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"I couldn't be more happy that MTV and the internet are helping to flush out the draconian puritanical moralizing and repression that we've been stuck with since the first settlers touched down."
In one light, you're right....but let's not give credit to MTV please. They are one of the biggest peddlers of mediocrity in America, and the in the world today.
Having "draconian puritanical moralizing" first, then it becoming more relaxed is much different than never having had those hang-ups to begin with.
Since it's all "loosening up" now, it's not becoming how it should be...it's more of a perversion of how it should be. It's having freedom without any knowledge of self to begin with. Kids are freer to express sexuality, but they have no knowledge of self or maturity to even handle it correctly, or to even know what they're talking about, or what they're doing.
Ignorance is IN. It's not hip to be smart anymore. It's "cool" to be "street" or "urban"...which just means fucking ghetto and not too bright. Intelligence is seen as weakness. You gotta be a knucklehead these days to fit. It's like people watched "Fight Club", but took it literally instead of thinking about it, and just begun smashing each other in the face without really knowing why.
People hold the info found on the web in higher regard than the info and facts found in books. Like, the internet is full of more lies than TV, but at least there is hope on the web.... it is the last outlet of free speech left in the world. But shit you read and find on the web is even easier to alter and make untrue.
I'm sure every generation thought that theirs was gonna be the last and that the world is going to hell and all that... but there wasn't as much technology then. Nowadays, I think it's worse...or maybe it just seems worse because I'm living in this time frame. But I've seen kids today...they are dumber than I was when I was their age. I didn't have so much bullshit when I was a kid. I didn't have a fucking cellphone, or a computer, there was no internet etc... I wasn't jaded by ���� at 12 like these kids are nowadays. Shit, if I had the kind of exposure to ���� when I was kid like these kids have today...I'd be SO jaded now. More than I already am.
Like, I think society is running out of directions to go to. There's nothing new left anymore. No one has a new idea anymore...and kids are being brought up without ANY imagination at ALL.
See where it's headed? It's not going to be a free, shameless utopia...it'll be a perversion of what we think is freedom, but it'll just be another form of SLAVERY.
In one light, you're right....but let's not give credit to MTV please. They are one of the biggest peddlers of mediocrity in America, and the in the world today.
Having "draconian puritanical moralizing" first, then it becoming more relaxed is much different than never having had those hang-ups to begin with.
Since it's all "loosening up" now, it's not becoming how it should be...it's more of a perversion of how it should be. It's having freedom without any knowledge of self to begin with. Kids are freer to express sexuality, but they have no knowledge of self or maturity to even handle it correctly, or to even know what they're talking about, or what they're doing.
Ignorance is IN. It's not hip to be smart anymore. It's "cool" to be "street" or "urban"...which just means fucking ghetto and not too bright. Intelligence is seen as weakness. You gotta be a knucklehead these days to fit. It's like people watched "Fight Club", but took it literally instead of thinking about it, and just begun smashing each other in the face without really knowing why.
People hold the info found on the web in higher regard than the info and facts found in books. Like, the internet is full of more lies than TV, but at least there is hope on the web.... it is the last outlet of free speech left in the world. But shit you read and find on the web is even easier to alter and make untrue.
I'm sure every generation thought that theirs was gonna be the last and that the world is going to hell and all that... but there wasn't as much technology then. Nowadays, I think it's worse...or maybe it just seems worse because I'm living in this time frame. But I've seen kids today...they are dumber than I was when I was their age. I didn't have so much bullshit when I was a kid. I didn't have a fucking cellphone, or a computer, there was no internet etc... I wasn't jaded by ���� at 12 like these kids are nowadays. Shit, if I had the kind of exposure to ���� when I was kid like these kids have today...I'd be SO jaded now. More than I already am.
Like, I think society is running out of directions to go to. There's nothing new left anymore. No one has a new idea anymore...and kids are being brought up without ANY imagination at ALL.
See where it's headed? It's not going to be a free, shameless utopia...it'll be a perversion of what we think is freedom, but it'll just be another form of SLAVERY.
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Probably the best post I have ever read.
