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Xulf said:

lonerj and playa7- I understand that this is a heated debate, but don't lose your cool, it doesn't help in the points you are trying to make

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Hey Xulf if it seems that I lost my cool in my post, then maybe I´m too stupid to express myself... ))
I don´t have a real problem with it at all.... But sometimes it seems (maybe only to me) like the blacks express themselves as angels and the whites are the evil ones..... I hope you get my points....
And well I read your post and I agree with EVERY part of it!!!

@ z03: I think you are a VERY intelligent person, but I smell a bit of hate in your posts... and I agree with Xulf on that one:

Btw, z03 I believe you to be very articulate, and you have yet to lose your cool over this, that is very respectable, but from what I have read, you have a very racist tone towards all other races.

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z03,

First off,
I am glad you joined this discussion, and I appreciate your viewpoint, and you do bring up good points.

My whole point is: If you want to acknowledge racial differences, as you do, then you can't have it both ways. You have to acknowledge there are areas where some races excell and others where they lag behind. I personally dont like to get into this because I treat everyone on an individual basis. There are geniuses of all races and ignorant fucktards of all races.

I agree some with your cultural view of intelligence, but not all. There are many blacks today who are not affected much at all by slavery and past events ( I will not however, like a lot of people, say that racism does not exist anymore). Many blacks kids growup in well-off, 2 parent households, and may do well academically, yet are stil likely to have an IQ slightly less than a comparable white kid. I really dont think IQ is a huge indicator of success or worth as a person anyway. To me, things that one attains in life are much more valuable than what one is born with.

I also agree that it is often white people who are fixated on black penis size. Others have spoken on blacks in the media bragging,etc. I see this, but I more often see or hear white men and women fixated on this subject, often in an envious manner. In many regards white people are the ones really interested in black penis size.

That said, I dont think the purpose of this forum is to bring down the black race in regard to penis size. It is rather to attempt to deal with things objectively in reality. Such as dispelling myths that "all black guys have 10 inch dicks" or what have you. As I said, I do think there is a racial difference, but I think there is huge overlap.

This topic wasnt originally about racism, but I have to put in my 2 cents. It is true that certain races do have protected status, and if a white person says anything that includes race, he is automatically called racist. Whats strange is, this often when a white person is actually fighting racism. People like Bill Oreilly and Rush limbaugh are called racist for no reason. You might not like them and I admit its easy to not like guys like that sometimes, but I have never seen them as racist. What Rush said about Donovan McNabb was not racist in any way. In fact he was accusing the NFL media of being racist. Many other blacks agreed with him and most agreed with him the previous week on the black coach issue. Clear thinking people knew what he said was probably a really stupid comment, but not racist. Bill Oreilly on the other hand, has supported many charities and raised millions of dollars for mentoring programs and other things for inner city kids. He says seeing how black people were treated in Boston was one of the main reasons that made him want to be a journalist and try to make a difference. Yet he is called a racist by many people. As a hip-hop fan, I can say he goes overboard attacking that, but so do a lot of older black people.

Some of my favorite writers, radio hosts, and academics are black. For example, Thomas Sowell (economist), Walter Williams (past George Mason Economics chair),and Larry Elder ( talk show, columnist). Yet because they all are conservative leaning libertarians, they are constantly called "Uncle Toms" and other racist drivel ( both by blacks and and whites). I see a serious problem in that successful and intelligent black people are ridiculed and called Uncle Tom and "sellout" etc. And I dont meant just by other blacks. When limousine liberal white folks call black people "Uncle Toms" and "race traitors" ( usually in more subtle terms) just because they are either A) Successful or B) not socialists; this disgusts me. Yet when I defend successful blacks who are attacked, I am called a racist?

Racism still exists on many levels. I learned this first when I was about 6 years old. I am a white male and my mother married a black man. I never had any problem with it and never really gave it a second thought. It was only other people that had a problem and tried to put things into my head. It was basically a rude awakening because I thought racism was rare. Yet when I would have friends come over the house and they would never come back or never talk to me again; I realized it wasnt that rare. It wasnt just white kids either. A lot of black kids and their parents thought interracial was wrong. When I went to a new school when I was 11, I made a lot of new friends. One day, I was riding bicycles with my family, which now included a 3 yr old brother and 1 yr old sister and we saw one of my friends. I didn't think anything of it. Yet the next day at school, I suddenly had no friends anymore and no one would sit with me at lunch. People walked by me in the halls and at my desk saying things like "nigger lover." They would smear chocolate pudding on napkins at lunch and say "Does this remind you of your nigger father." They would says things about hanging my brother and sister. My stepfather died when I was 12 in an accident and they made fun of that too. This one guy in particular. As mean as this sounds, I was glad when his father had a heart attack the next year. Almost every day before school, during lunch, and after school, someone would try to fight me or jump me for no reason. This went on for about 3 years until I left school and finished homeschooling myself.

