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*i dont know if its allowed talking about steroids here..if not,feel free to delete this threat*
after years on gym and penis enlargment i was thinking taking some roids for better and bigger results.i was thinking about dbol and testo for my gym
and in another cycle try hgh or igf1 for my cock(if anyone have personal experience of dosage aand how to use it please share your experience)
i know some of you will suggest not to take steroids...i am not creating that threat to hear that.i am here to discuss.even if you want to say no to steroids discuss about it.
 
I have been bodybuilding for about nine years. Anyone who has been bodybuilding for any length of time has thought about using steroids. I can't say that if they were legal I wouldn't actually use them but by the fact that they are illegal in the US keeps steroids as just a thought (also the fact they are illegal means the quality of roids are subpar compared to place where they are legal). I do believe there is a safe way to use steroids. Rich Piana on YouTube gives a couple suggestions like the idea that less is better, make sure to cycle your roids and lastly your health is more important than the way you look. No, I don't know dosages but I would agree with Rich, if you decide to go down that path you are likely to do it long term so don't mess up body. Lastly make sure it is actually what you want to do because there is risk involved. Risks like imprisonment, effect on the family (tren isn't family friendly), there can be depression when you cycle off, there are some health concerns and lastly there are concerns when it comes to PE in particular erection issues.

As far as HGH and PE you can check out supra's log here: http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?5068-Supra-s-Growth-Hormone-Trials

And also refer to the alternative and experimental category of MOS for your chemical PE interests. :)
 
superman05xx thanks for the response.yeah i watch piana for long time.i am still searching about everything.i am not in rush buy now.cause i wanna be sure to do it safe as possible with good results.
 
It would be awesome someday to have a steroid that would guaranty growth in the penis, it would change the game completely.
 
doublelongdaddy;596121 said:
It would be awesome someday to have a steroid that would guaranty growth in the penis, it would change the game completely.

That would be like 70s and 80s bodybuilding compared to now .... Classic physiques versus freak show :).
 
superman05xx;596127 said:
That would be like 70s and 80s bodybuilding compared to now .... Classic physiques versus freak show :).

Yeah, and it would kill the natural PE game completely...MOS would become obsolete.
 
Wazedi, I have ran two cycles before and am about to start on my third in a couple of weeks.

1st cycle: Test E @ 500/week
2nd cycle: Test E @ 500/week & 40mg Dbol/week
3rd cycle: Test E @ 600/week (Not doing dbol just for a cheaper cycle).

Advice off the top of my head:

-Not sure what kind of test injections you would be doing, but if it's test e, then you want to be around 500/week (particularly with your first cycle), and 2 injections/week (evenly spaced apart).

-Standard for Test E is 10 weeks of pinning, then it will be in your body for an additional 2 weeks, making for a 12 week cycle.

-Test E takes about a month to really start kicking in. May start to see some strength increases after 2 weeks.

-23g is standard needle to inject with. You can also buy a larger gauge to pull the test out of the bottle, and then put on the 23g (good test has decent viscosity). This also helps to prevent any kind of dulling of the needle. Needles are cheap and discreet online. Terumo is a quality brand that is also pretty inexpensive.

-DISINFECT EVERYTHING. I wipe down the bottle, both needles, and the injection sight. I also wash my hands prior.

-Dbol is a great choice to put in with test e. Like I said, test e takes a while to kick in, so running 4 weeks of dbol will get you some insane strength gains prior to your test e kicking in. I actually got more strength gains using dbol than I did with the test.

-Keep your sodium down and your water intake high while on DBol, because water retention is high while you're on it.

-Don't smoke weed or get drunk during cycle. Weed will give you gyno, and drinking will destroy your liver quick while on roids.

-If you have ever had an issue with joint health, it's a very good idea to take a joint supplement while on a cycle. Your musles will be broken down and recovered in no time while your joints will be left simply broken down over and over again without repair. Animal Flex is a great choice IMO for a joint supplement to help prevent your joints from going to shit. Check out reviews on bodybuilding.com. Also, turmeric and fish oil are great anti-inflammatory supps. I take fish oil every day and add in turmeric spice to any appropriate dish.

