New 20k PE device

92tmorgan · Apr 22, 2024

New device made by Phalback says it guarantees 1.3” in length and 1” of girth in 90 days or money back.
The device costs 20k to use and you only get to rent it for 90 days.
It looks like a pump machine that provides vibration. Sounds almost too good to be true. You be the judge.

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Here’s a guy that’s currently using it.

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colossaltitan · Apr 22, 2024

The reddit moderator using it will hopefully stay consistent with documenting his results and we'll see if it's any good.
But even if it works the barrier of entry which in this case is the cost is far too great and won't be accessible to 99% of people.

92tmorgan · Apr 22, 2024

colossaltitan said:
The reddit moderator using it will hopefully stay consistent with documenting his results and we'll see if it's any good.
But even if it works the barrier of entry which in this case is the cost is far too great and won't be accessible to 99% of people.

Yeah I’m sure he will. He seems pretty thorough.
And yeah you’re exactly right about the cost but imagine when people reverse engineer it for a fraction of the price.

That was day 1 and he’s on day 3 now. Making steady increases

DLD · Apr 22, 2024

That's alot of money my advice is to go for the 5x5x3 and your gains will be steady

92tmorgan · Apr 22, 2024

DLD said:
That's alot of money my advice is to go for the 5x5x3 and your gains will be steady

Agreed. A lot of money and that’s just to rent the machine. You don’t even own it.
But 1.3” in length and 1” in girth in 90 days is pretty insane. Exciting stuff.

DLD · Apr 24, 2024

92tmorgan said:
Agreed. A lot of money and that’s just to rent the machine. You don’t even own it.
But 1.3” in length and 1” in girth in 90 days is pretty insane. Exciting stuff.

Be careful not to fall for lies companies promise. Check them out 💯

92tmorgan · Apr 24, 2024

DLD said:
Be careful not to fall for lies companies promise. Check them out 💯

Oh I’m watching the guy that’s testing it day by day. Just interesting stuff to see.

DLD · Apr 24, 2024

92tmorgan said:
Oh I’m watching the guy that’s testing it day by day. Just interesting stuff to see.

Good, just be smart

oldandlively · Apr 24, 2024

92tmorgan said:
Oh I’m watching the guy that’s testing it day by day. Just interesting stuff to see.

Now you're making me very curious. 15 minutes on, 30 minutes a day, no traction force indicated, 17 inHg, "vibration" usage is the same as ultrasonic device used for tissue scar clinical device. The tension force got me curious to compare to the Length Master self inducing traction force. All the tugs pull against only tissues and not ligaments. This is all soft tissue stretching to the extreme.

92tmorgan · Apr 25, 2024

oldandlively said:
Now you're making me very curious. 15 minutes on, 30 minutes a day, no traction force indicated, 17 inHg, "vibration" usage is the same as ultrasonic device used for tissue scar clinical device. The tension force got me curious to compare to the Length Master self inducing traction force. All the tugs pull against only tissues and not ligaments. This is all soft tissue stretching to the extreme.

Yes exactly. And interval training with it as well. He’s on day 6 and has gained half an inch inside the tube. And he’s not new to PE. He’s been doing it for years.

Infected Mushroom · Apr 25, 2024

So... This is dynamic stretching with shockwaves.

Lets think about this a bit... Hypothesis: Hot water or Hot air (For collagen malliability), pump cycling from -5hg to -10hg etc. Hold there for 5-10sec. Add massage gun with highest setting. (Unless you cum like mustard tube.)

Could work? But needs narrow tube.

Infected Mushroom · Apr 25, 2024

It seems that while dynamic stretching is done, waves are added to make collagen "ripped". When heat is added, this could be easier to do. Btw... Machine is straight from Fallout. 🤣🤣🤣

oldandlively · Apr 25, 2024

92tmorgan said:
Yes exactly. And interval training with it as well. He’s on day 6 and has gained half an inch inside the tube. And he’s not new to PE. He’s been doing it for years.

Half inch in the tube is very common. I gain the same in the ADS, and at time, 1 full inch, after half hour of warmup stretching. I thought I went crazy at times, but once your tissues are suffiicient pre-stretched, the tissues will not fight back. It will relax. But for it to work within a few minutes, I can understand why with a massive rental price tag.

I already researched into the shockwave "vibration" therapy a few years ago. This is an old technology being incorporated to modern medical practices. Think about fat cell destruction through vibration/ultrasonic and cold treatment. It's been in practices since the early 1990s. The vibration system was incorporated since the 1960s through interesting gadgets.

LONGERDICK7+ · Apr 25, 2024

20k ....🤔 Just for the rent..

