Phallogenetics Tension Questions

Fillerup · Nov 11, 2017

Good day, gentlemen! Today, I will go down to the Post Office and pick up my Phallosan Forte PLUS an XL bell. Also on order is an X4 labs stretcher. I ordered this one over the Size Genetics primarily because I live in Canada and the X4 is made in Canada and shipped within Canada, so no dealings with Customs. Plus has a 5 year warranty and was considerably cheaper than the size Genetics. But that is not what I'm writing about. I've read many of the posts about combining the PF with a stretcher to get what has been termed the "Phallogenetics." Sounds like a brilliant idea, but I'm wondering about the compatibility of the tensions of each device. My understanding is that max tension on the PF is 6.6 pounds, putting you into the "red" zone. The X4 apparently has 4200 gram tension springs, which translates into 9.25 pounds, almost 50% more than the max of the PF. So, what happens if you attach the PF to the extender, and use the max tension of the extender, which is considerably greater? I would expect the tension gauge on the PF is part of the pump mechanism. Well, once it reaches max, in the red zone at 6.6, and you continue applying tension on your extender to it's max of over 9....what happens? Would the gauge break? Would the amount of suction provided by the pump be sufficient to hold your glans in place? Or maybe you should limit the tension to the max the PF can handle ie 6.6 pounds? Hopefully this makes sense and some of you using this combination can comment. Thanks much!

Filleup

Lookn4girth · Nov 12, 2017

Actually, the gauge on the PF is built in to the attachment portion that clips around the bell so you would not use it when making the mod. I am not familiar with the X4 but from looking at the pictures it looks like the SG so the function should be the same. You will still attach the pump to the bell and you will secure the bell to the part on the x4 where the strap would usually go. I have a picture on my progress log showing it attached if you want to take a look and see if this gives you an idea of what it will look like

Fillerup · Nov 12, 2017

Ok, I get it. You still use the pump of course, but no need for the gauge. I think the X4 has a gauge of sorts built into the springs. But I still wonder if the PF pump provides enough vacuum to hold the glans in the bell at the max tension of the X4, which is over 9 pounds. Remains to be seen although 9 pounds may be overkill, as most extenders don't provide that amount of tension, far as I know. My PF just arrived this afternoon, so I've been playing around with it a bit. Cannot use the medium as it's just too small, but the large works. I also have the XL bell, but can't see using that for some time as it's pretty large. Unless after a major girth session. But we'll see. I'm wondering about the use of baby powder. Are we supposed to apply BP to the sleeves both inside and out? And how much? Application after each time you take it off (say when you have to take a leak) or at the end of the day when you're done? As for being covert, I don't think you could hide the bell and pump without a shirt or sweater hanging over your waist.

Lookn4girth · Nov 12, 2017

Fillerup;745773 said:
Ok, I get it. You still use the pump of course, but no need for the gauge. I think the X4 has a gauge of sorts built into the springs. But I still wonder if the PF pump provides enough vacuum to hold the glans in the bell at the max tension of the X4, which is over 9 pounds. Remains to be seen although 9 pounds may be overkill, as most extenders don't provide that amount of tension, far as I know. My PF just arrived this afternoon, so I've been playing around with it a bit. Cannot use the medium as it's just too small, but the large works. I also have the XL bell, but can't see using that for some time as it's pretty large. Unless after a major girth session. But we'll see. I'm wondering about the use of baby powder. Are we supposed to apply BP to the sleeves both inside and out? And how much? Application after each time you take it off (say when you have to take a leak) or at the end of the day when you're done? As for being covert, I don't think you could hide the bell and pump without a shirt or sweater hanging over your waist.

That is correct fill, the gauge on the x4 is built in. As for the PF bell staying attached, I have used the mod with my SG and when I attached the bell to it and released, the SG indicated that I was at max tension and never had a slippage issue. I use the powder that came with my SG and I only use it once in the morning when I first attach it. At the end of the day when I take it off, I clean the glans cap and the sleeve and let it dry so it is ready for the next day

Fillerup · Nov 13, 2017

Lookn4girth;745797 said:
That is correct fill, the gauge on the x4 is built in. As for the PF bell staying attached, I have used the mod with my SG and when I attached the bell to it and released, the SG indicated that I was at max tension and never had a slippage issue. I use the powder that came with my SG and I only use it once in the morning when I first attach it. At the end of the day when I take it off, I clean the glans cap and the sleeve and let it dry so it is ready for the next day

