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whats your stance on masturbation? i used to do it, but never thinking about having sex, looking at nudity (which pretty much makes you think about having sex), or near nudity. is it still a sin then?
the Bible says not to lust, and i always thought that means to not look at women and think about having sex with them. is it wrong to get aroused by looking at a reasonably clothed woman (example attatched) and then going at it?
i mean i dont do it anymore, but i do get tempted and wonder.
 

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Yeah, doesnt matter if they're clothed or not. Lust is lust and according to the bible, lust is only good if its for your wife. So find a hottie and get to work, lol.
 
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I completely disagree with Christianity on this aspect. I think it is human nature to lust after those we find attractive. It is basic animal instinct, and whether you want to admit it or not we are animals...although be it highly intelligent ones. I believe masturbation should be removed from the list of sins, as the sex drive of humans (especially men) is too powerful not to allow some form of release, even if it is self induced.
 
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Yeah, doesnt matter if they're clothed or not. Lust is lust and according to the bible, lust is only good if its for your wife. So find a hottie and get to work, lol.
see, thats what i thought and thats why i dont do it anymore. im not real big on trying to find loopholes in the Bible, but with masturbation its hard not to fool yourself sometimes. its tough cause its like the one sin that we are genetically inclined to commit. i mean when you turn 14 there isnt a hormone that specfically makes you want to steal, kill, lie, or hate people.
 
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Although I'm a christian, I don't believe the actual act of masturbation is a sin. I just think the lust that usually comes with it is, lol
 
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What about a man attracted to a man, hehe it shoudnt be a crime then, according to the bible. lol

Cant get it why you cant look at beutiful women and must hide the attraction... Guess thats only ortodox christianity?
I get attracted by the hot girls everyday, and think of sex! :D
 
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Damn, if I didnt masturbate a couple times a week, I'd go nuts.
 

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In Christianity, everything you feel naturally is a sin.

Wouldn't wanting a bigger dick be a sin in some twisted way as well?

I have nothing against Christianity, just the people who practice it. Ironically, Christians will be the first ones to shoot you if you go against their beliefs. Funny.
 
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In Christianity, everything you feel naturally is a sin.

Wouldn't wanting a bigger dick be a sin in some twisted way as well?

I have nothing against Christianity, just the people who practice it. Ironically, Christians will be the first ones to shoot you if you go against their beliefs. Funny.

Wait, let me get my popcorn. This is going to be good.
 

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In truth, Scripture does not say to not masterbate, because the way the body functions, the pressure created by not masterbating, and the build up of hormones, and over abundance of testosterone in the testes causes cancer. Paul wrote of lust in the heart being equal with the actual practice. The covenant changed when Christ came into the picture, because our thoughts, not just actions have a tremendous effect on the spirit of a man. A woman walks by, a quick glance, that first glance is Satan, the second look is your flesh filled with lust. My point in all this is to say that in Christ we are responsible for our thoughts because no one else can know our thoughts and our heart, if in your heart you are not pure then how can you serve the Lord? The new covenant for us is to serve the Lord with all out hearts, mind, body, and soul, and to love others unconditionally.

I also wish to say that as Christian if someone wishes to discuss beliefs with me that's awesome. I have no problem listening to others beliefs as long as both sides are heard. Have you ever noticed how people react at the mention of the name Jesus Christ? Never have I seen so many people react violently to juwst a name. Why? Think on that for a while. I have no reason to try to force my beliefs on someone, my calling is to serve the Lord and to spread the word. If a person accepts the word because of words I have been blessed to share with them then He be praised, and if not then God be praised for allowing me to share with them, and having the opportunity. Everyday I wake up is a blessing, cause all I have is today, I'm not guaranteed tomorrow, can't worry about something that may not be there. How many hours can you add to your life by worrying? Be blessed.
 

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If it weren't for LUST, men and women wouldn't be attracted to each other and then they could never "be fruitful and multiply".
 

