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The synopsis wasn't very through. To what pressure was this guy pumping ? How long was he pumping , per session. What, precisely, about the pumping process caused the damage, and does a similar effect occur when clamping?
 
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It is well known that overpumping WILL cause impotence, this is why most advocate the use of low pressures when pumping and most important is to use a pump with a guage. I find the conclusion to be unfounded...

CONCLUSIONS: Vacuum erection devices create pulling forces on the penis. We estimate that the pulling forces in this case were prohibitively high (approximately 29 pounds) due to absence of a pressure-release valve and to the preexistent erection at vacuum application. These intense pulling forces are hypothesized to have damaged the tunica in the mid shaft (Peyronie's disease) and the crus (veno-occlusive dysfunction), the latter being the site of attachment of the corpora to the ischiopubic ramus and a most likely location for high magnitude pulling forces to exert an abnormal injury effect
If this was true, then stretching and hanging would cause the same thing... There are too many people doing Penis Enlargement (and hanging ) for this to be true. This just shows how little doctors really know about the penis and Penis Enlargement.
 
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wants9 said:
The synopsis wasn't very through. To what pressure was this guy pumping? How long was he pumping, per session. What, precisely, about the pumping process caused the damage, and does a similar effect occur when clamping?
your questions about pressure and what about the pumping process caused the damage were both answered in the conclusion. and the clamping question has absolutely nothing to do with this study.
 
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Yea, 99% of doctors would freak if I emailed them a pic of me with 30lbs on my penis.
 
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It is well known that overpumping WILL cause impotence, this is why most advocate the use of low pressures when pumping and most important is to use a pump with a guage. I find the conclusion to be unfounded...



If this was true, then stretching and hanging would cause the same thing... There are too many people doing Penis Enlargement (and hanging) for this to be true. This just shows how little doctors really know about the penis and Penis Enlargement.

then what is a good cutoff for pressure when pumping ?
 
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your questions about pressure and what about the pumping process caused the damage were both answered in the conclusion. and the clamping question has absolutely nothing to do with this study.
Actually it never mentions pressures... vaccum pressure is measured in inches of water or inches of mercury, not in pounds. What they were talking about in the conclusion is the damage caused by the pulling forces caused by pumping . To get 29 pounds of pulling force, these bozos must have pumped at some extremely high vaccum pressures. I hang with 20 lbs and there's absolutely NO WAY that pumping at safe pressures (~5-10 in hg) can create that kind of pulling force.
 
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then what is a good cutoff for pressure when pumping?
I would venture to say 10 in.hg. MAX! Prolly safer to stay in the 5-8 in.hg. range.
 

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Yea, 99% of doctors would freak if I emailed them a pic of me with 30lbs on my penis.
Hmm, that brings up an interesting question: How many Penis Enlargement'ers have told their doctors about it?

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your questions about pressure and what about the pumping process caused the damage were both answered in the conclusion. and the clamping question has absolutely nothing to do with this study.
I did miss the line about the 29lbs of pressure, but the "how" info was scant. They hypothicize that the vacuum damaged the tunicae, but they don't say (in the synopsis) how that process develops. As for the clamping, I know it wasn't part of the study, I'm just wondering how WE can apply the study to clamping.
 
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I'm going to wager to say that clamping is not capable of affecting the penis in the same manner as pumping ... With pumping you're introducing air into the penis as well as the blood that is already in there, which can be a dangerous combination if not carefully monitored., as with blowing up a balloon it is possible to blow the penis up to the point that it essentially "pops" and becomes useless. With clamping, all you're doing is allowing more blood to enter the penis...it's impossible to force enough blood into the penis through kegeling to cause this same "pop."

The real danger with clamping comes in leving the clamp on too long, thereby not allowing oxygenated blood to reach the cells of the penile chambers. This can cause anything from lack of sensation, to impotence...
 
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Besides, anyone crazy enough to pump 29 lbs. of pressure into their dick is just asking for a mishap...that's completely insane. I don't know the average lbs. used by most pumpers, but 29 lbs. seems like it is inviting a problem... Hell, you could air up your tires on your car with 29 lbs. of pressure.
 
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Actually it never mentions pressures... vaccum pressure is measured in inches of water or inches of mercury, not in pounds. What they were talking about in the conclusion is the damage caused by the pulling forces caused by pumping. To get 29 pounds of pulling force, these bozos must have pumped at some extremely high vaccum pressures. I hang with 20 lbs and there's absolutely NO WAY that pumping at safe pressures (~5-10 in hg) can create that kind of pulling force.
just out of curiosity, have you, do you, or will you ever pump (ed)?
 
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just out of curiosity, have you, do you, or will you ever pump(ed)?
Yes i have, but not pumping at the moment. I will pump again once i start working on girth.
 
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Besides, anyone crazy enough to pump 29 lbs. of pressure into their dick is just asking for a mishap...that's completely insane. I don't know the average lbs. used by most pumpers, but 29 lbs. seems like it is inviting a problem... Hell, you could air up your tires on your car with 29 lbs. of pressure.
You can't pump to 29 lbs of pressure cuz pumping is really an incorrect term, it should be called vaccuming. Pumping is positive pressure measured in lbs, but vaccum in negative pressure measured in inches of mercury (in hg). The study talked about 29lbs of pulling pressure caused by pumping . As i mentioned in an earlier post, they must have been pumping at some extreme pressure to get 29lbs of pulling force.
 
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My mistake, that just goes to show how little I know about pumping ...I'll stick with my two hands for making my dick bigger...
 

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I'm going to wager to say that clamping is not capable of affecting the penis in the same manner as pumping ... With pumping you're introducing air into the penis as well as the blood that is already in there, which can be a dangerous combination if not carefully monitored., as with blowing up a balloon it is possible to blow the penis up to the point that it essentially "pops" and becomes useless. With clamping, all you're doing is allowing more blood to enter the penis...it's impossible to force enough blood into the penis through kegeling to cause this same "pop."

The real danger with clamping comes in leving the clamp on too long, thereby not allowing oxygenated blood to reach the cells of the penile chambers. This can cause anything from lack of sensation, to impotence...
Just what I was gunna say.
 
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Yes i have, but not pumping at the moment. I will pump again once i start working on girth.

has it messed with your ability to attain and maintain an erection without cock rings, clamps, or medications? how long did you do it for each session and also how many days,weeks, months, etc.? what pump did you use?
 

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