So anyway my point is: Racial issues have a lot of layers, and racism seems to be rare, but its naive to think it doesnt exist. Unfortunately, a lot of people play the race card when there is nothing there. There are racial differences and ignorances perpetuated by all races, and no matter how much we talk about it, we arent changing it. The only cure IMO, is to embrace a philosophy of reason and individualism, but I doubt more than 15% of the populace has.

lonerj said:

My post was not an attack. I think black people have far more benefits than any other ethnic races and it's true. You don't have asian, middle eastern or other ethnic races funding MILLION OF DOLLARS in charities for the black race only, other races do not have equal opportunities in jobs, other races don't have human rights leaders that defend and fight for blacks, other races don't have equal educational opportunities, other races don't have a whole month dedicated to them.

I honestly find that fucking sickening. And guess what? It is racist to say something against blacks. I see black kids picking on a white kid because he's white and nobody won't say anything. They also can get away calling other races racial slurs yet when another race doesn't use a racial slur but does mention something a little stereotypic about blacks, then that person is racist (ESPenis EnlargementCIALLY ON TV).

I notice this everyday and I am fucking mad. All I want is some REAL EQUALITY (yes, that is alot to ask for) but when you see blacks complaining that they don't have enough or they want this and want that, when they are really getting more benefits than any other race (even whites) it really pisses me off -- since most of them are not even grateful.

And that whole hip-hop machismo image promotes the fact that black people are superior to other races and this is no joke. Why is it that these black kids think they are better than other races nowadays?

I'm not saying that everybody is like that but alot of fucking black people are. I grew up facing so much racism from black people and I find black people to be more racist than others more than any others. I also think it's idiotic that White America so strongly supports the whole black thing without giving limitations. White America will allow black people to say almost anything and when somebody says something about blacks, they get jumped by the world when it should be equally frowned upon.

No, I'm not saying let's all diss black people, I'm saying it's not fair for many black people to get respect if they cannot show it. We need more respect towards each other.





I think it's great to celebrate who you are without attacking others. Black people are the ones that show off the whole penis myth... I don't think people go point and say look "black people got big penises". I agree with quijjiboo that the "myth" is being propagated by blacks as well as superiority through hip hop culture and physical characteristics.

Don't even attempt to label me racist because I've come across too many of these kinds of black people to know what the whole deal is. I know not every black person is like that (obviously), just like not every black person is hung or whatever but the way media affects the black audience promotes that kind of superiority attitude.

I'm not trying to disprove the whole myth by making false statements because I'm "jealous" or whatever. I really despise the whole superiority attitude that a huge bulk of black people really carry around with them and it's offensive to me.

I've seen enough black penises in the gym to know that the hung ordeal is overdone -- why was it that 1 white person was bigger than the other 4 blacks and why weren't they 4 blacks SUPenis EnlargementR HUNG compared to ther other whites who were really the same size?

I believe in individualism and I don't really believe your statement "no matter how long our penises were or how high we could jump, you were still just another dumb nigger". So does having a big dick makes you a better person? Please don't tell me you fall under the category of what I was just talking about.

I fucking came from a PISS POOR family that lived worse than most black people. Three of us slept in the same room and we lived with crappy plumbing, broken walls, roaches and rats. It's fucking offensive when black people complain about their lack of whatever when my family had jackshit and had to work our way up with no complaint and unfair gov't treatments.

Oh yea the whole black people are getting smaller b/c they eat lots of fast food wasn't racist, it's true -- since McDonalds have start marketing worldwide, statistics of disease and health problems have went up in other countries. That shit ain't healthy and I honestly believe smoking, drugs, bad diet effects your size -- just look at fat people who smoke if you don't believe me.

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When my dad graduated from high school, he had to attend an all black college in order to get a degree.
Only in 1990, were apartheid laws repealed in South Africa.