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I know what you are saying, but there is a difference between the relaxation of puritanical pressures and the complete absence of values (which is what I see happening).As a principled libertarian, I have a lot of intellectual struggles. Because while I pretty much believe that people should be free to live as they choose as long as they dont infringe on the rights of others, that shouldn't be construed as a pass for moral relavitism and complete absence of any values. Rather than seeing people embrace freedom and living in compliance with self determined values, I see most living on whims and embracing the dual philosophies of nihlism and hedonism.
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Right. Even as an atheist I have no problem with a Church convincing someone of their morality via persuasion. I have a big problem with the Church coming at you "with the Bible in one hand and the sword in the other."
Sameways with the new political correctness. Many liberals wish to enforce their view of proper behavior (hate speech limitations, salary caps, etc) with the guns of the state.
As a Libertarian I support freedom, realize it is always going to be messy, but hope that the inherent rationality of most people will prevent a chaotic society.
The fact that our species has survived a few hundred thousands of years of existance and is not only still surviving, but surviving in pretty high style hints to me that the natural tendency of man is toward the rational, and that periods of self-destructive irrationality are the exception rather than the rule.
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well fair enough, but let me ask you all this then: what is the big difference from say my generation, and previous? how is the next batch and current culture more decadent than the last few? (if i misspelled decadent, then please take the high road . . . )
i see your points about morality being important, and i couldn't agree more. i'm not for a morally ambiguous and ancarchist society or anything. however, i still fail to see how american society is somehow degraded from previous generations.
also, i always try to keep in mind that morals, scruples, ect. are all realative. i dunno, somebody made the point that each generation makes this comment, and well yeah, i couldn't agree more with that. each always finds fault with the next. however, if you were to talk to a lot of people my age, theres a huge amount of bitterness towards baby boomers and the generation of yesteryear. i know i am competing with one of the msot highly competative and overqualified college admissions fields in history, and the overall amount of higher education being dispensed in america has risen and is still rising dramatically. a BA/BS in a standard field of study is hardly worth anything in the professional job hunt these days because it is simply too common.
i guess i'm really just curious what you fellows see as so wrong or frightening about the state of affairs and the potential of the country. how much do you really interact with the section of society that is causing your fears, do you think maybe it's a knee jerk conclusion to experiences and perceptions that are norms throughout every generation? are you basing those feelings off the image of popular culture you see in the media? i would just like to hear exactly why the world is so screwed, because i don't see it that way at all. i've got nothing but optimism.
the only societal standards i've seen relaxed are things like the sodomy laws, or as godsize mentioned a proliferation of �����������. while i don't think the standardization of smut is a landmark cultural achievement, i don't see it as threatening our way of life or a corruptor of youth. if anything it answers questions and keeps kids yanking off rather than fucking and making more teenage mothers. japan has a much greater volume of ����������� consumption and their country endures a tiny fraction of the sex crimes per capita that the US does. sorry, somebody is going to have to write something pretty convincing to make me see some kind of downward slide, i am trying to consider it right now, and i don't see how a person could really conclusively feel that way unless they just consciousley wanted to.
i see the attitude so often displayed by nearly everybody that 99% of all people are idiots, and that they and a select few really know what's going on. now, i would say about 99% of people tend to feel this way as well. and now for a badly overworked old anecdote: socrates was the wisest man in athens because he knew that he was not . . .
i'm as arrogant as the next guy on the street, but i don't presume to know what a proper or moral world looks like, i just know how i would prefer it to be. if anybody actually has it all figured out please IM me immediately so we can discuss this breakthrough.
also, i think it was bigbutnottoobig that spoke about this . . . on what do you base your claims of an overriding nihilist/hedonist streak? and don't say "look around" because i don't see that when i look around . . . tell me what you think.
i see your points about morality being important, and i couldn't agree more. i'm not for a morally ambiguous and ancarchist society or anything. however, i still fail to see how american society is somehow degraded from previous generations.
also, i always try to keep in mind that morals, scruples, ect. are all realative. i dunno, somebody made the point that each generation makes this comment, and well yeah, i couldn't agree more with that. each always finds fault with the next. however, if you were to talk to a lot of people my age, theres a huge amount of bitterness towards baby boomers and the generation of yesteryear. i know i am competing with one of the msot highly competative and overqualified college admissions fields in history, and the overall amount of higher education being dispensed in america has risen and is still rising dramatically. a BA/BS in a standard field of study is hardly worth anything in the professional job hunt these days because it is simply too common.
