What is the best supplement out there?

iwant8inches · Jun 2, 2004

bigman808 said:
Amen to that bro

Hadn't realized it but I haven't been taking NO2 for like a month at least not regularly. I take it about every three days now. Actually I just ran out too. Time to get some more. BUt I really didn't need to take it every day it seemed to me because I've been on it for like 7 months nonstop every day until the beginning of May.

I might go back to Protein shakes though cause I need a new car and I'm about flat broke. GNC has NO2 for like 79.99. Byrd needs to bring that price down from whatever MRI is selling that stuff to the middleman. That has to be the only reason because I can't imgaine it being that expensive for much longer. The competition is already there. I don't know if the other Nitric Oxide supplements work as well, but hey they are cheaper so NO2 I'd like to think they'd help the consumers out a little.

Bigman you ever take eggwhites. I see it advertised a lot in that huge ass white gallon bucket. You ever see that stuff. I might order that. It is supposed to be MUCH better than regular whey or any protein shake for that matter.

oopapercutoo · Jun 2, 2004

I personally believe that protein powder (take your pick as to whether you want whey, soy, casein, or a mixture of the 3) is the best supplement if you're looking to gain size. Protein is the building block of nearly everything essential in your body from your brain to your muscles, so it would stand to reason that a protein supplement would be a good investment.

As for the guy above talking about transdermal sprays...do those actually work? I've never researched them very thoroughly, but it seems far-fetched that I could spray something on my skin and that would be a form of supplementation. If it really does work, that's great, but I'll stick with the old-fashioned way of ingesting my supplements.

quijjiboo · Jun 2, 2004

Ultimate Nutrition Whey
$35 for 5 pounds Canadian, damn good stuff

Bigd5903 · Jun 2, 2004

Squats are the best supplement!

bigman808 · Jun 2, 2004

oopapercutoo said:
I personally believe that protein powder (take your pick as to whether you want whey, soy, casein, or a mixture of the 3) is the best supplement if you're looking to gain size. Protein is the building block of nearly everything essential in your body from your brain to your muscles, so it would stand to reason that a protein supplement would be a good investment.

As for the guy above talking about transdermal sprays...do those actually work? I've never researched them very thoroughly, but it seems far-fetched that I could spray something on my skin and that would be a form of supplementation. If it really does work, that's great, but I'll stick with the old-fashioned way of ingesting my supplements.

You're exactly right, and thank you for posting that. Protein is VERY important to your body, and is almost irreplacable...

kwyckemynd00 · Jun 3, 2004

bigman808 said:
Thanks for posting. With my ROP, my test is goin along pretty well, plus I take NO2, so I'm gonna stay on that for a while. Here is a site for you since you seem like you like steroid alternatives: www.hcmuscle.com It's pretty expensive, but not illegal, at least i dont think so...

Thanks for the site, but the beauty about me making my own homebrew is that it's really cheap and pretty much the most effective legal stack ATM, next to a M1T/4AD stack. M1T, also is just 1Test that is methylated so it has good oral bioavailability. So as it is 1-Test with 4AD is just the shit! For example, what would equate to 20 bottles of Mag-10, by Biotest, which run for nearly $100 per bottle I can make this stuff for $200, total! Just buy the powders and make the transdermal solution, and wham. You've got 5 good cycles.

Now Mag10 is still gettin' whooped by this product regardless because Mag10 is a non-methylated oral and my homebrew and S1+ are both transdermal. Transdermally 30-40% of the hormone is delivered (or has a 30-40% bioavailability) whereas with oral (unlike what biotest claims) you get approximately 5- (maybe)10%. So gram for gram you get more bang for your buck!

Even the S1+, however, is only $30 per bottle. Each bottle lasts 2 weeks. So that's not too bad.

FYI everyone. If you don't know already prohormone and legal steroids are going to be banned, probably by around August before the Olympics, so if you wanna get 'em, do it now.

kwyckemynd00 · Jun 3, 2004

bigman808 said:
You're exactly right, and thank you for posting that. Protein is VERY important to your body, and is almost irreplacable...

LOL. I almost forget that people consider it a supplement because a good protein supplement to me is just like air. Something I always do and take for granted. So yes, I'll agree that it is the most important thing to any bodybuilder who doesn't have time to cook a million meal a day....other than that, for legal supps, it's a stack of 1Test and 4AD followed by a posty cycle therapy (PCT) of Androstenetrione (6OXO) and 7-OXO-DHEA! That's the best legal cycle out, without a doubt!

bigman808 · Jun 3, 2004

keyword in that sentence: LEGAL lol

Dario · Jun 3, 2004

When all is said and done, nothing beats a solid diet with large amounts of WPI (Whey Protein Isolate).

philadelph · Jun 3, 2004

bigman808 said:
keyword in that sentence: LEGAL lol

Won't be for long. Maybe a month left, then legal steroids are gone.

There is some potent shit out there though guys, not just pro-hormones, but actual steroids. These are only legal by some loophole.

Cheap too.

bigman808 · Jun 4, 2004

Absolutely right, Philadelph. Also, Dario, you hit the nail on the head. WPI is an excellent thing for growing, recovering, and maintaing muscles. So is other protein, but I personally, and am probably joined by plenty of others, prefer whey. Philadelph, your signature 'vid' is HILARIOUS!!

sikdogg · Jun 4, 2004

kwyckemynd00 said:
... a stack of 1Test and 4AD followed by a posty cycle therapy (PCT) of Androstenetrione (6OXO) and 7-OXO-DHEA! That's the best legal cycle out, without a doubt!