Now, consider these things and really think about everything you just said.

bigbutnottoo said:

z03,

The only cure IMO, is to embrace a philosophy of reason and individualism, but I doubt more than 15% of the populace has.

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I agree. Isn't it funny how in a certain situation, a black man can think he is superior by relying on his "black heroes" from the entertainment industry to prove that his race or he/she himself is worth his/her salt.

It's cool that you can look up to them but look at it this way:

Black people are this and black people are that but if your black hero rapper has a big dick, athletic, and muscular -- that doesn't mean you are.

Just because Beyonce is on the front cover doesn't mean you are anywhere near her (if you're female).

Individualism owns. If you were to be classified by a metalhead (which is me), you'd just be another dumb ass sheep riding the wave of media propaganda.

And yes racism is still VERY STRONG. I go to a hip hop forum and guess what? The black kids are saying shit like chinks and gooks while complaining about racism. That offends me so much to the point I want to kill those damn ignits. These same fuckers who are ones who also say they got big dicks and act superior against whites, asians, muslims, etc.

I also see alot of KKK and white power growing in the underground and I have reason to believe that it will keep growing. The White power supremists do have a point when they say that Black people have more benefits and it is unfair for them. They are also offended when black people can easily call somebody names like dumb white boy, etc. because they like me, understand that alot of blacks act superior and white people are being oppressed more and more each day.

I can definetly understand what they are talking about because these white people (who most people will refer to as white trash) pay their taxes to the gov't and it goes to lots of black people. They also do not get the benefits blacks do. But I disagree on the point that they have to be racist about it.

z03 said:

When my dad graduated from high school, he had to attend an all black college in order to get a degree.
Only in 1990, were apartheid laws repealed in South Africa.

Now, consider these things and really think about everything you just said.

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Oh really?

My mom almost got beat to death by 2 blacks kids and they wouldn't stop beating her even though they got the money because she was a "chink". They put them in jail and a month later they got released - great justice. My family had to close the business because it was too dangerous and my mom suffered severe head injuries and couldn't work

Everyday all the black people - the kids, the adults, the women, the elderly came into our shop and called my mom a chink and teased us.

I'm half white half korean (if you care).

NOW, consider these things and really think about everything you just said. It takes alot of courage for someone to go through what I did to still respect black people. My mom had suffered from head injuries for years because of that shit.

I went through shit FIRST-Penis EnlargementRSON. I have more knowledge about racism than you probably could even fathom. Don't try to bring up your dad to just prove a point. I lived in the fucking slums and 95% or more of blacks were racist there. They grabbed their balls in front of us to show their "masculinity" and they they acted superior because we weren't "hip hop".

bigbutnottoo said:

z03,
My whole point is: If you want to acknowledge racial differences, as you do, then you can't have it both ways. You have to acknowledge there are areas where some races excell and others where they lag behind. I personally dont like to get into this because I treat everyone on an individual basis. There are geniuses of all races and ignorant fucktards of all races.

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I agree!!

And I´m sorry about your past! This must have been pretty hard!

@ lonerj: I´m sorry to hear that about your mum and about your "bad" past, but this:

And yes racism is still VERY STRONG. I go to a hip hop forum and guess what? The black kids are saying shit like chinks and gooks while complaining about racism. That offends me so much to the point I want to kill those damn ignits. These same fuckers who are ones who also say they got big dicks and act superior against whites, asians, muslims, etc.

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goes too far!!

C YA!

Lots of white people are racist. Lots of black people are racist. Lots of Hispanic people are racist. Are any of them in the right? No.

I agree with whomever it was that said we should be REALLY equal. Yeah, as far as physical characteristics, we aren't equal. Who cares? So it may be easier for black people to build big muscles and run fast. Does that make them superior to anybody? No. It just gives them a natural inclination toward physical strength. My IQ is 155. Does that make me better than anyone? No. It just means I didn't have to work hard at all in school. I should be a doctor or scientist, you say? No. I'm a musician.

And don't fool yourself into thinking that blacks are any "better" with music. Yeah, they've generally been better historically with rap, jazz, funk, gospel, soul, etc. White people have hitorically been better with classical, rock, techno, pop, and such. Does this mean that there aren't AMAZING white jazz players, gospel singers, and the like? No it doesn't. The same way that there are great rock, pop, and classical black musicians. Why? Because rap, jazz, funk, etc. have been a part of black culture more so than white culture. And rock, pop, classical and such have been more a part of white culture.

