Boy, this thread has gotten a reply for every 10 views. Is this a hot button issue:D
 
White people make up the majority of hip hop artists' album sales. Whether it was 2Pac, Biggie, or Ludacris *puke*.

Yet again, Individualism owns but most people are afraid to think that way because of insecurities, arrogance, pride, etc.

Also it's stupid to say who invented this and that. A white person invented the fucking light bulb (guess who?). Does that fucking mean it belongs to the white man? Please don't bring the whole this race invented that, etc. I hate that.

One of the best in rock was jimi Hendrix (one of my heros) and one of the best in hip hop is Eminem (whether you like it or not). One is popular to whites the other blacks. Who cares?

You just gotta take people for who they are.
 
crazyed27 said:
And I don 't think you can say that anybody "stole" anyone else's genre of music. As if ONLY black people should have been allowed to play jazz.


I mean that white corprate america took black music made it popular, and promoted almost exclusively white musicans! They tried the same shit with RAP, Vanilla Ice was the test subject, it did'nt work to well!

What ive seen in docimentries an that kind, the black-slaves created the music.
I cannot understand why White americans could just take the genre and call it their own, its so wrong. They didnt let black mix with whites when in a place listening to Jazz and other. It were still kind of slavery, the black man entertaining the rich white upperclass. How come they werent allowed to go to the public restrooms and all that? What were they afraid of?
For got sakes the slavery ended, but still they were threated like dirt, and where called out names and like 'go home to africa'.

I suggest to you all to se the movie: Bowling for Columbine, there you see with your own eyes.
 
I actually Stole Hiphop. I was prosecuted, I got a suspended sentence and I am on probation now.
 
@ lonerj: Nice post!

GhosT_DoGG said:
I suggest to you all to se the movie: Bowling for Columbine, there you see with your own eyes.

I heard that Michael Moore amde a lot of mistakes in his books, so I wouldn´t take this documentary too seriously....

@ DLD: You are pretty poor! But I hope you get over it and steal something new.... ;)))

C YA!
 
Nobody said that any genre belonged to anyone. And who cares if white people or black people listen to it. If you like a cretain type of music, listen to it! If I like jazz, you can't say that it's wrong for me to play it. Jazz is not "black people music." Nor is it "white people music." It is an American music. That's it. Who cares who plays it?

Yes, slaves invented blues. And from that came jazz in New Orleans. People started to like jazz. Note I said "people" and not "just blacks." So white people started playing it too. Black people also kept playing it, and most of the best jazz players in history have been black. Nobody tried to make it a white music. It's just good American music. That's all. Why does it matter if white people decide that they like music that black people invented? That's like me saying "Black people shouldn't be able to play classical music. It's just wrong." Do you see how racist that is?

John
 
GhosT_DoGG said:
I suggest to you all to se the movie: Bowling for Columbine, there you see with your own eyes.

Dont get me started on him, but as Ive said before:

Gun control in the US is racist and was actually started to "control" blacks. The early drafts of the first federal gun control were based on the exact translations of German gun control legislation used to disarm Jews. The right to bear arms is very important , especially for minorities who may feel threatened by a "tyranny of the majority." Basically back in the day, when a black man could get hanged for trying to vote or glancing at a white woman, a lot of blacks supported using guns as a means of self defense. White racists, not wanting blacks to be able to arm&defend themselves, as well as out of fear of blacks, sought to write gun control legislation. They realized this would cause constitutional opposition, so they changed gun control laws to apply to all citizens, to comply with the Equal Protection clause. But make no mistake, these laws were made to disarm blacks the way Hitler did to the Jews. BTW, every socialist dictatorship ( Nazi, Stalinist,etc) has started with gun control and eventual abolisHydromaxent. People who support gun control, either directly or indirectly support tyranny, and for a large part racism.

As far as Michael Moore, his work was pure "fiction." And anybody who is stupid enough to try to blame Dick Clark for a kid getting shot in school, is not only using convoluted stretching circular, illogic. He is also a disgrace to the human race.
 
lonerj said:
Oh really?

My mom almost got beat to death by 2 blacks kids and they wouldn't stop beating her even though they got the money because she was a "chink". They put them in jail and a month later they got released - great justice. My family had to close the business because it was too dangerous and my mom suffered severe head injuries and couldn't work

Everyday all the black people - the kids, the adults, the women, the elderly came into our shop and called my mom a chink and teased us.

