Who are you going to vote for?

Who are you going to vote for?


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This is kind of an offshoot of the current topic, but all of us should be aware that China is rapidly coming into a position to fill the superpower vacuum left by the Soviet Union. They have had the largest military force for years and now they are only one step behind us in nuclear warfare technology (as far as we know). We could very soon enter into another period of cold war. It's a scary thought.
 
Kong-
Seriously, fanaticism is a mild description of what was happening in both Germany and Japan in the 1930's and 40's.
People were being butchered in the streets on a daily basis in Germany and spreading, The Emperor of Japan had a grip on his people unlike any other in history - millions of people were ultimately slaughtered...why go on rehashing that; it's a moot point.
These things can change, and they will in the Middle East - but not if we sit by and allow it to grow out of control - if it hasn't already. Iraq is the ideal starting point for a shitload of reasons.
Unfortunately, bombing the hell out of innocent people and then going back to watching Janet Jackson flash her tits just won't cut it.
 
Sorry Cap but my vote goes for Kerry.
I just had enough of this current shit going on and am hoping for some change.
 
Thanks but don't apologize to me ERA. I'm not running for anything. And I honestly can't imagine why anybody would want that job.

I will say though that I agree that Kerry won't come close to beating Bush. This race brings to mind another Massachusetts liberal challenging an incumbent Bush not so long ago.
 
CaptnHook,

Extremely well written and reasoned. For a sea fairing man, you certainly appear to have your intellectual feet solidly grounded.

I've always enjoyed your writing style.
 
It should have been AL Gore from the beginning. Already in that election you could see that Bush was a crook. And Gore showed the best side of himself.
 
Ah Cap'n, my feelings are slightly hurt. I wrote a rather long post and attempted to answer all of your challenges, but it does not seem you read it very closely or entirely. I might add, you have also ignored all of my questions to date, so I'm not entirely sure if I owe you the service of meticulously answering your own. Show some good faith in the debate and don't cash me out with some easy rhetoric I've heard a thousand times before, I've asked some fundamentally deeper questions about the topic . . .

Anyway, your first commen is that yo do indeed associate the word diplomat with capitulation and pandering to an enemy when I spent a good amount of words explaining what I meant by diplomat and why I felt Kerry had a superior pedigree to plan and execute foreign policy. I might add that your thoughts on the matter seem somewhat contstrained by the terrorist issue, but we also have a lot of other things going on around the world, many of them threatening to our safety, though non as pertinent as Iraq and Afghanistan.

I feel as if I am trying to offer rather sincere grievances with Bush, and you ignore the issues I raise, then more or less justify your own position by saying that all liberals are fools and hate America. No offense once more, but this is straight out of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and the rest of the highly conservative 'info-tanement' clan to your ears.

I'll ask once more - please explain to me what exactly you qualify as a liberal, and perhaps illuminate why they are all evil and foolish. Then, if you would be so kind, why conservatives in fact love America and possess the only vision worth our while. And finally, you assert that Iraq was dangerous and the invasion necessary for our security. Please explain to me what threat Iraq posed, and how it's occupation has strengthened our position in the world. Thank You.

Also, when my last comment was meant to imply that you do not hold Bush or conservatives up to teh standards that you do liberal politicians or those that displease you. It is, as political scientists call it, the personal filter. All the conservative bashing points on Kerry - he's an elite, out of touch, flip-flopping, defense-bungling, overspending goon - can be said about the president himself, to a greater degree depending on which facts you choose to ignore and what rhetoric you tend to believe. On that note, I'll say that knowing the difference between ominous comments and and a real and viable platform for launching a war is one of the many things that diplomatic skill informs upon. On that note, I find there to be nothing stupid or particularly ill-natured on true conservative thinking, a la John McCain. And, though you seem to believe that Democrats and Republicans are apples and oranges, most of the folks in the political debate right now are just a few clicks away from the the same central positions on the political spectrum. The partisan bickering that has polluted the minds of so many voters is more or less career psoturing from pundits and careerist politicians.

Don't forget my questions!
 
