DHT will not shut you down... it amazes me how people are so quick to jump on drugs that they have no idea about. Here's a quick snippet of DHT:

DHT is the conversion product of testosterone at the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, the result being a hormone that is 3 to 4 times as androgenic and is structurally incapable of forming estrogen. One would imagine then that mesterolone would be a perfect drug to enhance strength and add small but completely lean gains to the frame. Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha (5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol), a prohormone if you will. It can equally convert back to DHT by way of the same enzyme when low levels of DHT are detected.

Exogenous DHT will only be effective IF you have low DHT levels to begin with. AS for IGF-1, it does not suppress HPTA either. The only thing i can think of that would cause your problems is the interaction of several of the compounds you were taking took a bad turn. Hard to tell which ones cuz you didn't have detailed logs of the experiment.

2500 cal a day for your diet is also kinda low... i'm 5'10, 190lbs and i eat 2300-2400 cals a day when i'm trying to get leaner. When i'm trying to gain weight, i usually eat in the 4000 cal range.

Bro stick to what worked for the big cocks (DLD, SWM, Red, etc...) on this board. Time, discipline, and good 'ole fashioned hard work. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS!
 
Have read a bit around about DHT, hard to find info about it shutting you down or not, but where people have asked the question, the answer is generally yes, it will shut you down.

I have used Andractim for two weeks at a time and it did not do anything for my gyno. I know 2 weeks is not very long, but the stuff is a steroid and will shut down the HTPA. Plus it being DHT can be very rough on the hairline. I would like to know how the stuff shrinks gyno. I mean is there a true "localized effect" or does it just act as an aromatase inhibitor, because DHT helps to regulate estrogen. Plus if you take Andractim, natural test is shut down and all your body has is a non-aromatisable androgen in it.

1. I suspect the results will be permanent, but we don't know until we use it and go off.
2. Yes it can produce test like side effects. I am horney as hell on it. My balls have shrunk and I suspect I will need clomid when off.

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread/t-62103.html
 
to answer your question--

yeah on the 12th day i had shown up to the gym & started by back day with pull ups. I did ONE rep & thats when everything went downhill. I had no interest to be there or do anything physical. I completely lost any interest in sex or anything that had to do with it. (pe'ing included)---

My balls never shrunk on the stuff though--

did you pull that off the anabolex forum dagger?
 
Dagger, i read that link and although it wasn't very informative, it got me thinking. I did some searches on PubMed and a few other BB sites and the conclusion is that DHT is suppressive. I stand corrected...

by replacing the testosterone in the body, which then has the effect of reducing the amount of estrogen in the body... DHT is a strong androgen that will signal the pituitary to decrease the production of gonadotropins. The decrease in gonadotropins will then cause less testosterone to be produced which will in turn cause the estrogen levels to drop...

US patent 5,648,350 "Dihydrotestosterone for use in androgenotherapy". The following illustrates the results:

"In 27 subjects in which the plasma DHT level was controlled, so as to modulate the administered doses, said levels have been increased to 2.5 to 6 ng/ml. There resulted a decrease in gonadotrophy as well as in the plasma levels of testosterone which exceeded at least 1.5 ng/ml (from 0.5 to 1.4 according to the case); as to the estradiol plasma levels, these decreased by 50%.

So we now know that DHT suppresses HPTA, but application of this cream for 12 days shouldn't have suppressed yamaha that much. Suppression isn't an on/off switch, it is a gradual downgrade of test levels that occurs thru the HPTA feedback mechanism and takes a good 2+ weeks to get fully suppressed. I've know lots of BB's that take high doses of androgens for 2-weeks cycles and never really suffer much sides from suppression. In fact, PCT isn't even necessary (but still highly recommended).

I personally would never use DHT cuz i know that i'm very susceptible to prostrate hypertrophy. I don't know Yamaha's experience with androgens so at best i'm speculating but maybe he especially sensitive to androgens and/or he has low test levels to begin with.

Good discussion though... learned something new.
 
i had to reply to this. first of all, any exogenous hormones put into the body will cause the body to stop producing its own. this occurs because of the body's many negative feedback mechanisms. it wasn't the igf that shut down your testosterone production, it was the dht. igf will only shut down your growth hormone production but only very temporarily (for a matter of hours). dht isn't testosterone, but rather a derivative of it that it about 3 times more androgenic than testosterone. when the body has a high enough level of it, a signal will be sent to the hypothalamus to stop producing testosterone (its precursor). this is part of the negative feedback loop i mentioned above. this is what you are experiencing. it really depends on the person, but it usually takes about 2-3 weeks for the body to shut down test production. before that, your body is most likely just producing much lower levels of test and also very sporadically. my recommendation to you is stop all drugs except those used for pct. and that does NOT mean hcg. this should not be used in this case. it WILL keep you shut down and can also complicate things further.
 
So what's new here? Maybe cycle DHT 1 week a month or possibly 2 weeks if you only do it twice a week...
 
Thread edited to remove 100% all CAPS in thread title. Your "caps lock" button is over on the left of your keyboard mate. Shouting annoys a lot of people, me included.
 
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