Injecting- Hot shower & massage/using a heating pad before injection can help relax the muscle. Try to have at least four injection spots that you rotate (may want to keep a log so you don't forget what to pin next) to prevent the build-up of scar tissue. I use delts & upper quads, and you can find precise injection spots online. Some people pin fast and some people pin slow. Initial logic will tell you to do it fast, as that's how you've always gotten shots from the doc. That's how I did it the first time, but I read that you can hit nerves that way which is very painful. Also, slamming sharp objects into my body is something I have a hard time doing. I started going slow about halfway through my last cycle, and I prefer it. If I come near a painful spot, I can maneuver around it, so I never have to worry about hitting a nerve. And there's not much pain with a 23g, even the initial skin break isn't too bad. Injecting the test slowly into your body and then rubbing the spot/around the spot with the palm of your hand can help disperse from the injection spot quicker and therefore help reduce/shorten pain after injection .

PCT- My first 2 cycles, I just did clomid for four weeks. This actually didn't work too bad for me, but some people say they lost a ton using just clomid. HCG, Nolva, and Clomid all together are pretty much the standard and safest way to go. There's all kinds of opinions on time/dosage.. you'll have to do your research here.

Steroids and PE- I don't think any steroid will directly affect PE gains much, but can indirectly help or hurt. Some kill sex drive, some will make you the horniest you have ever been in your life. Test E is the ladder. Therefore, I think it will help your PE girth gains. Having great EQ will give you much better girth sessions. When I did DLD's initial SRT routine, I gained .5" in girth in 3 months, and I was on Test E. I put in a ton of work with the BM and SSJ's, and that's what gave me the gains. But Test E made those routines much more productive.

My take on HGH and IGF1: HGH is great, but expensive. Unless you have a bunch of cash you don't know what to do with, or you can get prescribed and have insurance pay for it, I would stick with Test. I get quality test and it ends up being about $60/month. As for IGF1 for PE, If you love needles around and in your dick, then have at it. From reading people's logs that do it, there seems to be a large workload without much results. I feel like I can honestly gain just as much by not sticking needles in my dick, and with less time spent.

Health & Steroids: If you're dosing correctly, cycling correctly, and disinfecting correctly, there's really not a whole lot to worry about as far as short term health with your standard test cycle. They say high test levels increases your risk for cancer, so that's something to consider. But nowadays, it seems like everything causes cancer. I think that if you do them for 15+ years, then you could definitely have some long term side effects. Personally, I live my life by the phrase "Everything in Moderation". If you start up a 3 month test cycle once every 7-8 months or so for 5-8 years and you're smart about it, you minimize your risks, and you maximize the benefits during the years of your life that you want to look the best/be the strongest you can.

Best of luck to you deciding what is best for you. A couple other tid-bits of advice are: A lot of people think steroids are terrible because of the media and the idiots that use this stuff that have no clue what they are doing. Therefore, I wouldn't go around telling everyone. personally, I have never told a single person that I have used them. Only my dealer knows. That leads to my second tid-bit: I'm not sure where you live, but here in the US, steroids are a pretty big felony. You have to be extremely careful about who you're buying from. The best option is a friend you know that would never snitch if caught, and isn't going to sell you any bunk steroids. Think on your feet when going about the process of obtaining it and never go through with anything that doesn't seem right or is sketchy to you.
 
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AndroidR that was an amazing answer.i want to do it safe too,i live in europe(greece).there is no big problem about taking steroids here.i mean its not that big thing.but i still have to keep it for my own.i have a good friend of mine which he also give good advices and take care about his clients but i still like taking many advices and hearing opinions.
actually i have never heard about weed and roids can cause gyno.i dont smoke that much,like a couple times per month so i can deal with that.thanks for everything
 
Very knowledgeable on the topic Android, thanks for your in depth response!
 