My point is this. WHO CARES?? Nobody should be given more rights than anybody else. And thinking that your race is overall superior to any other is doing exactly what Hitler was doing to the Jews. He had convinced all of Germany that Jews were inferior to anyone else. And I see blacks trying to convince whites that we are inferior to them. And you call us racist.

Oh by the way, I go to the biggest and best contemporary music school in the world. There isn't really any race that is more prominent here. Blacks, whites, asians, Latinoes, and everybody are all pretty equally represented and all equally good at what they do. So don't give me this crap about anybody being superior, especially in music.

John

lonerj said:

LoL. Not all black men are endowed that's why.

It's always been a myth really. I've seen alot of black men naked and when I was young even I was shocked that they were my size or smaller. Have seen large ones but it is not common like the myth.

Don't you know that black people are getting smaller anyway? Black people consume alot of fast food, smoke, drugs, drink more than any other race. And yes, those things affect penis growth during puberty as well as in the future.

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From what I've seen Its more common for a Black man to have a huge penis than a white man, notice I said HUGE, not big but huge. Like Lex, __________, or __________.
Your dead wrong about black people, and how they eat, go to a black area dude in the summertime, barbecues baby! Trust me the black woman cooks a mean meal. Really more black people on drugs than white? Wrong again buddy, example go to southern Missouri, the METH captial of the world is just 100 miles away from my home, and guess what, its all white people cooking it, and doing it. Man I tell you what those suburban White dudes smoke hella weed, do X, trip acid, mushrooms, meth, crack, I've seen it all in the very upper-class areas. As far as alcohol goes, there are way more many white alcoholics than black, you bet your ass there is. White people are not as pure and clean as what they are portrayed to be. Media controlled brainwashing, government controlled brainwashing, its everywhere in the schools, on T.V, in magazines. Hang out with tree or four black dudes go places with them and you will see how you will get treated by other white people differently, to in a store security will be on your asses! Go to shopping with a black woman in a white area, look at the stares the white girls will give you. I'm saying a lot of white people need to check themselves for real. Its statements like you made in the second paragraph that I'm talking about. Black people drink more than any other race??? Come on get a grip, a slap of reality, turn on the local country misic station and count how many times you hear about the subject of drinking, or bars, anything related to drinking. Its like almost every other song. your comments show ignorance man, open them eyes and smell the aroma, it'll be good for you!

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Your dead wrong about black people, and how they eat, go to a black area dude in the summertime, barbecues baby! Trust me the black woman cooks a mean meal. Really more black people on drugs than white? Wrong again buddy, example go to southern Missouri, the METH captial of the world is just 100 miles away from my home, and guess what, its all white people cooking it, and doing it. Man I tell you what those suburban White dudes smoke hella weed, do X, trip acid, mushrooms, meth, crack, I've seen it all in the very upper-class areas. As far as alcohol goes, there are way more many white alcoholics than black, you bet your ass there is.

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YOU are dead wrong about THAT! Only because YOU see more white people who do drugs doesn´t mean that it is actually so!!! I don´t know who does more drugs or who drinks more, and well I also don´t give a shit about it! )

Hang out with tree or four black dudes go places with them and you will see how you will get treated by other white people differently, to in a store security will be on your asses! Go to shopping with a black woman in a white area, look at the stares the white girls will give you.

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Well, you are right on that one.... but go with 3 white buddies to an underground hiphop event and look what´s going on.. they will diss the "whities" because ONLY blacks "ARE" hiphop! Hey does someone know Eminem? ) But well, HE is respected! There is racism on both sides! And thats shit, but well I can´t do much about it.... But take this: I love y´all, even if you are a dumb nigger or a fucking whiteass! LOL!!! ) Don´t take that last sentence too serious... )

C YA!

crazyed27 said:

