying to cut so you don't get disheartened. But weight fluctuates from day to day. I've learned to track it daily and take the weekly average. Same for PE. When I first started seeing the increase between pre and post workouts I was taking aback. When I saw it between exercises I was mind blown. How did I not know this all this time?!
Some earlier pioneers like xeno I believe was doing just this but he didn't expressly say it, however he came to find diminishing returns at around 12 days. I believe BPSFL was how he was tracking this. I don't know if he was taking strain levels which is on another level. He was using therapeutic heat and decons. He has documented proof of gains. However his paradigm was to cause microtears so some of his methods were extreme. The goal was intense methods to cause inflammation then use ADS and rest. I know think most of us are operating at fibroblast mediated proliferation, especially kyrpa and now me as we are both not getting an inflammation response or seeking fatigue.
I don't think what we have is the end all be all as it's still evolving but the results... well the results speak for themselves. With more people adopting this approach and recording it we will be able to come up with more reliable systems and each individual will be able to more properly track their progress and learn to make their own adjustments.
As I've said I really think the frequent measurement and tracking strain is where this shines, the heat allows for more strain and the decon allows the tissue to be stained by lower loads once coming back. I used to think measuring frequently was bad for morale but now I think like a scientist. I learned that from fitness. I used to think only measure your weight once a week when trying to cut so you don't get disheartened. But weight fluctuates from day to day. I've learned to track it daily and take the weekly average. Same for PE. When I first started seeing the increase between pre and post workouts I was taking aback. When I saw it between exercises I was mind blown. How did I not know this all this time?!
Some earlier pioneers like xeno I believe was doing just this but he didn't expressly say it, however he came to find diminishing returns at around 12 days. I believe BPSFL was how he was tracking this. I don't know if he was taking strain levels which is on another level. He was using therapeutic heat and decons. He has documented proof of gains. However his paradigm was to cause microtears so some of his methods were extreme. The goal was intense methods to cause inflammation then use ADS and rest. I know think most of us are operating at fibroblast mediated proliferation, especially kyrpa and now me as we are both not getting an inflammation response or seeking fatigue.
My brother you do not want to be doing Full out PE for the rest of your life LOL that’s not what I meant. What I meant was once you meet your goals it’s very important to keep a maintenance routine in place to make sure you’re in peak sexual health. This can consist of one work out a week and keeping up with Kegel exercises.
This here is all about meeting the goals. Which are otherwise unreachable for some brother.
To make the unhealthy desire for bigger unit go away in just few years. I think there are already knowledge available what comes after. If we still keep needing bigger one after it is already achieved then mental care professionals should step in. Same goes if we are never reaching the goals. In a one way or another the obsession should end brother.
After then we are happily welcoming the penile health maintenance tips.
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Exactly correct! Once you’ve reached your goals you’re no longer in active PE. Once you have reached your goals you would move into a maintenance routine that would maintain good blood flow and other health issues that come as we grow older. I have made my goals long ago, today I simply maintain. The only exception is when I’m creating new exercises or tools, in those cases I’m going full out. But that’s my job to do so I don’t expect other people to try to get bigger and be on their goal. I’ve met my goals now I just maintain them.
DantheMan2018
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@kyrpa @longstretch how would you incorporate girth workouts in this routine? I currently use the bathmate in the mornings 3-4x a week on DLD’s SSJ 5x5x3
Still under experimentation. I think kyrpa is right with girth is elongation of the circumferential plane so these principles can be suited for girth. So keeping the pre condition stretch (extender or other stress relaxation set) you'd need a set to apply heat and then some sets to do some work. We both settled on ending with cyclical pumping. He's made a device to squish the penis from head to base with weak erection using caulk gun and to limit length elongation by inserting a rolled up sock in cylinder during some of his pumping sets so girth expansion is favored. That's very interesting to me and will be trying in future.
You can see my last workout and some of my thoughts and what I chose to experiment with. It's my first real girth session in 2 years. So far that was intense enough for me but will be looking to add heat my first pumping session using hot water when privacy allows. I'm doing this more to convert BPSFL to BPEL but this should give good data for when pursuing only girth goals.
You can see my last workout and some of my thoughts and what I chose to experiment with. It's my first real girth session in 2 years. So far that was intense enough for me but will be looking to add heat my first pumping session using hot water when privacy allows. I'm doing this more to convert BPSFL to BPEL but this should give good data for when pursuing only girth goals.
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My best girth Routine ever. Thanks ??
the thread that started it all!?
There is a guy already running 4on 3 off routine. 1 to 3 days are for length only. Fourth day for girth. I think he is getting some results as well.
I did run one period (P1) with mixed length and girth routine. It was still IPR based routine where the first two days were the intense stretching with US heat type of days. Third day was length orientated but mainly ADS and jelqing. Days four and five girth only.
I got really decent results with it but it was really exhausting and fatiguing for the dick. EQ dropped significantly during workout days and the 2 day rest was not enough for me.
For now I don´t use these micro cycles anymore and the girth work starts when the length gains with BPFSL start to diminish.
Therefor I have been experimenting with girth workouts where the longitudinal elongation and the tissue stress caused by the workout should be minimized.
Restricting length in the vacuum cylinder allows much greater radial expansion and we can aim the inner tunica layer and the tunica of the CS much more effective way. By compressing the shaft longitudinally when clamped the outer layer and Buck´s fascia enveloping the package are not restricting radial expansion that much and with greater inner pressure the inner layer expand even more.
Still experimental but it is showing positive signs already. With the girth I am not taking the traditional way either so to speak.
What I am trying to accomplish is to adapt the concept found impressively effective with length to be used for girth also.
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