Steroids won't make your dick bigger that's for sure. Possibly some peptides like hgh and igf des. I also think tb 500 can help a lot especially if you hang. But test and dbol no way
 
Jdcsd;597238 said:
Steroids won't make your dick bigger that's for sure. Possibly some peptides like hgh and igf des. I also think tb 500 can help a lot especially if you hang. But test and dbol no way

Well perhaps not directly but if you are on roids and your erections are coming much harder.... That can translate into better PE workouts which in turn mean gains.
 
If your goal is harder erections you'd be better off taking a low dose of cialis every other day. If you cycle off the steroids your boner will suffer with a drop in test levels. Even if you do a proper pct it's gonna have negative effect on eq as your natty test will be in limbo for a while then go back to your pre cycle levels if your lucky
 
Jdcsd;598119 said:
If your goal is harder erections you'd be better off taking a low dose of cialis every other day. If you cycle off the steroids your boner will suffer with a drop in test levels. Even if you do a proper pct it's gonna have negative effect on eq as your natty test will be in limbo for a while then go back to your pre cycle levels if your lucky

How long will this effect last with the low eq due to steroid stopping?
 
Depends on how low your natural test gets. For a lot of people it can be permanent because their natural test level becomes lower than it was before the cycle. A lot depends on this including what steroids were used, age of user, natural t level pre cycle and how well planned out their post cycle therapy was. My levels were permanently lowered from high usage at a young age. Of course when you have the natural test of a 90 year old like I did then you also have the eq of a 90 year old
 
Jdcsd;598225 said:
Depends on how low your natural test gets. For a lot of people it can be permanent because their natural test level becomes lower than it was before the cycle. A lot depends on this including what steroids were used, age of user, natural t level pre cycle and how well planned out their post cycle therapy was. My levels were permanently lowered from high usage at a young age. Of course when you have the natural test of a 90 year old like I did then you also have the eq of a 90 year old

yeah if you dont do a good pct you wil get fucked up.i want to mention again that steroids is still a thinking for me.the more i am thinking it i am getting more and more of not getting it
 
wazedi;598514 said:
yeah if you dont do a good pct you wil get fucked up.i want to mention again that steroids is still a thinking for me.the more i am thinking it i am getting more and more of not getting it
Yah best not to do it especially if your young. If your older you can go to the doc and have your levels checked and see if you may possibly need trt to function better
 
Jdcsd;598225 said:
For a lot of people it can be permanent because their natural test level becomes lower than it was before the cycle

That is scary but I guess some men just want to make changes happen as fast as possible and are willing to risk this.
 
doublelongdaddy;598775 said:
Jdcsd;598225 said:
For a lot of people it can be permanent because their natural test level becomes lower than it was before the cycle

That is scary but I guess some men just want to make changes happen as fast as possible and are willing to risk this.
Yah a lot of people just don't know what they are getting into when they do it. A lot of times young guys just want to be bigger and mindlessly inject things without the proper knowledge. The important thing is to do blood work before you start, while your on and after your off. Then you can see how it affects you. It's cheap and easy to order your own blood work online now for anything you could think of. I use labsmd.com. Good idea for any guy over 40 to have their hormone panel checked. If you have a legitimate medical need for hormone replacement therapy it can make a huge difference in the way you feel, look and perform
 
wazedi;595605 said:
*i dont know if its allowed talking about steroids here..if not,feel free to delete this threat*
after years on gym and penis enlargment i was thinking taking some roids for better and bigger results.i was thinking about dbol and testo for my gym
and in another cycle try hgh or igf1 for my cock(if anyone have personal experience of dosage aand how to use it please share your experience)
i know some of you will suggest not to take steroids...i am not creating that threat to hear that.i am here to discuss.even if you want to say no to steroids discuss about it.
testosterone will make your erections harder but not necessarily grow any larger, and hgh could increase your gains with PE but it is very expensive...
and lastly remember not to inject anything into your penis, those compounds will be systemic once you inject and doing penile injections is dangerous

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Jdcsd;598724 said:
Yah best not to do it especially if your young. If your older you can go to the doc and have your levels checked and see if you may possibly need trt to function better

sometimes less is more with drugs, people dont like to think about that
 
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