From what I've seen Its more common for a Black man to have a huge penis than a white man, notice I said HUGE, not big but huge. Like Lex, __________, or __________.
Your dead wrong about black people, and how they eat, go to a black area dude in the summertime, barbecues baby! Trust me the black woman cooks a mean meal. Really more black people on drugs than white? Wrong again buddy, example go to southern Missouri, the METH captial of the world is just 100 miles away from my home, and guess what, its all white people cooking it, and doing it. Man I tell you what those suburban White dudes smoke hella weed, do X, trip acid, mushrooms, meth, crack, I've seen it all in the very upper-class areas. As far as alcohol goes, there are way more many white alcoholics than black, you bet your ass there is. White people are not as pure and clean as what they are portrayed to be. Media controlled brainwashing, government controlled brainwashing, its everywhere in the schools, on T.V, in magazines. Hang out with tree or four black dudes go places with them and you will see how you will get treated by other white people differently, to in a store security will be on your asses! Go to shopping with a black woman in a white area, look at the stares the white girls will give you. I'm saying a lot of white people need to check themselves for real. Its statements like you made in the second paragraph that I'm talking about. Black people drink more than any other race??? Come on get a grip, a slap of reality, turn on the local country misic station and count how many times you hear about the subject of drinking, or bars, anything related to drinking. Its like almost every other song. your comments show ignorance man, open them eyes and smell the aroma, it'll be good for you!

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I guess that comment was more generalizing by black people I've come across. It was more from personal experience and I've hung out with black people, it's not like I'm in another world. That comment wasn't meant to be of ignorance, I like how you only quoted the first part of that comment, nice one...

9cyclops9 said:

And don't fool yourself into thinking that blacks are any "better" with music. Yeah, they've generally been better historically with rap, jazz, funk, gospel, soul, etc. White people have hitorically been better with classical, rock, techno, pop, and such. Does this mean that there aren't AMAZING white jazz players, gospel singers, and the like? No it doesn't. The same way that there are great rock, pop, and classical black musicians. Why? Because rap, jazz, funk, etc. have been a part of black culture more so than white culture. And rock, pop, classical and such have been more a part of white culture.



John

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Do you know who invented Rock n Roll? Who is the King of POP? Your a music student? What about blues, white people made black music popular, stole it , and now many of the younger kids think white people invented ROCK, and POP. Were not to far away from the time that black people got treated like shit, there are plenty of black people alive today that remember it. It still goes on to this day. Black aggression is a clear result of white oppression. Its a reaction of years and years of being opressed, passed on from generation to generation. Just like Racism is passed on from generation to generation in the white familiy. The word Ni--er is way different than the word white boy, or cracker. White people were not being wipped with a wip, being forced to work for nothing, while getting called a cracker, there are very deep scars in that word.

playa7 said:

YOU are dead wrong about THAT! Only because YOU see more white people who do drugs doesn´t mean that it is actually so!!! I don´t know who does more drugs or who drinks more, and well I also don´t give a shit about it! )C YA!



Well, you are right on that one.... but go with 3 white buddies to an underground hiphop event and look what´s going on.. they will diss the "whities" because ONLY blacks "ARE" hiphop! Hey does someone know Eminem? ) But well, HE is respected! There is racism on both sides! And thats shit, but well I can´t do much about it.... But take this: I love y´all, even if you are a dumb nigger or a fucking whiteass! LOL!!! ) Don´t take that last sentence too serious... )

C YA!

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Naw actually I live in a mostly black area, but I've lived in both worlds. 70some% of america is white 13% black so for obvious reasons there are more white alcoholics than black. I'm speaking for america.

I go to black club with my girlfriend and have never had a problem with this. Now if I steped up on the MIC I'd have to earn my respect it would not just be given to me at all. As a white man in a black man area you'll get tested to see what your about. You can bet your ass that if your cool, and not nervous, and just be yourself, you've got no problem. Except watch out for stick up kids!!! LOL

Let's also put something into perspective. There are two types of black people; Blacks and N--------. Yes. I am black so I understand. I need to say this. Just because you see someone black acting stupid does not mean we all act that way. You see that is the misconception. When a black man acts retarded then some white people think all black men are the same. We are not all the same. There are good and intelligent blacks trying to live right and do what is right.

I do not believe in generalizing. I believe in God. I believe he made everybody.

This is not to offend anyone just to explain that not all black men are the same.

crazyed27 said:

Naw actually I live in a mostly black area, but I've lived in both worlds. 70some% of america is white 13% black so for obvious reasons there are more white alcoholics than black. I'm speaking for america.

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Yeah that means we can´t judge.... It´s like: Yeah women do have far less accidents than man do.... well thats right, but there are FAR more man who drive! I think nobody believes that women are better drivers... LOL...