For what it's worth, people who don't meticulously study history or polling statistics are really just blowing smoke when guess who is going to win in November. But . . .

History has shown that an incumbent president with Bush's type of numbers almost never wins. Also, a downslide in popularity as he's experienced moving towards the election has historically meant doom. Bush is also greatly weakened in the all important battle ground states, in most of which Kerry has taken a few points lead. Kerry has yet to pick a VP, which if it's John Edwards polling has showed will add several points to his side in nearly all areas, and Kerry has recently managed to raise considerable campaign funds. Bush barely managed to win, if he really did, the first time. He's in a lot worse shape right now than he was four years ago.

Bush certainly has begun to campaign, that was a tagline four months ago. He's spent huge amounts of money, and been quite active with fundraising and election year talk. Let's not forget that a debate has yet to be held, and no matter what side you're on, I think anybody would agree Kerry will be asking some tough questions that most likely will make Bush look bad, whether this is fair or not. Kerry used to be a state prosecutor and is eloquent and a qucik thinker, even teh most ardent Bush supporter probably wouldn't be willing to say the same for George. One las factor is the Michael Moore film, which once again, many of you are guffawing and gagging, but don't factor out a major movies ability to interest and persuade people. You may not like him, but Moore is quite effective at what he does, and what he's set out to do is take Bush to the mat, hard.

All that being said, this is one of the most exciting presidental races a in a great long while. Even though I diplore the current state of things I'm at least grateful it has politicized America to a certain extent and opened debate. One downside to the prosperity of the Clinton years was the apathy that smooth sailing tends to induce in the genreal public. Misguided politics is dangerous, but nothing is more poisonous to our nation than apathy.
 
Please, Vote for bush, he is the only one that supports the troops. WE have to have him. That man is amazing and he truely cares about the military. I would not have joined the marines if He was not in office. The military needs him
 
Supra, please understand that we ALL support the troops, whether or not we support the politics that set the awesome power of our military in motion! You have my utmost respect and gratitude for serving us. You are one of our defenders!
 
Cheer up Swank, you're starting to scare me. If I hurt your feelings in the slightest, I apologize. I believe I did answer most of your questions and even picked up on a few other points - if I neglected to follow up on something it is most likely because you are coming from a place that wrongly assumes I am a "conservative" Republican in (as you infer) the Limbaugh mold. To be blunt: I hate that bloated hypocritical asshole.
I don't feel obligated to answer questions that assume I speak for or from any "party" line. And maybe instead of dismissing my posts as easy rhetoric you've heard a thousand times you might look a little closer at your own handy-work: You accuse Bush of orchestrating the war with some secret and mysterious "agenda" and then offer nothing of any substance whatsoever to support these claims?

I'll ask once more - please explain to me what exactly you qualify as a liberal, and perhaps illuminate why they are all evil and foolish.

Point out where I called liberals "evil" and I'll answer that. Point out where I said they are all "foolish" and I'll get to that one too (though, I have to say the 45 year old ponytails and Berkenstock sandals are pretty funny).

As for what qualifies as a contemporary Liberal - hang on while I upload a picture of that bloated hypocritical asshole Michael Moore.


Then, if you would be so kind, why conservatives in fact love America and possess the only vision worth our while.

Again, you lost me. When did I say this? From the get go I have said I will support Bush for president because he clearly understands the gravity of the situation we are in.
Give me a better option and I'll go with it, but until then Bush is the closest I'll get. Kerry - no matter what good you say about him, regardless of how well he spins himself - is not the better choice in this regard (do I need to continually qualify these statements as my opinion - or must I don the tweed, dust off the projector, and dim the lights?)
As well, I hold a deep conviction that the personal income tax is immoral, illegal, and needs to be done away with. Bush may not be the man to do it, but he at least cut taxes - just as he said he would, and in the face of great opposition. I like that! It is a start, and a far cry from what a run of the mill bureaucrat like John Kerry will do if elected.


And finally, you assert that Iraq was dangerous and the invasion necessary for our security. Please explain to me what threat Iraq posed, and how it's occupation has strengthened our position in the world. Thank You.

