VLC vs. TLC

Before I get responses on to what the difference is between the two are, I do know what the differences are as far as one(TLC) is for foreskin restoration and has a small hole on the cone to release from the head to pull just skin, the other (VLC) does not have the hole on the cone and is supposed to create a suction on the head to pull the entire penis. My question and concern is how do you know the cone is actually creating a suction? If I put the cone on the head of my dick it does not look like it could create any suction at all. There is actually a gap around the very edge of the widest part of the cone and this has me concerned that it is releasing off my head when I put tension on it. The reason I am questioning this is because I am getting a lot of extra skin which I know is good to a point but I also want to make sure I am getting proper stretch thru out the whole penis and not just the skin. So how do I know? I feel a lot of skin stretch and my ligs feel tight but is that just because the skin is being pulled hard enough? I don't know. Any ideas?

If you can pull with your hands with a lot of tension without the cone falling of the you have good suction on the glans

mza;610853 said:

If you can pull with your hands with a lot of tension without the cone falling of the you have good suction on the glans

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Now is that with the skin cone on as well? Cause I've played around with it and have pulled pretty hard on it with the skin cone on to the point I can see and feel the skin starting to slip out from between the two cones but again I feel more skin pull then inner penis pull. And I also wear it with pretty good tension with the leg strap and also the SG under good tension so if it had good suction wouldn't I have some evidence on the end of my gland from the suction?

What you mean with the skin cone on aswell

Just roll as much skin as possible over the white cone without overlapping the skin and the put the other cone on then pull the transparent cone towards yourself and the metal on the white cone in the other direction to make sure there is no gap

mza;610856 said:

What you mean with the skin cone on aswell

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You said if I pull without the cone falling off then I have good suction so I was just clarifying if you meant both the cone (which has the metal piece in it) and the skin cone( which is the cone that goes over the other cone). If they're both on it could be just pulling skin and still not fall off. If you just meant the cone (metal piece) trying to make a little suction without the skin come on, then no I can't do that as I have tried that as well.

No i meant with both cones
But if you would have no suction on the shaft your dick wouldn't get longer and thinner while there is tension

mza;610860 said:

No i meant with both cones on

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Well then again shouldn't I have some evidence of suction on the end of my gland? At times I feel as though the cone (metal piece) has separated from my gland while wearing it resulting in just skin pull so it makes me wonder if there is any or very little suction. I'm not trying to be difficult I'm just trying to figure out if maybe my cone is sized wrong in order to create good suction. Again how do you tell if it is suction or just skin? To me either one would allow you to pull hard with it on and not allow it to come off. I would think there would be more "suction" evidence on the end of the gland especially with as much tension as I wear it.
Sorry MZA I didn't see the edited part of your last post. That part does make sense. I'll have to play with it and see if the difference but still thought I would see or at least feel suction.

I see what you mean
I have wondered the same thing but i dont really know
I have been using the velcro strap lately i might have to try the vlc again to check myself

OK so I took the VLC off and took the cone (with metal piece) and pressed it down on the back of my hand and it created a good suction enough to make a ring on my hand where it was at so shouldn't I at least get close to that kind of suction? I'm sure not exactly because the gland ain't flat like the back of my hand but shouldn't there be some?

IVEADREAM;610864 said:

OK so I took the VLC off and took the cone (with metal piece) and pressed it down on the back of my hand and it created a good suction enough to make a ring on my hand where it was at so shouldn't I at least get close to that kind of suction? I'm sure not exactly because the gland ain't flat like the back of my hand but shouldn't there be some?

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Thats why it should create greater suction on your dick than on your hand

mza;610898 said:

Thats why it should create greater suction on your dick than on your hand

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OK then why doesn't it? Let me ask you mza (or others) how does yours fit on your gland and if you can visualize my analogy does it fit more like a swimmers cap or like a derby hat? Meaning does it fit good in the "whole cone" or does it have an open ridge around the bottom of it almost like it's to big on the bottom?

Mine fits more like a swimmer cap

Just wanted to update on what I'm doing. I've sent an email to Ron (owner of tlc tugger) with these same questions to see what he suggests. As soon as I hear from him I'll pass it along.

This is my conversation with Ron of TLCTUGGER.COM. My questions to him are between the >> and <<
Hi,

Thanks for your note.


>>some slight swelling at the point where my skin is rolled up on the cone which correlates to about mid shaft when the VLC is taken off. <<


To wear the VLC we use the skin tube to form a seal. The skin rolls over on itself at the skinny part of the device. At the roll-over point there will be stresses that crimp blood vessels and cause edema. As long as tugging forces are manageable it shouldn't be a problem. We use the 4-Hour Rule to fine-tune tension and any unwanted effect is a violation of the rule.