I go to black club with my girlfriend and have never had a problem with this. Now if I steped up on the MIC I'd have to earn my respect it would not just be given to me at all. As a white man in a black man area you'll get tested to see what your about. You can bet your ass that if your cool, and not nervous, and just be yourself, you've got no problem. Except watch out for stick up kids!!! LOL

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LOL!! Gimme a mic and not only the blacks will punch me in the face... ))

C YA!

channel7 said:

Let's also put something into perspective. There are two types of black people; Blacks and N--------. Yes. I am black so I understand.

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Yep! And there are the Whites, and the Nazis, and the Dumbasses and so on and so on....
I think racism has something to do with education.... in my school there is NO racism, well I think we have at least one student of every country.... oh well, I forgot, we HAD one racist (he had the wrong friends and thought it would be cool, oh btw, he´s pretty stupid and well his best friends are from Turkey and Poland (such a dumbass)) but well, he get rid of his behaviour (because everybody laughed at him)... but I´ve seen other schools (with much less educated people) and well, they were pretty racist.... I think it MUST have something to do with education (yeah and with your surroundings)

C YA!

playa7 said:

Yep! And there are the Whites, and the Nazis, and the Dumbasses and so on and so on....
I think racism has something to do with education.... in my school there is NO racism, well I think we have at least one student of every country.... oh well, I forgot, we HAD one racist (he had the wrong friends and thought it would be cool, oh btw, he´s pretty stupid and well his best friends are from Turkey and Poland (such a dumbass)) but well, he get rid of his behaviour (because everybody laughed at him)... but I´ve seen other schools (with much less educated people) and well, they were pretty racist.... I think it MUST have something to do with education (yeah and with your surroundings)

C YA!

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I think racism has to do with the influences you have in your life at an early age and also experiences you have, also personality plays a role, racists are usually really arrogant or just plain out insecure. IMO

I wasn't saying anything about who "invented" the styles of music. I'm talking about which race has been more active in developing the styles. And don't tell me black people invented pop music. The original American pop musician was George Gershwin. Rock music developed FROM the blues, which was invented by black slaves. But rock music has historically been dominated by whites. And pop music has historically been dominated by whites. Jazz has historically been dominated by blacks, and so has soul, blues, etc.

Don't act like I'm just some idiot kid who doesn't know what he's talking about. I know music history like the head of my penis.

And I don 't think you can say that anybody "stole" anyone else's genre of music. As if ONLY black people should have been allowed to play jazz.

I think black people should learn to forgive and forget. Did I ever own any slaves? Did my dad? No. Did his dad? Nope. So why should we have to keep apologizing for it? Sins of the father passed down to the son? I think not. I'm not responsible for what my ancestors might have done. If my great great grandfather owned slaves, it was very wrong of him. If my grandfather was racist (he was), it was very wrong of him. But I had nothing to do with it. Don't act like we owe you something.

BTW, I absolutely HATE the word "nigger." It really pisses me off when people say that. I guess it's ok when black people call each other that, if they aren't offended by it. But I can't stand to hear a white person say it. And yes, "cracker" doesn't have such deep roots, and I'm not really offended by it. But a racial slur is still a racial slur. There aren't any deep-rooted emotions attached to the word "spic" but I know a Hispanic guy who went ballistic when someone said that around him. So as far as I'm concerned, do unto other as you would have them do unto you. That would fix everything.

John

crazyed27 said:

I think racism has to do with the influences you have in your life at an early age and also experiences you have

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Yep! That was what I meant with surroundings... your family, your school, your friends, and maybe a bad past....

also personality plays a role, racists are usually really arrogant or just plain out insecure.

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Word!

C YA!

9cyclops9 said:

I think black people should learn to forgive and forget. Did I ever own any slaves? Did my dad? No. Did his dad? Nope. So why should we have to keep apologizing for it? Sins of the father passed down to the son? I think not. I'm not responsible for what my ancestors might have done. If my great great grandfather owned slaves, it was very wrong of him. If my grandfather was racist (he was), it was very wrong of him. But I had nothing to do with it. Don't act like we owe you something.

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You are SO right on that one!!!

C YA!

And I don 't think you can say that anybody "stole" anyone else's genre of music. As if ONLY black people should have been allowed to play jazz.


I mean that white corprate america took black music made it popular, and promoted almost exclusively white musicans! They tried the same shit with RAP, Vanilla Ice was the test subject, it did'nt work to well!