I answered this. It has been answered a thousand times on these boards, in the press, by the administration, and now even by Vladimir "KGB Bootin" Putin.
Would it resonate better if I employed an extended parable in the tradition of Aesop or the Brothers Grimm?


I might add that your thoughts on the matter seem somewhat constrained by the terrorist issue, but we also have a lot of other things going on around the world, many of them threatening to our safety, though non as pertinent as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Thank you Swank for answering your question for me in your own statement. It's all right there.



Call me constrained Swank - accuse me of black and white thinking, relegate my posts to the status of empty rhetoric, but the fact remains that little matters at this moment in our history beyond the issue of Islamic terrorism. It is the only issue when you consider what is at stake.
From what I have seen thus far, beginning with the first WTC bombing and Bill Clinton's ridiculously poor handling of it, on up to recent statements and actions of John Kerry and the prevailing majority of his party, whatever bad you can say about Bush, and there is plenty, it is negated by these facts. Therefor the choice for president is obvious.

I welcome you to convince me otherwise. I'm open to it.
Must keep an open mind :)
 
Jersey said:
CaptnHook,

Extremely well written and reasoned. For a sea fairing man, you certainly appear to have your intellectual feet solidly grounded.

I've always enjoyed your writing style.

Jersey! Is that really you? Lord help me I thought I lost you!
"Man overboard! Man overboard!" I cried and cried - but alas I were shoutin me throat raw to the wind.

Good to hear from you, sincerely. Still causing fatal gut wounds with that razor sharp wit I trust? Any opportunities to exercise your theological brilliance?

What a nice surprise. I will be looking out for your excellent posts.

--Cap
 
Supra said:
Please, Vote for bush, he is the only one that supports the troops. WE have to have him. That man is amazing and he truely cares about the military. I would not have joined the marines if He was not in office. The military needs him

Why didnt Bush join the military to go fight communism when he had his chance? He joined the Guard, which back then, almost never saw war, b/c they guarded the nation.

He cares? How the hell would you know? How would you know that John Kerry dosent care? Kerry knows war in a way that Bush will NEVER KNOW.

I noticed you wrote "He". If that some ill-attempt to associate Bush with God and the Divine, thats fuckin horrible.
 
I know allot of people think G. Bush is a slow thinker etc., etc.! I am not impressed with people who give lawyer type responses in public, so as to win the publics vote! Big deal so a candidate can answer a few questions with intellect and wit quickly!What does this prove except that he is a good showman! If you think that this is a sign of a good president, then you are truly screwed!Quick thinking is not a desirable trait, when you have to set down and decide if you send your troops in or not, or whether you choose to launch a nuclear attack! I would rather have someone with a chess players mind!Take your time and consider every move, then go for it when you have made the best choice!Saying that, sometimes you have to make quick decisions, but you can rest assured that whether its G. Bush or whoever, they will have a good team behind them, to help make that decision!
 
I'll give you one reason why Bush's thinking is fundamentally flawed in every respect. He STILL dosent believe in Darwinian/Evolution. The Freakin President of the USA dosent believe in Evolution!!

That is so anti-intellectual it's scary.
 
But he believes in God, by which allot of intellectuals/scientist disagree on!What does the majority of voters believe?? I bet they believe in God! So you align your thinking with the majority of voters, to insure reelection!
 
girthius said:
I would rather have someone with a chess players mind!
LOL...

On another topic, why do so many of you seem to think so highly of Nader?
 
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girthius said:
But he believes in God, by which allot of intellectuals/scientist disagree on!What does the majority of voters believe?? I bet they believe in God! So you align your thinking with the majority of voters, to insure reelection!

Belief in God does NOT mean you have to believe in Creationism or even the Son of Abraham Jewish/Christian/Muslim God. So you have to NOT believe in Evolution to believe in God? Bullshit.

You continue to prove my point that George Bush wears his faith on his sleeve just to buy votes. I wish I made that point, but that was said by Ron Reagan at Ronald Reagen's funeral.

I dont think many people think very highly of Nader. I dont. He's a great consumer advocate but what the fuck does he know about foreign policy and war?
 
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