The Worst President In History?

If you look at it in those terms relating it to regular life. Then it would be safe to say that America is the big bad bully in school. Just like any bully they will pick on a weaker person. The weaker person being Iraq or Osama. Prior to 9/11 for many years before Osama warned America to get out of their land. Like any bully they are going to laugh and say "what are you gonna do if i don't". As time progresses the weaker person builds up anger and then finally unleashes. Just like how things happen in high school the bully picks on the nerd for a long enough time until the nerd retaliates. You can only be pushed so far before you start pushing back.

A kid gets picked on throughout high school and on the last day comes to school with a gun and kills his enemies. Although what I just said is a bit extreme it still is along the basic lines. Noone will stop to say maybe the kid killed the bully because he was pushed too far. All they will say is the kid is the evil one because in the end he was the killer.

I don't even believe in the word terrorist because it is so hard to define. The US has bombed multiple countries killing innocent people to prove that they are superior. Some of those bombings that were targetted were based on inaccurate information. Does that make the US terrorists?

kausion_420 said:

I believe in having a military every country needs its protection but I think USA takes their military ideas to the extreme. Canada hasn't been overrun by superpowers for not having the strongest military in the world. No other countries even think of attacking Canada.

The majority of america's budget goes to military funding. Whereas other countries spend their budget on things that will directly help the people of their country. In the US the main idea seems to be "if your poor its because you are lazy and stupid so go fuck yourself, and if your rich its because you are smart and you should invest in guns to protect yourself from the poor theives that are decaying our society". Maybe this is because I am looking from outside the circle as I do not live in the US but I do not support bushes actions.

With all the money they spend on military a good portion goes to intellegence. They have more than enough satellites in space spying on people. So what I am wondering is how didn't they know what attack was being planned on them? Once the attacks sprung, how would they not be able to find their enemies? There are so many conspiracies going on in that government I surprised how any american citizen can believe what they hear on the news.

Once again this is just the opinion of someone not living in the US.

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They dont attack canada because atacking canada is like attacking america, not only is it on the same continet, but they are one of our closest allies, attacking a allie is like atacking america

kausion_420 said:

If you look at it in those terms relating it to regular life. Then it would be safe to say that America is the big bad bully in school. Just like any bully they will pick on a weaker person. The weaker person being Iraq or Osama. Prior to 9/11 for many years before Osama warned America to get out of their land. Like any bully they are going to laugh and say "what are you gonna do if i don't". As time progresses the weaker person builds up anger and then finally unleashes. Just like how things happen in high school the bully picks on the nerd for a long enough time until the nerd retaliates. You can only be pushed so far before you start pushing back.

A kid gets picked on throughout high school and on the last day comes to school with a gun and kills his enemies. Although what I just said is a bit extreme it still is along the basic lines. Noone will stop to say maybe the kid killed the bully because he was pushed too far. All they will say is the kid is the evil one because in the end he was the killer.

I don't even believe in the word terrorist because it is so hard to define. The US has bombed multiple countries killing innocent people to prove that they are superior. Some of those bombings that were targetted were based on inaccurate information. Does that make the US terrorists?

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No it was a accicendt called colateral damage and its not inteneded, 9/11 was intended and killed 2000 poeple.

Yes attacking Canada is in a way like attacking America. Although no other countries would have any reason to do so. Most countries view Canada as a humble nation.

With all hipocricy aside, if every country were to be considered somewhat equal what would happen if Iraq were to send troops over to America just for the hell of it. We already know the answer to this, they would be shot down as soon as they entered American airspace. So if this is the case, why does America feel they have to go to every third world country pretending to "help" it? If there was an infinite supply of resources America would never have to do this. They can tell the citizens that they are liberalizing or industrializing a third world nation but in all reality its for their resources. Move to one place use up the resources, move somewhere else and take it over and start using the resources over there.

kausion_420 said:

Yes attacking Canada is in a way like attacking America. Although no other countries would have any reason to do so. Most countries view Canada as a humble nation.

With all hipocricy aside, if every country were to be considered somewhat equal what would happen if Iraq were to send troops over to America just for the hell of it. We already know the answer to this, they would be shot down as soon as they entered American airspace. So if this is the case, why does America feel they have to go to every third world country pretending to "help" it? If there was an infinite supply of resources America would never have to do this. They can tell the citizens that they are liberalizing or industrializing a third world nation but in all reality its for their resources. Move to one place use up the resources, move somewhere else and take it over and start using the resources over there.