I'm half white half korean (if you care).

NOW, consider these things and really think about everything you just said. It takes alot of courage for someone to go through what I did to still respect black people. My mom had suffered from head injuries for years because of that shit.

I went through shit FIRST-Penis EnlargementRSON. I have more knowledge about racism than you probably could even fathom. Don't try to bring up your dad to just prove a point. I lived in the fucking slums and 95% or more of blacks were racist there. They grabbed their balls in front of us to show their "masculinity" and they they acted superior because we weren't "hip hop".

That argument really doesnt hold weight. No kind or form of racism that any other race has experienced comes even close to comparing to what blacks in america went through during and after slavery. Not only was this racism violent and hateful, but it was supported by the national government until around the 1960's. Slavery itself went on for 100s of years in the world. Some many horrible things happened as a result of slavery, thousands and thousands of blacks were routinely mutilated, raped, lynched, and treated as second class human beings for years and years and years. Now how hard do you think it is for black people to respect white people after all of that!? Blacks have been put severely behind economically and socially because of racism. This is what leads to us living in slums, doing drugs, eating fast food, and dealing with our frustration in a wrong and violent way with reverse racism and superior attitudes. Yeah, I didnt experience the lynchings and what not myself, but Im forced to deal with the aftermath and that is why we get and DESERVE the things that the government gives us. So before you start whining about how blacks think they are "cooler" than everybody consider all we have gone through to get to where we are today, and if we misuse or abuse what weve earned than that is wrong and im sorry, but before you hold us up as such horrible people, think about who you are what white America did even after slavery had ended and how that is the real root of the problem.
 
9cyclops9 said:
Nobody said that any genre belonged to anyone. And who cares if white people or black people listen to it. If you like a cretain type of music, listen to it! If I like jazz, you can't say that it's wrong for me to play it. Jazz is not "black people music." Nor is it "white people music." It is an American music. That's it. Who cares who plays it?

Yes, slaves invented blues. And from that came jazz in New Orleans. People started to like jazz. Note I said "people" and not "just blacks." So white people started playing it too. Black people also kept playing it, and most of the best jazz players in history have been black. Nobody tried to make it a white music. It's just good American music. That's all. Why does it matter if white people decide that they like music that black people invented? That's like me saying "Black people shouldn't be able to play classical music. It's just wrong." Do you see how racist that is?

John

I agree with music invented in america as american music. Though what went on was the music industry completely disrespecting the black artist. It still going on today. Causing ill feelings with many black music lovers and musicans. The state of hip hop today, look at it, bling bling, hoes, hydro, and bank rolls. Escalades sittin on dubs, gucci, sex, guns. ect...The music industry has control of what goes out to the main stream. You will rarley find deep thought provoking hip hop on the mainstream. This hip hop does exist in the undergroud. The record companys contruibute to the negative image of the black man and woman, they find a young person with talent, throw money in there face and pretty much tell them this is your image if you don't want to do it you won't get paid, and here by the way sign on the dotted line...its been going on for years and years.
 
Z03, the point is that this isn't happening anymore. The only way to get past all the crap that happened before is to do just that: get past it. Do what you can to make life better for you and your family, because yes, blacks did get put behind by all the racism. But don't expect special rights and protections. The Irish didn't get it, the Jews didn't get it, immigrants from poor third world countries don't get it. Blacks shouldn't be any different. They should have just as many rights and protections as anyone else. No more, no less. You don't deserve anything extra because of what my ancestors did to your ancestors. It's history now.

And just because lonerj isn't black doesn't mean his argument doesn't hold weight. Racism is racism. It's wrong no matter who it is directed at. You saying that it isn't as bad since it is directed at a white/korean person is a very racist statement in itself.

I wonder, do you also think Jews should be given more rights? If we follow your logic, Jews should have WAY more rights, etc. than any other race. They have been persecuted for thousands of years. Much longer than blacks. Don't give me this crap about you DESERVE more than other people. You are a HUMAN. That's what it boils down to. We all deserve no more and no less than anyone else. Just because you're black doesn't mean you are better. We are all human. Get over this race crap because in the end race is nothing.