>> at the base of the cone there is a small gap between it and my glans <<


We supply a retaining cone large enough so you could wear it by itself sleeping, when you will have nocturnal erections. Some guys do choose to get a separate cone for situations where erections are not expected.



>> causes me to wonder how I can achieve a good suction on the glans <<


Well a too-wide cone is just a perfect cone with a little something extra.It's mainly a problem only if the edge of the cone gets dragged by clothing or bedding and is pried loose, or if the extra silicone blocks the user's fingers from working the cone into place for a good application.


>>I have definitely gained a lot more skin from wearing it <<


Skin is much easier to expand than shaft. Short-term gains in skin mobility can masquerade as skin expansion. But for improved sex, foreskin restorers don't care where the slack came from. Wrapping your skin around the VLC can slacken you some while it's a tight fit, but gains will tail off. If skin expansion is not your goal be sure to measure Forced Erect Coverage monthly to make sure you know what's doing.


>> make sure I'm getting a proper fit so it will pull the shaft instead of just skin. <<


Keep the skin supple (apply any moisturizer fresh out of the shower). Roll skin up to cover as much of the white inner part as you comfortably can.


>>do you sell just the cone without anything else? <<


SeeMOShttp://f83.535.myftpupload.com/product/your-skin-cone/


>>explain how to determine if I have a proper fit <<


See our sizing note:MOShttp://f83.535.myftpupload.com/device-sizing


Cheers,

-Ron Low
This was the second conversation we had because I think Ron thought I was referring to the clear skin cone on some of the questions but actually I was asking about the white cone that is applied first to the glans.

>>I was wondering if that cone (white) should fit more "snug" with out any gaps. <<


I don't think the gaps are relevant to the seal.


>> I might have more blood in my glans so when I put on the white cone it fits more "snug" without any gaps around the bottom and I feel I get more suction and I don't have that feeling of it lifting off the glans <<


I think I would chalk that up more to the skin being stretched out evenly over the white surface.


>>when I was asking about if you sold the cone by itself, again I was referring to the white cone <<


Yes of course. MOShttp://f83.535.myftpupload.com/product/vlc-tugger-body/


Cheers,

-Ron
So in conclusion I am thinking about going a size down in the white cone piece to see if I get more of a suction applied to the glans because as I stated I feel that I get my tension applied to the whole shaft when the white cone fits snug.

Measurement is most important when ordering and if you get your VLC and it is slipping you did not order the right size. Ron is a great guy and will work with you until you get it right.

doublelongdaddy;611953 said:

Measurement is most important when ordering and if you get your VLC and it is slipping you did not order the right size. Ron is a great guy and will work with you until you get it right.

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I agree and I thought I was very accurate when I measured the first time so I measured again this morning and came up with the same measurement as before so I not too sure what I'm going to do.

IVEADREAM;611972 said:

I agree and I thought I was very accurate when I measured the first time so I measured again this morning and came up with the same measurement as before so I not too sure what I'm going to do.

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Measure trice and order once!

Ok guys I have some of the same problem and have had some what of a back and forth conversation with Ron as well. Is there any way to have an actual video made to specify how to properly measure yourself for the VLC and to have questions, I have space between my glans and white tugger body, I do not feel the same awesome suction that I was getting before. I feel either a resize or have another same size sent in case the body has manipulated itself over time.

It sucks because I have purchased new springs and want to test my theory with tension differences and I have wanted to use the VLC for this experiment because I remember how comfortable it is to remain on for long periods of time.

Neversettle;612440 said:

Ok guys I have some of the same problem and have had some what of a back and forth conversation with Ron as well. Is there any way to have an actual video made to specify how to properly measure yourself for the VLC and to have questions, I have space between my glans and white tugger body, I do not feel the same awesome suction that I was getting before. I feel either a resize or have another same size sent in case the body has manipulated itself over time.

It sucks because I have purchased new springs and want to test my theory with tension differences and I have wanted to use the VLC for this experiment because I remember how comfortable it is to remain on for long periods of time.

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I have been playing around with mine the last couple of days and when I put mine on I get as much blood into my glands as possible without being hard and then I'll put the white cone on and actually press down on the white cone lightly and then roll my skin over it and then put on the skin cone and immediately pull on the metal piece until I can put on the strap or the SG. By doing this I have noticed when I take off the VLC I have a "suction" look to my glands so I believe there needs to be no gaps when putting on the VLC in order to get a better tug on the shaft. So my next step is to find out from Ron if there is actually a white cone for each size possible in my case I measure 41mm flaccid so my white cone should be 41mm or does the white cone size cover X amount of sizes such as 40mm to 45mm. If that's the case that might account for the gap in which case I would want to try the next cone size down. Either way I think I am going to try a different size to see if it makes a difference. I'm going to keep the one I got and just purchase a new white cone, for $35 it's worth trying plus if I buy it I have the 3 month size guarantee which will allow me time to experiment with different sizes if need be.