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Amen to that K420! I agree 100%

Supra said:

So you dont support the military or anything? I am not Pro bush man, I am a conservative and libratarian, I am pro military. People that serve our country are great and that is why you and me are here man, we would have been over run by superior powers if it was not for the military. They attacked us man, they did.

So if you had a brother that wanted to join the military you would tell him to fuck off and send him hate mail telling him how stupid he is and how he should not be there and on and on of what you had already stated, dont you think that alone would seal his fate and you might never see him again?

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I would support the military if someone came and tried to take our land, no doubt, I'd have my wepons out and ready to fire! I don't hate the military, I disagree with the people in higher powers than the military. I feel sorry for everyone who has lost people over there in Iraq.
Supra if I had a brother in the wanting to go to the military I'd talk to him, and share my concerns. While he was there I'd would never send him hate mail, but words of encouragement. I might not agree with his decision but I'd never turn my back on him because of it.

kausion_420 said:

Prior to 9/11 for many years before Osama warned America to get out of their land. Like any bully they are going to laugh and say "what are you gonna do if i don't". As time progresses the weaker person builds up anger and then finally unleashes. Just like how things happen in high school the bully picks on the nerd for a long enough time until the nerd retaliates. You can only be pushed so far before you start pushing back.

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The fuckers weren't bitchin' when we were helping them fight the USSR in the 80s. Once we served them all they wanted it was time to get the fuck out I guess.

kausion_420 said:

I don't even believe in the word terrorist because it is so hard to define. The US has bombed multiple countries killing innocent people to prove that they are superior. Some of those bombings that were targetted were based on inaccurate information. Does that make the US terrorists?

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We have never killed civillians just to show we are superior. We killed a lot of civilians in order to end WWII, which saved a lot more lives in the long run- US, Canadian, French, Russian, etc. just think how many allies would have died in a full scale land invasion on Japan. Next time you all thanks us for that be gald you're not saying it in German or Japanese. Name a time we have bombed someone just to show we are superior. Of course we have done a lot of babysitting around the globe for the fucking UN. There's a lot of shit we have done on their behalf that I don't really agree with, but that shit has been cut WAY down since Clinton left the White House.

This is going to sound bad, but it needs to be said. I think a lot of countries forget that we are own nation. We are not an extension of some world order governmental body that has to act for the benefit of the entire globe. We have to do what we feel is right for OUR nation at times. I'm sorry that a lot of people around the globe liked Clinton better because he kissed everybody's ass. Our current president has a little more pride than that, and he won't turn the other cheek while our country gets train fucked up the ass by one terrorist group after another.

Think about how much the US does for the world. I mean really, just think how much everyone would have to bitch about if Afghanistan was the world's only superpower. We (Americans) really aren't all that bad. How much more would the world like the US if we took a completely hands-off approach? No civilized world power to keep an eye on things...oh what shit would ensue...think Khadafi, Hussein, Pol Pot, Milosevic, the Taliban, the Ahitollah, Hitler, yeah I can see why WE are so hated...

And as for Canada... the US appreciates our northern neighbor, but Canada has a lot to be thankful to the US for. Canada knows they can skimp by with a small military because the US takes care of our allies, esp. those we border. Canada's economy isn't that great, so if Canada had to provide for their own defense they would be in trouble. Also, their geographic location lends them some protection.

The thing I do envy abt Canada is that they can be isolationist and get away with it. The US can't. Like on Spider-Man- "With great power comes great responsibility" It's our gift, our curse.

Crazyed, I respect your opinion and I enjoy your posts here, but I disagree with you on this. If I come up to you and say I'm gonna shoot you, just wait til I get my gun loaded, what are you going to do? Compare beefing up national security to a kevlar vest- Are you going to run off and get a kevlar vest and hope I shoot you where you're covered? Cuz you can't cover everything with kevlar. I'm willing to bet you're gonna knock my teeth out before I shoot you, because you strike me as a man who can be a badass when the time calls for it. The way I see it, that little scenario is just like what happened with Iraq. We had to do this to protect our nation from a real threat. Waiting for the other guy to strike first, esp. when he's already told you it's coming is fool's roulette. You mentioned all the innocent civilian casualties... we will never know how many people were saved by our preemptive strike on Iraq.

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True enough, sometimes the best offense is a good defense. To be ready for these crazy MFers to come here and try to bomb. I just don't believe we had to go on the offense in Iraq. I think we sould have gone for the al-Qaida off the top. There the real reason behind all this mess. Saddam and Iraq were just easy targets for us to hit first. Al-Qaida is still doing there thing, and we have not stoped them yet, maybe slowed them down but they are the biggest threat to us.
Well we'll just see waht happens in 20 years or so. I took Germany a long time to become a flourishing nation again after the fall of Hitler. Everything takes time as we all know this. But for now this is how I feel.
We got too many problems in america our homeland that are not being addressed. That need focused on. It seems the majority of our energy is going into war.