John
 
z03 said:
That argument really doesnt hold weight. No kind or form of racism that any other race has experienced comes even close to comparing to what blacks in america went through during and after slavery. Not only was this racism violent and hateful, but it was supported by the national government until around the 1960's. Slavery itself went on for 100s of years in the world. Some many horrible things happened as a result of slavery, thousands and thousands of blacks were routinely mutilated, raped, lynched, and treated as second class human beings for years and years and years. Now how hard do you think it is for black people to respect white people after all of that!? Blacks have been put severely behind economically and socially because of racism. This is what leads to us living in slums, doing drugs, eating fast food, and dealing with our frustration in a wrong and violent way with reverse racism and superior attitudes. Yeah, I didnt experience the lynchings and what not myself, but Im forced to deal with the aftermath and that is why we get and DESERVE the things that the government gives us. So before you start whining about how blacks think they are "cooler" than everybody consider all we have gone through to get to where we are today, and if we misuse or abuse what weve earned than that is wrong and im sorry, but before you hold us up as such horrible people, think about who you are what white America did even after slavery had ended and how that is the real root of the problem.


I agree white oppression, caused black retaliation, no doubt about it. Years and years of mistreatment, even after slavery, even to this day. A black family finds it much harder to get a home with a decent loan, its proven whites automatcially get a better price, and intrest rate, even if the two subjects have an identical credit rating. Same goes with car prices and loans, same goes with insurance. In genral police give black men and women a harder time when being pulled over. Some of those that work as police are racist. Black men will recieve a longer jail sentence than a white man will for the same exact type of crime. Why corprate racism at work. A lot more racism goes on than the normal person believes.
 
crazyed27 said:
I agree with music invented in america as american music. Though what went on was the music industry completely disrespecting the black artist. It still going on today. Causing ill feelings with many black music lovers and musicans. The state of hip hop today, look at it, bling bling, hoes, hydro, and bank rolls. Escalades sittin on dubs, gucci, sex, guns. ect...The music industry has control of what goes out to the main stream. You will rarley find deep thought provoking hip hop on the mainstream. This hip hop does exist in the undergroud. The record companys contruibute to the negative image of the black man and woman, they find a young person with talent, throw money in there face and pretty much tell them this is your image if you don't want to do it you won't get paid, and here by the way sign on the dotted line...its been going on for years and years.

Do you know why the music industry pushes this image with black people? It isn't because white people are trying to take over the world. It's because the audience that primarily listens to this music wants to hear all this stuff you talk about. The music industry is not in it to make people think. They are in it for money. So they promote what the American public wants to hear. Do you think they would promote the "gangsta" image if nobody wanted to hear it and nobody bought it? NO. They do it because that is what is popular. So the artists that really have something to say steer clear and only show up in "the underground" and on indie labels. Why? Because they know that they won't sell millions of records anyway, because the mojority of America doesn't want to hear it. I'm not saying this is good. I wish that some really GOOD music would be promoted. But whoever said this said it best: "Nobody ever went broke by underestimating the taste of the American public." You don't see thought-provoking rappers because most of America doesn't have good enough taste to listen to it. It isn't white peoples' faults. It isn't the fault of "white corporate America." It's simply a result of our times. People don't want to have to think. They just want to enjoy themselves.

John
 
One thing we all need to remember: I don't think there are any more racist white people than there are black people. Yes, a black man is likely to get treated worse by white people than a white man. But the opposite is also true. A white person is likely to get treated worse by black people than a black man would. The thing is, IT IS WRONG, no matter who is treating whom badly.

Arguing about which race is treated worse is like arguing which band is better. It's pointless. What we need to do is not focus on how badly a certain group is treated, but instead focus on treating EVERYBODY with more respect and love than we do right now. Don't look at someone's color. We are all just people. MJ said it best. It don't matter if you're black or white. We need to all just learn to treat everybody better.

John
 
I'm through,I love all people! But I hate fake ass people! Good points everybody! Everybody deserves much respect. This could have easily turned into a heated name calling session, but everybody kept it mature!!!! Peace!
 
9cyclops9 gets 1000 points for his posts.... you are right on EVERY aspect you have mentioned.....
9cyclops9 said:
MJ said it best. It don't matter if you're black or white. We need to all just learn to treat everybody better.