Thanks, Lookn4girth. It's been a bit of a learning curve the past couple days, trying to figure how this device works. I had some trouble with the comfort sleeve, as being uncut, I have to retract the foreskin before putting on the sleeve. But if you need one hand to hold the foreskin back, that leaves only one hand to put on the sleeve. I did finally manage it, but it was tricky. A couple of times the vacuum slipped and I could see the glans slipping inside the bell and had to reapply vacuum. But a couple of times it held just fine. But I do have one major complaint, and it's a biggy. I felt that the tension, as indicated on the gauge, didn't seem strong enough. Even in the red it didn't seem that high. So, out of curiosity, I took a 2 1/2 pound weight plate, wrapped and tied a string around it, and attached it to the gauge clip with an s-hook. At 2 1/2 pounds, the gauge was well into the red. But, according to the website, the gauge should just be entering the yellow at that weight. I added another 2 1/2 pound plate, for a total of 5 pounds, and the gauge was totally maxed out, even though the site says 6.6 pounds PLUS. I hate to say it, but the gauge appears to be totally inaccurate, and you are not getting the stretch you think you are. With the Phallogenics, or, as I will soon call it, the PhalloX4, this is irrelevant. But what I'm saying, again, is that you are not getting the amount of tension that the gauge suggests. I have written the company and am awaiting a response. I also did a bit of googling and found others on the PEGYM site that discovered the same thing, and their results were the same as mine. WTF!?

PS, You can check the gauge on their site here: The PHALLOSAN® forte penis stretching device - PHALLOSAN® forte

Fillerup

DLD · Nov 13, 2017

I do not think gages on equipment are there for perfect accuracy but as a reference. Now that you are combining the equipment this may cause a greater variation on the said gages. Are you seeing more than what is shown or less?

Lookn4girth · Nov 13, 2017

Fillerup;745802 said:
Thanks, Lookn4girth. It's been a bit of a learning curve the past couple days, trying to figure how this device works. I had some trouble with the comfort sleeve, as being uncut, I have to retract the foreskin before putting on the sleeve. But if you need one hand to hold the foreskin back, that leaves only one hand to put on the sleeve. I did finally manage it, but it was tricky. A couple of times the vacuum slipped and I could see the glans slipping inside the bell and had to reapply vacuum. But a couple of times it held just fine. But I do have one major complaint, and it's a biggy. I felt that the tension, as indicated on the gauge, didn't seem strong enough. Even in the red it didn't seem that high. So, out of curiosity, I took a 2 1/2 pound weight plate, wrapped and tied a string around it, and attached it to the gauge clip with an s-hook. At 2 1/2 pounds, the gauge was well into the red. But, according to the website, the gauge should just be entering the yellow at that weight. I added another 2 1/2 pound plate, for a total of 5 pounds, and the gauge was totally maxed out, even though the site says 6.6 pounds PLUS. I hate to say it, but the gauge appears to be totally inaccurate, and you are not getting the stretch you think you are. With the Phallogenics, or, as I will soon call it, the PhalloX4, this is irrelevant. But what I'm saying, again, is that you are not getting the amount of tension that the gauge suggests. I have written the company and am awaiting a response. I also did a bit of googling and found others on the PEGYM site that discovered the same thing, and their results were the same as mine. WTF!?

PS, You can check the gauge on their site here: The PHALLOSAN® forte penis stretching device - PHALLOSAN® forte

Fillerup

Like DLD said, I have never really put much emphasis on the tension indicator. I go more by feeling than anything else. If I attach it and am getting a good stretch it is all good. When using the Phalogenetics, I always have it maxed out and you can tell it just by how hard it is pulling on your cock

Fillerup · Nov 13, 2017

doublelongdaddy;745816 said:
I do not think gages on equipment are there for perfect accuracy but as a reference. Now that you are combining the equipment this may cause a greater variation on the said gages. Are you seeing more than what is shown or less?

My X4 hasn't arrived yet, but it's in the mail. I'm not quite clear though on what you mean when you say, "Now that you are combining the equipment this may cause a greater variation on the said gages." Could you clarify? And I understand that the gauge on the PF may not be "perfect" in accuracy, but I think I would expect a piece of equipment costing $500 (Canadian) should be accurate. According to Phallosan's gauge (not mine), it should take about a 5 pound pull to put you into the red. In reality, 2.5 pounds puts you well into the red zone. This gauge is not approximate. It's way off. Think of weight hanging. What if you had a gauge that told you that you were hanging 20 lbs. Then one day you weighed it and found it was actually 10? or 9? or 8? Would that matter? I think it would. But the Phallogenetics (or PhalloX4) sounds like a really cool application, with much greater stretch potential and comfort combined. I expect to be using it quite a bit.