Texas is not hte only state to have capital punisHydromaxent man, yet you blame it all on bush. If somone came into your house and killed your family, would you not want capital punisHydromaxent for them?

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No its not I live in missouri and we have the capital punisHydromaxent. However the state of Texas while Bush was govenor set a record on people killed on death row. Some did not have a fair trial. in order for a man to be executed by the state the govenor has to O.K it. Realize these killers have familys too. Can they really be a threat to society if there in a 22 hour lock down. A lot of those killed were Vets who served time for there country, and most likley ended up becoming disturbed from the shit they had seen in the military. So the maddness of those individuals were created by the US government. Supra I don't wish death on any man regardless of what he has done. Life in prison, yeah, but not death. Were people not how can we justify killing someone because of his actions in the past? We can't play God IMO, but we can restrain the man from ever doing it again!

Don't forget about the large bombing campaigns Clinton administered many innocent people died there. I understand your views about WW2 but I wasn't referring to that.

As for Canada, they keep there citizens in line because of the US. Canadians don't want to act radically in fear that their nation will become like the US. On the other hand the US keeps its citizens in line by keeping them terrified. A fear monger society. As long as everyone is always afraid they will be looking for help in higher places that being the gov't or military. When that happens its very easy to get away with conspiracies and currupt actions.

US recives false information about a factory producing weapons of mass destruction, they bomb it and kill many people only to find out it was your basic factory. They then turn around and get the media to flood the channels with news about 5 US soldiers being killed by a suicide bomber. The US citizens are now back in fear and the gov't gets away with the bombing.

kausion_420 said:

On the other hand the US keeps its citizens in line by keeping them terrified. A fear monger society.

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Hey that an'it no shit, sometimes I'm scared as fuck just to drive down the street thinking that a crooked ass cop will stop me, run my background and give me a new case! I'm serious man. I've been fucke dwith fro no reason in my own home before just because my girlfriends ex-boyfriend called crime stoppers on me and said I was dealing drugs. I was at home one night and next thing i know my door gets busted in and I got pistols pointed at me. Telling me to get the fuck down. They search and found nothing.

crazyed27 said:

I would support the military if someone came and tried to take our land, no doubt, I'd have my wepons out and ready to fire! I don't hate the military, I disagree with the people in higher powers than the military. I feel sorry for everyone who has lost people over there in Iraq.
Supra if I had a brother in the wanting to go to the military I'd talk to him, and share my concerns. While he was there I'd would never send him hate mail, but words of encouragement. I might not agree with his decision but I'd never turn my back on him because of it.

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WEll then, there are many brothers that have brothers over ther right now, and they need support, not anti-war protesting.

People cant think that if america just does not bother anyome, no one will bother us. Pearl Harbor? 9/11? What happened, they attacked us out of the blue, and we responded back. what are we supposed to do, just sit back and take it up that ass.

If you lost a loved on in 9/11 would you not feel diffenet about the war, of coarse you would. I would like to see on person that lost a loved on in 9/11 going around and doing anti-war protesting. Its not gonna happen man

kausion_420 said:

Yes attacking Canada is in a way like attacking America. Although no other countries would have any reason to do so. Most countries view Canada as a humble nation.

With all hipocricy aside, if every country were to be considered somewhat equal what would happen if Iraq were to send troops over to America just for the hell of it. We already know the answer to this, they would be shot down as soon as they entered American airspace. So if this is the case, why does America feel they have to go to every third world country pretending to "help" it? If there was an infinite supply of resources America would never have to do this. They can tell the citizens that they are liberalizing or industrializing a third world nation but in all reality its for their resources. Move to one place use up the resources, move somewhere else and take it over and start using the resources over there.

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YOu and crazy are not answering the questions. We attacked them cause they killed 2000 of our own people, why cant you see that? Sadam Killed 300,000 innocent people becasue they stood against him. The reason why there is really no one that likes america in Iraq is casue anyone that stood up to Sadam was killed.

crazyed27 said:

Hey that an'it no shit, sometimes I'm scared as fuck just to drive down the street thinking that a crooked ass cop will stop me, run my background and give me a new case! I'm serious man. I've been fucke dwith fro no reason in my own home before just because my girlfriends ex-boyfriend called crime stoppers on me and said I was dealing drugs. I was at home one night and next thing i know my door gets busted in and I got pistols pointed at me. Telling me to get the fuck down. They search and found nothing.