Yeah, he said that, because he WAS black and is white NOW.... well he looked WAAAAAAAAY much better as a black!!!

C YA!
 
z03 said:
This is what leads to us living in slums.

You didn't live in the slums....

z03 said:
For me, growing up in the suburbs

You are making all these statements about how you have been held down socioeconomically, yet you grew up in the suburbs. Doesn't sound like too bad of a life you have there. Doesn't sound like you were held back

I called you on several racist statements you yourself have made, but no response was made by you. Why is that? Reverse racism is no better.


Many people have come to this country with nothing much later than segregation ended and they have been able to make a life for themselves. No to mention the countless number of blacks who have succeeded in all walks of life and are looked up to by people of all color.

Nobody doubts what happened to the black people was terrible, but how long is this going to be an excuse for why black people are being held back? Is there a time frame on it? How long does it take?
 
z03 said:
That argument really doesnt hold weight. No kind or form of racism that any other race has experienced comes even close to comparing to what blacks in america went through during and after slavery. Not only was this racism violent and hateful, but it was supported by the national government until around the 1960's. Slavery itself went on for 100s of years in the world. Some many horrible things happened as a result of slavery, thousands and thousands of blacks were routinely mutilated, raped, lynched, and treated as second class human beings for years and years and years. Now how hard do you think it is for black people to respect white people after all of that!? Blacks have been put severely behind economically and socially because of racism. This is what leads to us living in slums, doing drugs, eating fast food, and dealing with our frustration in a wrong and violent way with reverse racism and superior attitudes. Yeah, I didnt experience the lynchings and what not myself, but Im forced to deal with the aftermath and that is why we get and DESERVE the things that the government gives us. So before you start whining about how blacks think they are "cooler" than everybody consider all we have gone through to get to where we are today, and if we misuse or abuse what weve earned than that is wrong and im sorry, but before you hold us up as such horrible people, think about who you are what white America did even after slavery had ended and how that is the real root of the problem.


I get real sick and tired of hearing black men and women complain about what "they had to go through" like 100 years ago or earlier. It is really not important now. Why live for the past Z03 and worry about what happened then. It doesnt really matter now does it. There are so many other things to enjoy in life rather than wine about how your ancestors were slaves once. This is the problem that 90% of black people have is this attitude that we as white people owe them something. White people dont owe black people shit. Its not our fault what happened 100 years ago and neither is it the black person's fault either. I have many good black friends and get along with them just great. Everyone is different my friend. Its more than just white versus black. There is more of a genetic variation in the white race between actual individuals claiming to be white than the black race also. And another thing i would like to point out is that the black people were treated bad as slaves at some point but your own kings in Africa sold you so you cant blame it on whites. The Jews were treated and persecuted way more than the black race EVER HAS!!!!!!
 
Just some "Final Thoughts":

As I said the Rx is "individualism and personal responsibility." Most people wont embrace these concepts because it is too easy not to.

As an individualist, I dont believe in collective guilt or collective achievement. I don't believe in "collective" anything. It is anti-conceptual. I dont treat people as lumps of genetic material nor as herds or tribes.

As long as collectivism lives, so will racism. It takes many forms and no matter the name, they are all the same. And collectivism cannot be fought with another form of collectivism. Nationalism or fascism cannot be fought with socialism and vice versa. I think racism will always exist because collectivism will never die, but hopefully it will exist on a small level, in the hearts of only a few cowards.
 
First of all stop generalizing. I do not think all blacks complain about being held down by 100 or 1000 f--king years of slavery stop generalizing. We "blacks" do not all feel the same way.

Ok, I get f--king tired of hearing about blacks complaining myself because it is a reflecting on me. So chill out. This issue is never going to change.

People are going to have there opinions, racism will exist. It is not about black and white. The problem is bigger then the same shit.

Black people have problems. Hell everyone has issues. What are you going to do about it. Hell racism exists with black people. It is not about white people being racist anymore. Black people have the problem now. So I suggest to those black gentlemen enough is enough stop bringing up 100 to 1000 years of slavery. If I was white then I to would get tired of hearing about blacks complaining about being slaves all the "damn" time as well.

This shit will never change. It will be here until we are all old and gray.

So we need to call it a day.
 
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