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I can't stop thinking about pussy. Am I possessed by a demon?
 
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If it weren't for LUST, men and women wouldn't be attracted to each other and then they could never "be fruitful and multiply".
thats defintely something to think about. i really wish God would have set out a book in the Bible dealing with lust, masturbation, and sex, but oh well. its not like everything you feel naturally is a sin, i mean asides from issues with sex and masturbation or swearing Christianity entails all the things that humans and societies wish to maintain: no murder, no hate/discrimination, no stealing, no cheating, love and understanding, kindness and helping others, and especially no war. i mean Jesus really does not ask much of us, just to believe in Him and what He did for us, and to honor Him and express our love for Him in how we live by following His teachings in the Bible (ten commandments). you dont have to do any radical "religous" practices or totally warp your lifestyle, the Christians that get all the publicity like televangelists and judgemental protesters (for example the John 3:16 guy on sportscenter today) and such really take advantage of the Bible to justify the things they do to fit their own personality issues. please dont think Christianity means being an uptight self hating and eccentric geek, Jesus wants us to live and enjoy life, in the Bible God gave us the gift of sex and wants us to enjoy it (its not just for procreation as some might say, its an expression of love and should be enjoyed according to the Bible) its not sinful to have big boobs or a big dick or to like or appreciate either. imo i think all these different denominations and interpretations are only rooted in man's desire to massage their own ego by claiming "greater understandings" of God and spiritual matters, but if you really just take Jesus and His teachings for what they are i dont think its supposed to be that complicated and alienating, with "holy" popes, priests, large elaborate shiny churches, and difficult traditions. you can worship God anywhere and in everything you do, church on sunday and what not is really just so that Christians can get together share their faith, its not a rule, but we should get together with other Christians and worship. im not complaining about anti-Jesus and Christianity things that have gone on, i mean the Bible says its supposed to happen, i just to want to maybe have you guys look at it in a different light. its tough when it comes to sex, since almost everything we do is in some way connected to attracting the opposite sex, but Jesus has the right idea, you just gotta trust Him and your conscience will let you know.
 
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What about a man attracted to a man, hehe it shoudnt be a crime then, according to the bible. lol

Cant get it why you cant look at beutiful women and must hide the attraction... Guess thats only ortodox christianity?
I get attracted by the hot girls everyday, and think of sex! :D
well being gay is wrong b/c its a form of perversion that happens when a man gets bored with women, its not genetic. i mean come on if we accept gays then we should accept pedophiles and beastiality think about it, why is being gay looked down upon? because its unnatural right, just like with sex between people of extremely disaproportiante ages and sex with animals. i mean if being gay is okay any unnatural sex and other weird perverted acts between two things should be accpeted as long as its consentual like sex with animals or whatever.
 
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I do not believe gay sex is a perversion. If two adults have a conscenting sex then nobody is hurt, whether they are smae sex, different ages, ect. When sex is wrong it has the capacity to hurt other people. Pedophiles injure the lives of the children they molest. The compariosn is ridiculous. The fact that Christianity leads people to place these types of judgements, and by that I mean moral rationalizing, makes me dislike the practice to an extent. I think what Jesus has to say is terrific: peace, forgiveness and brotherhood. I think what people take from the rest of that book and do as a result is less beneficial to the world as a whole. Follow Jesus's model, forgive and forget. If two men or women enjoy having sex with each other, then accept that is their personal preferance and most likely does not offend whatever particular god it is you have decided reigns hegemony over existence.
 

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Just remember that God created Satan. Everything comes from God. Satan didn't put lust in your heart, GOD DID. If God made us in his own image, then that would mean that God can be capable of love AND hate, creation and destruction. Satan is just a patsy (and the Church's best friend).

That's the trap of religion. Enjoy.
 
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Just remember that God created Satan. Everything comes from God. Satan didn't put lust in your heart, GOD DID. If God made us in his own image, then that would mean that God can be capable of love AND hate, creation and destruction. Satan is just a patsy (and the Church's best friend).