Fillerup · Nov 13, 2017

Lookn4girth;745818 said:
Like DLD said, I have never really put much emphasis on the tension indicator. I go more by feeling than anything else. If I attach it and am getting a good stretch it is all good. When using the Phalogenetics, I always have it maxed out and you can tell it just by how hard it is pulling on your cock

Well, that answers my question on whether or not the PF will hold the vacuum at max stretch. Although you are using a Size Genetics, right? What is the max tension on their springs? Mine, as I pointed out, will be 4200 grams, or 9.25 pounds. The SG may be less, but I don't know.

Lookn4girth · Nov 13, 2017

Fillerup;745864 said:
Well, that answers my question on whether or not the PF will hold the vacuum at max stretch. Although you are using a Size Genetics, right? What is the max tension on their springs? Mine, as I pointed out, will be 4200 grams, or 9.25 pounds. The SG may be less, but I don't know.

Don't hold me to it but I think the SG advertises 3600 grams at max. When I am attaching the bell to the SG, I pull the tension as much as I can while having the springs compressed so when I let off it is probably greater than the advertised max

Fillerup · Nov 13, 2017

Lookn4girth;745865 said:
Don't hold me to it but I think the SG advertises 3600 grams at max. When I am attaching the bell to the SG, I pull the tension as much as I can while having the springs compressed so when I let off it is probably greater than the advertised max

Well then, sounds like the vacuum can hold a considerable amount of weight. I thought about hanging a 10-lb plate from it, but worried the plastic clip might break. Not a problem when attached to the extender.

Lookn4girth · Nov 14, 2017

Fillerup;745874 said:
Well then, sounds like the vacuum can hold a considerable amount of weight. I thought about hanging a 10-lb plate from it, but worried the plastic clip might break. Not a problem when attached to the extender.

I would not attach to the clip, I experimented tonight with mine and used a piece of wire in place of the clip and attached a 5 pound weight and hung for 15 minutes with no slippage

Fillerup · Nov 14, 2017

Lookn4girth;745883 said:
I would not attach to the clip, I experimented tonight with mine and used a piece of wire in place of the clip and attached a 5 pound weight and hung for 15 minutes with no slippage

If you think about it, attaching 5 pound to the clip shouldn't be an issue. After all, according to Phallosan, it can handle 6.6 lbs when fully in the red. But as I mentioned, that gauge is not at all accurate. I have one of the MaleHangers and was hanging 15 pounds earlier today for 12 minutes. I could go longer, but was in too much pain. Not ligament pain or stretching pain. Fucking PINCHING pain. It's this damn foreskin. Always getting pinched no matter what I do or how I wrap. I have a LM sitting in the closet because no matter how I try to wrap, it gets pinched and the pain is unbearable. I'm thinking of selling it as will probably never be able to use it Damn! I experience even a little bit of pinching with the PF, as sometimes some foreskin gets trapped underneath the sheath and gets pinched. I feel it, but it's bearable. Doubt I could sleep with it though. Also had some trouble with slippage, and trying to figure out the right sleeve/bell configuration. I did a girth session this morning and I could not get into the large bell this evening. I had to use the XL bell. I've had it on for about 20 minutes now and no sign of slippage. But I'm pretty sure if I avoided girth work for a day or two, I could get by with the large bell. Another problem is when doing girth work, particularly with the BM, I get a lot of fluid buildup. And where? In the foreskin of course! And it doesn't go away in a few hours. Takes 1-2 days to fully subside. Now if you don't have a foreskin, I can see why the fluid retention would be much less. But when this fucking foreskin gets in the way of everything to begin with, and then you have excess fluid buildup, it's a bloody nightmare! Part of me wants to just shelve all the girth work for now and work exclusively on length. Then, when I'm satisfied, I can go exclusively on girth. One thing is for sure, I don't care what anybody claims, Being uncut makes PE and the various devices much, much harder to work with. still not sure how I'm going to hook up the PF to my X4 when it arrives. I'll have to play around with the X4,see how it works and what I can come up with to adapt it to hold the PF. I can be pretty innovative at times.

DLD · Nov 14, 2017

I really hope the PhalloGenetics is exactly what you need to do the trick. You have been up and down so many roads but have remained determined. I am really hopping this is your ice breaker!