i guess i'm really just curious what you fellows see as so wrong or frightening about the state of affairs and the potential of the country. how much do you really interact with the section of society that is causing your fears, do you think maybe it's a knee jerk conclusion to experiences and perceptions that are norms throughout every generation? are you basing those feelings off the image of popular culture you see in the media? i would just like to hear exactly why the world is so screwed, because i don't see it that way at all. i've got nothing but optimism.
the only societal standards i've seen relaxed are things like the sodomy laws, or as godsize mentioned a proliferation of �����������. while i don't think the standardization of smut is a landmark cultural achievement, i don't see it as threatening our way of life or a corruptor of youth. if anything it answers questions and keeps kids yanking off rather than fucking and making more teenage mothers. japan has a much greater volume of ����������� consumption and their country endures a tiny fraction of the sex crimes per capita that the US does. sorry, somebody is going to have to write something pretty convincing to make me see some kind of downward slide, i am trying to consider it right now, and i don't see how a person could really conclusively feel that way unless they just consciousley wanted to.
i see the attitude so often displayed by nearly everybody that 99% of all people are idiots, and that they and a select few really know what's going on. now, i would say about 99% of people tend to feel this way as well. and now for a badly overworked old anecdote: socrates was the wisest man in athens because he knew that he was not . . .
i'm as arrogant as the next guy on the street, but i don't presume to know what a proper or moral world looks like, i just know how i would prefer it to be. if anybody actually has it all figured out please IM me immediately so we can discuss this breakthrough.
also, i think it was bigbutnottoobig that spoke about this . . . on what do you base your claims of an overriding nihilist/hedonist streak? and don't say "look around" because i don't see that when i look around . . . tell me what you think.
goodbutnotgreat -
Where do you live, man? I sometimes think that it's because I live in New York that makes me think the world is ending sooner than it really is.
I live down the block from a grammar school, and every day around three pm they let these animals out and maaan... these kids are FUCKED up. If that's our future shuffling past my house, then we are fucked.
I'm sure that every person thinks he's smarter than "the rest", but sadly, there are no "I.Q. Guided" missles. When/if the bombs drop...we all get killed along with all the idiot dipshits of the world.
I think I watch too much TV, then draw my assumptions from the kind of stuff that people like to entertain themselves with these days. I feel as if America has no real culture...only commercialism. And most people accept that...even expect that. They want it and like it and allow themselves to get caught up in all the bullshit smokescreen issues like what so and so is wearing to which award show, etc...
How the hell did this thread get so bent out of shape from it's original topic? Damn! What the fuck am I talking about?
Where do you live, man? I sometimes think that it's because I live in New York that makes me think the world is ending sooner than it really is.
I live down the block from a grammar school, and every day around three pm they let these animals out and maaan... these kids are FUCKED up. If that's our future shuffling past my house, then we are fucked.
I'm sure that every person thinks he's smarter than "the rest", but sadly, there are no "I.Q. Guided" missles. When/if the bombs drop...we all get killed along with all the idiot dipshits of the world.
I think I watch too much TV, then draw my assumptions from the kind of stuff that people like to entertain themselves with these days. I feel as if America has no real culture...only commercialism. And most people accept that...even expect that. They want it and like it and allow themselves to get caught up in all the bullshit smokescreen issues like what so and so is wearing to which award show, etc...
How the hell did this thread get so bent out of shape from it's original topic? Damn! What the fuck am I talking about?
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ha, i agree, there are a few restless minds on this board, it's kinda cool though.
i live in everytown USA in the midst of beautiful rural virginia, but i was born in conneticut, grew up in LA, and lived in Rochester and Ithaca NY for three years as well. my parents do research or consult for companies so we move a lot as their projects change.
i understand what you are saying about how the world you see everyday shapes your perceptions in general, and that's pretty much what i was trying to get across. we all have limited perspective, information, ect. nobody has the full picture, nobody has it all figured out, we just know what we think is best.
i do think there is an american culture though, it's just hard to see the forest for the trees. our culture is so widely exported, adopted, and vast it's hard to recognize. but americana is a real thing, it's just giant and difficult to grasp. but trust me, when a couple of frogs stumble into a mcdonalds in paris, they're participating in our culture. now whether or not mcdonalds is something we want to be proud of having as an american standard i'm not gonna get into . . . but i think we definately have a tangible culture.
