Madonna-Whore Complex

I must say that I have this problem. i have a hard time seeing how a woman could be loyal and decent and also ravenously enjoy sex. I mean aren't all women sluts by nature just some haven't had the realization yet? This is a problem for me especially in the area of eventually getting married. I realize noone takes the concept of marriage seriously anymore as evidenced by the rampant divorce rates, but I do. I want a women who loves ME enough to want only me for a life time. Even if I did have an 11'' dick that could give her the best sex ever, what if it turns into an addiction for her and she wants variety? Aren't all women this way?

What really bothers me is the stories online about cheating wives, cuckolds, women turning into sluts after experiencing massive cock, etc. There IS SO MUCH OF THIS SHIT!! It makes me depressed. I realize that some of it is fantasy, but HOW MUCH OF IT IS TRUE? Good God, you'd think all women and marriages end up this way! and what the F is with these cheating wives Penis EnlargementRSONALS SITES?? shit do all women get horny from the thought of betraying somebody?

sorry for the rant, I just feel lost.

JC ROD

There are going to be some that enjoy and want sex all the time and there are some that will be happy with one man. Why sweat over things you have no control over... Find a woman that you connect well and share similar interests and go from there. Worrying over whether she's going to cheat on you or whether she wants someone else's dick will just doom the relationship.

I think that jealous people (men and women) or people who expect the worse just create stress and uncertainty in relationships and will eventually be the reason for the breakup. Be confident in yourself and your choices in women and live your life to the best of your abilities. If she cheats on you... she would have no matter what you did. I say quit thinking about the what-if's and think about the positives. Hakuna Matata...

jonny rod said:

I must say that I have this problem. i have a hard time seeing how a woman could be loyal and decent and also ravenously enjoy sex.

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Dude, I kinda know what you mean. Ideally, I would like to marry, have kids, and do the whole family thing. It's the normal, healthy thing to do for most people and it has its appeal. However, I don't think I can last in such a relationship without good sex. The girls that are genuinely sweet and have great desireable personality characteristics and good moral character may or may not turn into your personal sex fiend. Seems like a hit or miss.

Your women with a ravenous sexual appetite will probably indeed take care of your personal needs, but yes you do have to wonder if they'll be taking care of your needs exclusively. As much as I need good sex, I don't think I could ever have a relationship with someone that had been around the block several times in most any ride imaginable. I don't think I'll ever be able to do high mileage, no matter how nice the ride looks. I guess I'm looking for a chick with relatively little experience or a low number of partners that seems to value the love and emotional aspects of sex above all else and that is very open minded in the activity itself. If the idea of cum and the possibility of swallowing and such shit is disgusting in her eyes, she needs to look elsewhere.

There you go Penguinsfan. By the way the pens are horrible, and with Crosby too. Sorry, back to what I was saying. I am actually pretty lucky in the regard of women and experiences, but even then the prudishness comes out. The girl that I've known for a long time and am really open with about sex has never actually had sex, or much of any physical involvement at all, yet she thinks she would like rough sex. I'm all about it, now I just got to get into the right situation, of my own creation and we'll see what goes down.

penguinsfan said:

Dude, I kinda know what you mean. Ideally, I would like to marry, have kids, and do the whole family thing. It's the normal, healthy thing to do for most people and it has its appeal. However, I don't think I can last in such a relationship without good sex. The girls that are genuinely sweet and have great desireable personality characteristics and good moral character may or may not turn into your personal sex fiend. Seems like a hit or miss.

Your women with a ravenous sexual appetite will probably indeed take care of your personal needs, but yes you do have to wonder if they'll be taking care of your needs exclusively. As much as I need good sex, I don't think I could ever have a relationship with someone that had been around the block several times in most any ride imaginable. I don't think I'll ever be able to do high mileage, no matter how nice the ride looks. I guess I'm looking for a chick with relatively little experience or a low number of partners that seems to value the love and emotional aspects of sex above all else and that is very open minded in the activity itself. If the idea of cum and the possibility of swallowing and such shit is disgusting in her eyes, she needs to look elsewhere.

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I'm guessing you two are fairly young and inexperianced judging by your comments,just because a woman is good in bed and has a high sex drive does not mean she has had loads of dick or that she will cheat.

Reread what sikdogg said he was spot on.

jonny rod said:

What really bothers me is the stories online about cheating wives, cuckolds, women turning into sluts after experiencing massive cock, etc. There IS SO MUCH OF THIS SHIT!! It makes me depressed. I realize that some of it is fantasy, but HOW MUCH OF IT IS TRUE? Good God, you'd think all women and marriages end up this way! and what the F is with these cheating wives Penis EnlargementRSONALS SITES?? shit do all women get horny from the thought of betraying somebody?

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Oh, I meant to reply to this part of the post too. Jonny, a largely percentage of what you read in ���� is bullshit. Not all of it, but a considerable portion. Go look through a few issues of Penthouse Letters magazine, which is probably the premier mainstream publication for erotic stories and letters. You can tell most of the letter use similar writing style and shit and you'll realize that it is the same writers creating most of it. Are they all fiction? No, but don't think it's entirely reality either.