92tmorgan · Apr 25, 2024

Infected Mushroom said:
So... This is dynamic stretching with shockwaves.

Lets think about this a bit... Hypothesis: Hot water or Hot air (For collagen malliability), pump cycling from -5hg to -10hg etc. Hold there for 5-10sec. Add massage gun with highest setting. (Unless you cum like mustard tube.)

Could work? But needs narrow tube.

I’d love to see someone reverse engineer it. I’m sure someone will eventually for a fraction of the price.

Interesting to see they have their customers go into the tube flacid

oldandlively said:
Half inch in the tube is very common. I gain the same in the ADS, and at time, 1 full inch, after half hour of warmup stretching. I thought I went crazy at times, but once your tissues are suffiicient pre-stretched, the tissues will not fight back. It will relax. But for it to work within a few minutes, I can understand why with a massive rental price tag.

I already researched into the shockwave "vibration" therapy a few years ago. This is an old technology being incorporated to modern medical practices. Think about fat cell destruction through vibration/ultrasonic and cold treatment. It's been in practices since the early 1990s. The vibration system was incorporated since the 1960s through interesting gadgets.

yeah it’s definitely for a certain clientele. But at least 1.3” of length and 1” of girth in 90 days guaranteed is pretty wild.

LONGERDICK7+ said:
20k ....🤔 Just for the rent..

Yeah just to rent for 90 days and then you send it back. Wild

Infected Mushroom · Apr 25, 2024

20K is so called "cream crust" prize. Overprized as hell, but possible because there aren't any competition. 🤔

92tmorgan · Apr 25, 2024

Infected Mushroom said:
20K is so called "cream crust" prize. Overprized as hell, but possible because there aren't any competition. 🤔

Definitely overpriced. But I’m sure the rich that want to add an Inch in length and girth quickly will shell it out

oldandlively · Apr 25, 2024

I'm thinking out loud at the moment:

The cheapest and reliable low intensity shockwave therapy (LIST) you can grab for home usage is around $800. There is no upper limit. However, the LIST has its limitation of 1cm away from the focused tissue. Based on the unit's demonstration so far, the LIST is constant at 5cm away.

Now, do think about this for a moment. The tube is technically forcing your lateral tissues to break down and become elongate for the forced length session. The dynamic tugging is practically the same as the ADS on while walking, which I do for cycling, jogging, and running. The tension force at -17inHg, which is equivalent to around 8.3lbs of dynamic tension force every 10 to 15 seconds, with 5 seconds cycling. Ah hah! I was dead on when I told you guys about 7lbs of tension dynamic tension force while wearing the ADS, and no more than 10lbs.

Sorry to say, but this is not nuclear science. It's biological and physical sciences that MOS already employed, at a lower cost. However, the only new element is the cellular disturbance technology that had been long used by medical and therapeutic fields. No one has the cash to fork it out due the costs of the equipment. BUT, I believe the LIST machines are getting cheaper and cheaper now. I may be investing in one in the future.

92tmorgan · Apr 25, 2024

oldandlively said:
I'm thinking out loud at the moment:

The cheapest and reliable low intensity shockwave therapy (LIST) you can grab for home usage is around $800. There is no upper limit. However, the LIST has its limitation of 1cm away from the focused tissue. Based on the unit's demonstration so far, the LIST is constant at 5cm away.

Now, do think about this for a moment. The tube is technically forcing your lateral tissues to break down and become elongate for the forced length session. The dynamic tugging is practically the same as the ADS on while walking, which I do for cycling, jogging, and running. The tension force at -17inHg, which is equivalent to around 8.3lbs of dynamic tension force every 10 to 15 seconds, with 5 seconds cycling. Ah hah! I was dead on when I told you guys about 7lbs of tension dynamic tension force while wearing the ADS, and no more than 10lbs.

Sorry to say, but this is not nuclear science. It's biological and physical sciences that MOS already employed, at a lower cost. However, the only new element is the cellular disturbance technology that had been long used by medical and therapeutic fields. No one has the cash to fork it out due the costs of the equipment. BUT, I believe the LIST machines are getting cheaper and cheaper now. I may be investing in one in the future.

Yeah I’m sure there’s an optimal frequency for the vibration inside the tube? If someone could replicate all of this it would be amazing

oldandlively · Apr 25, 2024

92tmorgan said:
Yeah I’m sure there’s an optimal frequency for the vibration inside the tube? If someone could replicate all of this it would be amazing

Actually, I already calculated at 42 MHz going through the plastic tube wall based on the required LIST info and previous 24 clinical and published medical journals. The problem is micro banding in an effective fan shape, or even in a box shape pattern. This is where the expenses lay due to power adjustment and programming. Time to recruit a hardware and software geek.

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