we're kind of discussing hip-hop in another thread, there's something uniquely american. i tend to look at america as a culture that is born out of all the diverse influences that existed when the country was a real powder keg of social tension. that energy has been replaced by an emphasis on mass consumer consumption and media/information fetishization.
i live in everytown USA in the midst of beautiful rural virginia, but i was born in conneticut, grew up in LA, and lived in Rochester and Ithaca NY for three years as well. my parents do research or consult for companies so we move a lot as their projects change.
i understand what you are saying about how the world you see everyday shapes your perceptions in general, and that's pretty much what i was trying to get across. we all have limited perspective, information, ect. nobody has the full picture, nobody has it all figured out, we just know what we think is best.
i do think there is an american culture though, it's just hard to see the forest for the trees. our culture is so widely exported, adopted, and vast it's hard to recognize. but americana is a real thing, it's just giant and difficult to grasp. but trust me, when a couple of frogs stumble into a mcdonalds in paris, they're participating in our culture. now whether or not mcdonalds is something we want to be proud of having as an american standard i'm not gonna get into . . . but i think we definately have a tangible culture.
we're kind of discussing hip-hop in another thread, there's something uniquely american. i tend to look at america as a culture that is born out of all the diverse influences that existed when the country was a real powder keg of social tension. that energy has been replaced by an emphasis on mass consumer consumption and media/information fetishization.
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Funny how I was simply telling a little story and it turns out into this debate about America's morals !
I agree with almost everything Godsize says (in most posts), and well you all have valid points.
MTV yes... it's sad... millions of teens across America being brainwashed with decadent imagery. But the fact is, is that 75% of people out there are mindless robots that are living their life on automatic pilot instead of taking control of themselves, and lifting themselves out of their moronic mindstates. I doubt that this will ever change.
I for one, support any scientific or evolutionary advancement that will clean our gene pool of all the useless trash... but if we do that, who will work the menial jobs (McD's, school cafeteria worker, etc) ?
I am a fairly moral person... and I have fell for the "urban" image that Godsize speaks of... but you know, it's only to fit in. What else is there, should I be a punk or goth... hell no! Unlike others, however, I am conscious of the way I act and dress and I know it's just a facade, I am more like a chameleon, it's just an act, to fit into my surroundings. Even though I am much more intelligent than my peers, I hide that in order not to make them feel lower or to discriminate against me cuz I'm trying to "act better than them".
I can't stand those arrogant coffee shop assholes who just leer at people and jeer at them, like they are so much more enlightened or informed than everyone else because they are jacked up on caffeine!
I agree with almost everything Godsize says (in most posts), and well you all have valid points.
MTV yes... it's sad... millions of teens across America being brainwashed with decadent imagery. But the fact is, is that 75% of people out there are mindless robots that are living their life on automatic pilot instead of taking control of themselves, and lifting themselves out of their moronic mindstates. I doubt that this will ever change.
I for one, support any scientific or evolutionary advancement that will clean our gene pool of all the useless trash... but if we do that, who will work the menial jobs (McD's, school cafeteria worker, etc) ?
I am a fairly moral person... and I have fell for the "urban" image that Godsize speaks of... but you know, it's only to fit in. What else is there, should I be a punk or goth... hell no! Unlike others, however, I am conscious of the way I act and dress and I know it's just a facade, I am more like a chameleon, it's just an act, to fit into my surroundings. Even though I am much more intelligent than my peers, I hide that in order not to make them feel lower or to discriminate against me cuz I'm trying to "act better than them".
I can't stand those arrogant coffee shop assholes who just leer at people and jeer at them, like they are so much more enlightened or informed than everyone else because they are jacked up on caffeine!