Lookn4girth · Nov 14, 2017

Fillerup;745884 said:
If you think about it, attaching 5 pound to the clip shouldn't be an issue. After all, according to Phallosan, it can handle 6.6 lbs when fully in the red. But as I mentioned, that gauge is not at all accurate. I have one of the MaleHangers and was hanging 15 pounds earlier today for 12 minutes. I could go longer, but was in too much pain. Not ligament pain or stretching pain. Fucking PINCHING pain. It's this damn foreskin. Always getting pinched no matter what I do or how I wrap. I have a LM sitting in the closet because no matter how I try to wrap, it gets pinched and the pain is unbearable. I'm thinking of selling it as will probably never be able to use it Damn! I experience even a little bit of pinching with the PF, as sometimes some foreskin gets trapped underneath the sheath and gets pinched. I feel it, but it's bearable. Doubt I could sleep with it though. Also had some trouble with slippage, and trying to figure out the right sleeve/bell configuration. I did a girth session this morning and I could not get into the large bell this evening. I had to use the XL bell. I've had it on for about 20 minutes now and no sign of slippage. But I'm pretty sure if I avoided girth work for a day or two, I could get by with the large bell. Another problem is when doing girth work, particularly with the BM, I get a lot of fluid buildup. And where? In the foreskin of course! And it doesn't go away in a few hours. Takes 1-2 days to fully subside. Now if you don't have a foreskin, I can see why the fluid retention would be much less. But when this fucking foreskin gets in the way of everything to begin with, and then you have excess fluid buildup, it's a bloody nightmare! Part of me wants to just shelve all the girth work for now and work exclusively on length. Then, when I'm satisfied, I can go exclusively on girth. One thing is for sure, I don't care what anybody claims, Being uncut makes PE and the various devices much, much harder to work with. still not sure how I'm going to hook up the PF to my X4 when it arrives. I'll have to play around with the X4,see how it works and what I can come up with to adapt it to hold the PF. I can be pretty innovative at times.

You may be right on the PF clip holding the weight but my thinking is the belt clip distributes the weight evenly where if you hung the weight on the clip the force may be exerted on a small area breaking it. I would go in to meltdown mode if that happened

Fillerup · Nov 14, 2017

Lookn4girth;745963 said:
You may be right on the PF clip holding the weight but my thinking is the belt clip distributes the weight evenly where if you hung the weight on the clip the force may be exerted on a small area breaking it. I would go in to meltdown mode if that happened

Good point! How did you attach a piece of wire in place of the clip?

Fillerup · Nov 14, 2017

doublelongdaddy;745927 said:
I really hope the PhalloGenetics is exactly what you need to do the trick. You have been up and down so many roads but have remained determined. I am really hopping this is your ice breaker!

Me too, DLD. If you look at my post in another thread, you will find some really confusing info from Phallosan that they sent me in an email this morning. You can find the thread here:
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/phallosan-forte/90591-phallosan-belt-adjustment.html#post745967

I hope the link worked. But in essence, they suggest using the green zone and, at most, slightly into the yellow, but never into the red, even though, as I've pointed out, 2.5 pounds pull puts you into the red. In a previous email, they also recommended NOT using any other form of enlargement. I do not believe you would agree? And if I do use the PF in a Phallogenetics configuration, and follow PF's advice, the tension would have to be very, very low, in the neighborhood of 400-600 grams by my estimate. If 2.5 pounds puts you well into the red (and it does) then staying in the green would be considerably less, as I mentioned. None of this is making sense.

Lookn4girth · Nov 14, 2017

Fillerup;745971 said:
Good point! How did you attach a piece of wire in place of the clip?

I took the clip off and used a pipe cleaner to wrap around the bell where the clip goes. I then twisted it so it would not come loose and placed a loop in the other end to hold the ring for the weights.

Fillerup · Nov 14, 2017

Lookn4girth;745974 said:
I took the clip off and used a pipe cleaner to wrap around the bell where the clip goes. I then twisted it so it would not come loose and placed a loop in the other end to hold the ring for the weights.

Good idea. I think a piece of strong twine would probably work as well. Trouble is, 5 pounds, according to the folks at Phallosan, is way too much, and would be counter productive. I hope DLD chimes in with his perspective on this whole thing. Another point is I suggest that Phallosan may simply be covering their ass so that the possibility of injury is greatly reduced by staying in the green zone.

Lookn4girth · Nov 14, 2017

Fillerup;745979 said:
Good idea. I think a piece of strong twine would probably work as well. Trouble is, 5 pounds, according to the folks at Phallosan, is way too much, and would be counter productive. I hope DLD chimes in with his perspective on this whole thing. Another point is I suggest that Phallosan may simply be covering their ass so that the possibility of injury is greatly reduced by staying in the green zone.

You are likely correct on the liability issue. I am pretty sure they know that we are going to do things with the product that it was not designed for. Twine or anything else that you could secure to the bell would work. The one thing you do have to do is keep it away from the pump as it has to stay attached during the hanging session

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