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Thats another thing about US that I dislike. They claim all this racism stopped and blah blah but it hasnt stopped just took a new form. More of an invisible war.

Another US conspiracy that bothers me because the only way I could ever know the truth would to be in the US gov't was the beginning of the crack epidemic. I have read conspiricies about this claiming Bush Senior and the CIA manufactured cocaine into a highly addictive form to flood the ghetto's.

It was George Bush Senior who financed Nicaraguan Democratic Forces (FDN, the Contras) in their 1980s war against the Sandinista regime in Managua, through a cocaine pipeline that went from Colombia, to the San Francisco Bay area, to the streets of Los Angeles, placing crack cocaine and guns into the hands of the Crips and the Bloods urban gangs. Of course you know all of the people in that area are colored and doing this is a silent way for them to kill each other as the US gov't sits back and watches.

crazyed27 said:

Hey that an'it no shit, sometimes I'm scared as fuck just to drive down the street thinking that a crooked ass cop will stop me, run my background and give me a new case! I'm serious man. I've been fucke dwith fro no reason in my own home before just because my girlfriends ex-boyfriend called crime stoppers on me and said I was dealing drugs. I was at home one night and next thing i know my door gets busted in and I got pistols pointed at me. Telling me to get the fuck down. They search and found nothing.

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Bro if you really think that, then you got to stop and look at yourself man, cops aint comming down and busting your doors casue you dont agree with bush.

Guys read the first post, its all trure

Supra said:

YOu and crazy are not answering the questions. We attacked them cause they killed 2000 of our own people, why cant you see that? Sadam Killed 300,000 innocent people becasue they stood against him. The reason why there is really no one that likes america in Iraq is casue anyone that stood up to Sadam was killed.

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Yes I know that but did the US gov't not know these attacks were coming?

Should they not have listened?

When you get a warning you act on it before it becomes a problem you dont wait until it is a problem to escalate the whole situation.

After reading that post about the real reasons why US is in Iraq makes more sense to me why they would attack after the towers were hit.

If it was up to you guys, we would have just let pearl harbor happen, 9/11 happen, all the embasy bombing happen, the USS Cole and Hundreds more. Why do you think this will just go away? They hate america and everything we stand for. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.

If we do not attack and show that america will not stand for this, then they will continue to attack us.

Who said during WW2 "Japan just lost the War For us" That was said after they bombed pearl Harbor, well the same thing happened with 9/11

kausion_420 said:

Yes I know that but did the US gov't not know these attacks were coming?

Should they not have listened?

When you get a warning you act on it before it becomes a problem you dont wait until it is a problem to escalate the whole situation.

After reading that post about the real reasons why US is in Iraq makes more sense to me why they would attack after the towers were hit.

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I dont understand your last sentence

The reason why 9/11 happend was cause of that stuipid rule that CIA cannot share intel with the FBI.

It does not matter if we could have prevented it or not, it happened and the people that did it deseve to die.

I ask you and crazy and everyone else, if you lost someone in 9/11 would you not want revenge!!! Would you not want us to kick there ass!

I joined the Marines casue we had a freind die in 9/11, I joined November 10th, 2001. I am still here casue of that reason and the man next to me life.

Supra said:

If it was up to you guys, we would have just let pearl harbor happen, 9/11 happen, all the embasy bombing happen, the USS Cole and Hundreds more. Why do you think this will just go away? They hate america and everything we stand for. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness.

If we do not attack and show that america will not stand for this, then they will continue to attack us.

Who said during WW2 "Japan just lost the War For us" That was said after they bombed pearl Harbor, well the same thing happened with 9/11

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Actually there are more conspiracies about how they let pearl harbour attack in order to stomp back hard to become the Super power it is today.

Surely their equipment at the time could spot airbone objects from a distance as the did have the technology back then. Once again, if you see a bunch of planes heading your way do you notify someone or just keep quiet.

The problem with the US gov't is there are so many conspiracies and when ever someone investigates and is on to something somehow that case gets closed.

The problem is with america, all the people that died in 9/11 dont care or have any feelings to those. There is prolly not one single person in New york that does not belief in this war. Every New Yorker is so Pro War its not even funny. About 100 guys in my company are from New York, mabey more. And the rest Texans like myself:D

All I ask is for you to think if you had lost a loved on, or if you had a loved one in Iraq,I reallly want to see someone post and say they lost a loved one in 9/11 or they loved on is in Iraq and they dont support him at all! Its not going to happen, you guys are anit war casue you have not lost anything