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i guess all i was trying to say, in my typically oververbose and confusing way is that i don't see any tangible evidence kids and popculture are makedly and dumber or worse off than any other time.
different sure, and i think different gets interperated as bad by each and every generation . . . pop culture is always going to be low-brow, the rising generation is always going to piss off everybody else. if you read shakespere or chaucer (canterberry tales) theiy're loaded with fart jokes and vulgar sex referances. willie s. was the quentin tarentino of his day. they were wonderfully written fart-jokes and sex puns, but i mean, nothing we see in society is new, the media is just more entrenched in molding public perceptions.
youth moves onto maturity, things change, values evolve, i just don't see society as being any more vapid or worse than any other time. shit at least, we're not having witch hunts or segregating race and shit. what do you guys point to as a better time in american history, or world history for that matter?
also, i think american culture is dominant. go around the world, you find american influence in every country. they watch hollywood movies everywhere else, our stars are the world's stars. we're the cultural frontrunners in just about all repsects if you ask me. we're suppsoed to be a melting pot anyway, we may have diverse influences, but do you guys expect culture to be 100% original anywhere? culture doesn't jsut materialize out of the ether, it has to come from somewhere . . .
different sure, and i think different gets interperated as bad by each and every generation . . . pop culture is always going to be low-brow, the rising generation is always going to piss off everybody else. if you read shakespere or chaucer (canterberry tales) theiy're loaded with fart jokes and vulgar sex referances. willie s. was the quentin tarentino of his day. they were wonderfully written fart-jokes and sex puns, but i mean, nothing we see in society is new, the media is just more entrenched in molding public perceptions.
youth moves onto maturity, things change, values evolve, i just don't see society as being any more vapid or worse than any other time. shit at least, we're not having witch hunts or segregating race and shit. what do you guys point to as a better time in american history, or world history for that matter?
also, i think american culture is dominant. go around the world, you find american influence in every country. they watch hollywood movies everywhere else, our stars are the world's stars. we're the cultural frontrunners in just about all repsects if you ask me. we're suppsoed to be a melting pot anyway, we may have diverse influences, but do you guys expect culture to be 100% original anywhere? culture doesn't jsut materialize out of the ether, it has to come from somewhere . . .
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Here's an idea. The next time a chick wants to talk about your penis size, insist that she do it with it in her mouth. Then it'll feel good and you really won't be able to understand what she says anyhow.
Now THAT'S a great way to measure!
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Without getting into a debate about the "absolutes" of morality (which I do believe in), I agree that our society is devolving. Wealth, prosperity & comfort necessarily bring decay. Like ancient Rome, and numerous other "advanced" cultures, we too are collapsing. By the way, my 16-year-old son spoke of a 13-year-old girl who had a 9-man train pulled on her. He said his best friend told him she did it up on her mother's bed (during a party when her parents were away). His buddy told him there was a huge puddle/stain under her ass from all the drainage.
Ah, how charming is the Youth today.
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hey waxn - i would doubt she is the first young girl in history to ever be taken advantage of by a group of men, far from it really. this is what i was referring to when i mentioned people making judgements about the world at large based on what they directly here about or see. a few isolated events do not speak for civilization . . .
also, i knew somebody would bring up the decadence of rome eventually, and ii find that to be a faulty comparison. we are not rome, far from it. and if you look at roman culture, even at it's peak, they were an incredibly brutal society. slavery, murder, the public ritualistic slaugher of people and animals for entertainment. the US is not rome, that is jsut cliche to me, no offense please.
so far as material comfort causing moral decay, that is an interesting statement. but then is it immoral for society to try and make the lives or people better and more comfortable? hasn't the whole of human progress been spent attempting to make life more liveable? i can also think of plenty of examples of times and places, current and archane, where people lived with little or no comfort or convenience and were not what i believe most on this ofrum would indentify as particularly moral.
somebody . . . anybody . . . explain to me why we are so bad off now, and then what was a better time for us? everybody seems to disagree with me, nobody is saying anything to support their views . . .
also, i knew somebody would bring up the decadence of rome eventually, and ii find that to be a faulty comparison. we are not rome, far from it. and if you look at roman culture, even at it's peak, they were an incredibly brutal society. slavery, murder, the public ritualistic slaugher of people and animals for entertainment. the US is not rome, that is jsut cliche to me, no offense please.
so far as material comfort causing moral decay, that is an interesting statement. but then is it immoral for society to try and make the lives or people better and more comfortable? hasn't the whole of human progress been spent attempting to make life more liveable? i can also think of plenty of examples of times and places, current and archane, where people lived with little or no comfort or convenience and were not what i believe most on this ofrum would indentify as particularly moral.
somebody . . . anybody . . . explain to me why we are so bad off now, and then what was a better time for us? everybody seems to disagree with me, nobody is saying anything to support their views . . .