I disagree, methyl-1-test and 4AD cyp is a much better stack. When considering gains versus liver toxicity, you can't beat M1T. Also, don't waste you money on 6-oxo get the real deal for PCT... clomid and/or nolva. They are legal for purchase in liquid form thru research chem suppliers. Don't forget the protein... lots and lots of protein. I try to take in 2gr of protein per pound of bodyweight everyday, bulking or not.

But to answer the original question of the best supp (since legality wasn't mentioned), it's got to be 700mg of test cyp/enan and 500mg of tren per week with lots and lots of food.

sikdogg · Jun 4, 2004

philadelph said:
Won't be for long. Maybe a month left, then legal steroids are gone.

There is some potent shit out there though guys, not just pro-hormones, but actual steroids. These are only legal by some loophole.

Cheap too.

Fine by me, just gives me more reason to exclusively use real gear. Results are better with real gear anyways.

bigman808 · Jun 4, 2004

I'm gonna try and stay off either legal or illegal steroids for now, NO2 is working fine, the same with the Whey Protein supp I take. Good luck to all those who are taking andro, steroids and similar products. Take care of your body, it is very valuable, whether or not you take it for granted. Also, be careful with the bordering on illegal supps. The last thing any of you, I'm sure, need is to get arrested for using illegal 'roids. I'm not dissing steroids or similar products, nor condoning their usage, but they do have some rather nasty side-effects as well as some legal and illegal problems. Once again, be careful and take care of your body!!!!

sikdogg · Jun 4, 2004

bigman808 said:
I'm gonna try and stay off either legal or illegal steroids for now, NO2 is working fine, the same with the Whey Protein supp I take.

I understand your position, if you're happy with NO2 then stick with it.

Good luck to all those who are taking andro, steroids and similar products. Take care of your body, it is very valuable, whether or not you take it for granted.

Just because one takes PH/AAS doesn't mean that they aren't taking care of their bodies. In fact, their desire to improve themselves physically is the reason they take it to begin with. Most users that i personally know are extremely well versed in diet and exercize. I did a crash course study on Endocrinology to better understand how PH/AAS effects the body (HPTA) and how to minimize its negative sides.

...they do have some rather nasty side-effects as well as some legal and illegal problems

Legal or illegal, PH and steroids have the same negative side effects. Because they both suppress your natural test levels and some (PH and AAS) aromatize to estrogen. These two actions are responsible for virtually all negative side effects of their uses. That said, steroids offer much better gains for the same risk of sides.

Legality is of course a serious concern, but not any more than using POT. It's definitely a personal choice and one should understand the pros and cons of their use before jumping in.

bigman808 · Jun 5, 2004

I'm not saying that you guys aren't taking care of your bodies, I'm just sayin that because I feel that it is VERY important to bodybuilding, let alone life. Also, I like to research things really thoroughly before I buy it, so I know where you are coming from with crash classes and such. I did some pretty heavy and in-depth research about NO2 before I even went to GNC, so I'm happy with my results and my knowledge. Thanks again for posting and voting in the poll!

kwyckemynd00 · Jun 6, 2004

sikdogg said:
I disagree, methyl-1-test and 4AD cyp is a much better stack. When considering gains versus liver toxicity, you can't beat M1T. Also, don't waste you money on 6-oxo get the real deal for PCT... clomid and/or nolva. They are legal for purchase in liquid form thru research chem suppliers. Don't forget the protein... lots and lots of protein. I try to take in 2gr of protein per pound of bodyweight everyday, bulking or not.

M1T is better because it's more bioavailable. I just meant 1-Test to encompass all 1-Test products.

IMHO, the best legal way to get gains would be to get 1-Test Cyp and 4AD Cyp. I'm just not too confident about being a pin-cushion, yet. lol.

I thought about buying M1T and a lot of it, because you can get a gram for $8.00!! That's freggin' great. But, after a few stories about guys pissin' blood, I didn't feel like messing with it anymore. I don't know what the 17aa on that thing is doing, but piss in the blood is never good.

I've seen the research Tamoxifen Citrate. I was about to buy it, too. But, I didn't wanna stack it with the clom.

Nolva by itself, does not raise natural testosterone. That's why I like the 6OXO + 7-OXO-DHEA mix. 6OXO blocks and 7-OXO-DHEA raises natural testosterone while simulateously lowering cortisol level. The two are a great combination. I suppose I could just take Nolva and 7-OXO-DHEA, but I'm content with the 6OXO.

But to answer the original question of the best supp (since legality wasn't mentioned), it's got to be 700mg of test cyp/enan and 500mg of tren per week with lots and lots of food.

LOL.

quijjiboo · Jun 6, 2004

I want the skinny, strung-out crackhead look, so M1T is "the best supplement out there"?

sikdogg · Jun 6, 2004

bro, M1T is good stuff. Definitely more potent than 1-test cyp. I bought a bunch of the original tabs that were sold my LegalGear (they were the first to offer it). Every time i go on a 2-week cycle of M1t (20mg ED), i gain ~10 lbs. I've never experienced anything like pissing blood.

The 17-AA makes it orally available. In addition to making it orally available, it also make it much more potent. The bad part of being 17-AA is that it makes it very hard on your liver. Dbol and winny are also 17-AA.

I'm glad that 6-OXO is working for you, but it's generally not considered potent enough for PCT when using real gear. At least that is what most BB'ers believe. It's also more expensive than liquid Clo or Nolva. There's no need to stack clomid with Nolva, you can use either or...

bigman808 · Jun 6, 2004

Thanks for posting and voting in the poll, everybody!!

What is the best supplement out there?

What is the best supplement out there?

NO2

Nitro-Tech

Whey Protein

Creatine

Amino Acids

Other (please tell what you think in a post)

My own workouts, BITCH!!!!

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