That's the trap of religion. Enjoy.
Godsize,

I enjoy many of your posts, and I think you are very intelligent. It saddens me to see that you are so hell-bent on showing your intelligence by proving everyone else wrong, and, thus, preventing yourself from seeing the truth. It's kind of like your 'Does Penis Enlargement work?' post. Just because you don't see the gains you think you should you are ready to call it all bullshit, even though you have numerous guys here telling you it works, just some people respond physically different to Penis Enlargement. To me that's not intelligent, that's cynical. You strike me as one of those people (and yes, contrary to what your ego would have you believe, you are not alone- there are a whole bunch of you) that are smart enough to raise good questions about Christianity (FYI, many of us Christians ask the same questions), but not smart enough to realize your own intellectual limitations. Think about it... the Bible is the Word of God...do you really think that you are so smart that you understand everything that God says? Or is it maybe, just possible that the God who created everything, knows everything, and allows everything to happen according to His will is a little bit smarter than you?

I'm sure you will have a quick, smart response to this, but I wish you would think about it a little first. You can be very smart and still believe in Christ; I for one, wouldn't think any less of you.
 
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Wow this is cool

Well about lust....the Bible says that we should only have lust towards our wifes....and when your not married it is real hard when you don't know who she is....it says if you lust for another woman you are commiting adultry toward your future wife....confusing

About masterbation...i don't know the exact scripture but the Bible says...."if your hand causes you to sin....cut it off...it is keeping you from God"....something like that

Get your knifes ready
 
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>>>>>>>>>I enjoy many of your posts, and I think you are very intelligent. It saddens me to see that you are so hell-bent on showing your intelligence by proving everyone else wrong, and, thus, preventing yourself from seeing the truth.





It is not Godsize's fault that he acts this way. It is all part of God's divine plan that he act this way. So if you have a problem with GS's behavior, take it up with God - the guy "who created everything, knows everything, and allows everything to happen according to His will", and who is therefore to blame for everything that goes wrong, everywhere, anytime.
 
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Hm...interesting views.

Lust is wrong. Lust toward your wife does not exist. That is love. When I get married I'm going to want to nail my wife's brains out because I love her and I want her to feel that pleasure.

The whole masturbation thing has been brought up before in the thread called "Christianity and Penis Enlargement: Can they co-exist?" or whatever it was called. My views on masturbation can be read there.

The Bible is a unit. To take only part of it and ignore the rest is not possible for intelligent people that know what the Bible contains. To say one part is false is saying the whole thing must be discarded.

God created Satan, yes. And gave him a free will. Satan chose to rebel against God, so God separated Satan from Himself. Satan is now the 'prince of darkness' or whatever you want to refer to him as. There is no evil in God. There is no good in Satan. God allowed Satan to make a choice. He made his choice. God did not put lust into our hearts. Satan did, but we allow him to. We also have free will. You don't have to allow yourself to think sinful thoughts. But don't blame it on God when you do. He gave you the choice. You should have chosen better.

God made us in His own image. In the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve chose to mess that up. We are no longer completely in God's image. God is capable of hate though. A righteous hatred of sin. That is all.

Metal Ed, you are missing the point. God ALLOWS everything to happen. He does not CAUSE it to happen. You cannot blame it on Him. Sin is the product of our own unwillingness to act in the way in which God would want us to act. Its about free choice. God tells us, "You can either do it My way, the right way, or you can do it your way, the wrong way. It's your choice."

Before you start attacking the Bible and God and my beliefs, why don't you learn about what you're fighting against. In order to make a decent argument, you need to know what you're talking about.

I will be glad to discuss Christianity with anyone who will be open-minded about it. Sounds odd coming from a Christian, yes? Well I've found that people that are truly open minded are the ones that come to a realization that Christianity is THE way. It is closed-minded people who don't want to hear our views. I will also be glad to listen to any opposing religious views, but be prepared for me to try to prove you wrong ;) .

John
 
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