You will notice that a fair number of these letters have a common theme: A man comes home early from a trip and finds his wife, who had never been with anyone else, getting gang-banged and he loves watching unnoticed and cannot wait to eat her cum-filled pussy out once they leave. Okay, that is not reality. Guys might be aroused reading such a story because they fantasize about being such a sex-crazed chick, but they sure as hell don't want that to be THEIR woman. I have never spoke to any man that is anything but repulsed by the idea of eating pussy after someone else had just fucked his girl. That shit isn't real. I mean, of course there are a small number of guys out there with obscure fantasies of this nature, but they don't represent the amount of that shit published either. Most anything written about has probably happened somewhere, but what I'm saying is it isn't commonplace.

A friend of mine had some Penthouse magazines that were old, as he got them from some friend whose dad had left his stash or something. I believe they were from the late 70's. What I remember about them is the erotic stories had almost nothing about threesomes, gangbangs, group activities, and not even much interracial. It was far different than what is published today, because these "letters" basically tend to reflect whatever is popular in ����.

So, while there is undoubtedly some truth out there in these stories and accounts, there is FAR MORE bullshit. Quite often, it's a business. Go to an adult personals site and respond to some "female ads". You'll find some legit ads, I'm sure, but you'll find a lot of it is leading to web sites. Cheating is always a concern, but don't let the stories you read from adult-oriented sources persuade you away from a relationship.

millionman said:

There you go Penguinsfan. By the way the pens are horrible, and with Crosby too.

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Oh, it's painful. Still, I love to watch them. The young guns are doing all the scoring. We got a steal of a prospect in Michel Oullet and we'll have Evgeni Malkin next year, who made Team Russia while Alexander Ovechkin did not. Some of the veterans we have don't seem to fit into the program and we definitely have seen some of the high-potential signings not work out for us. The future is bright though.

The girl that I've known for a long time and am really open with about sex has never actually had sex, or much of any physical involvement at all, yet she thinks she would like rough sex.

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Sure. Just because she's never had sex doesn't mean she won't want too or that she won't be open and adventurous. I just advocate discovering this shit early, because my last fuck was sensational beyond my wildest expectations and I cannot live with boring sex ever again.

prince Albert said:

I'm guessing you two are fairly young and inexperianced judging by your comments,just because a woman is good in bed and has a high sex drive does not mean she has had loads of dick or that she will cheat.

Reread what sikdogg said he was spot on.

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I have no great amount of sexual experience. Experience can be overrated. Hell, if I have sex 10,000 times it will still be less experience than I'd like to have. I suppose I am highly inexperienced in relationships. I've never had a steady fling going. Doesn't bother me, just the hand I've been dealt.

I agree with you that a just because a woman is can bring it or wants it all the time does not mean that she is likely to cheat. Just depends on her circumstances and other traits.

I totally disagree with you about having had loads of dick. If she's slept with MANY different guys, odds are you may not be the best and she might be longing for something. Odds are also that if she has slept with many different guys, she may have cheated in a past relationship because there are only two other scenarios.

The first is that she has had a heavy amount of casual sex without any relationship attached at all. Think about how you'd like to have that in your woman's past. Suppose you have a major argument and she goes to hangouts at one of her girlfriend's places for a few hours and they had out for a night of drinking. You think it's plausible that some guy just might try and take her home and that if she's had several other one-nighters and pissed off at you that she could rationalize it in her drunken mind? You think it just might be that the guy trying to hook-up with her might not give a shit about you and take full advantage of the situation? I think I'd say "yes" on both accounts. The reality is the less hooking up a chick has done the less likely it is that hooking up with someone else will seem like second nature to her.

The other scenario is that most of her sex has been with past boyfriends, but she has had a really high number of them. Well, if some chick tells me she's never fucked any guy she wasn't dating but that she's fucked 25 guys I'm going to be thinking she seems challenged in keeping a stable relationship. God only knows what the underlying problems or issues could be, but it should send up red flags. Again, it kinda goes back to whatever she has done a lot of will probably seem like second nature to her and she'll be more likely to repeat in the future. In my latter example, that would be ending the relationship instead of trying to resolve issues.

Of course a person can find exceptions to anything and I'm sure there are some girls out there that have really been around that are looking to settle down and would make a good partner. However, I really think there much more the exception than the rule. I remain convinced that a large number of sex partners means getting involved with the girl in a relationship is a real gamble.

For the record, I do think sikdogg was right about not getting too uptight and letting it get the best of you. You cannot let it eat you up inside and you can't be such a paranoid asshole that you end up driving them to seek attention elsewhere.

Humans are deff NOT monogamous, even if they dont cheat theyre just polygamous without cheating refered to as serial monogamy in which the person leaves the other person before being with some1 else.

Humans(both sexes) are deff not designed to be with only person it doesnt make sense

Maybe a couple thousand years ago, but we didn't even have shoes then:s . How does it not make sense? It seems to make sense for raising kids, and always having someone in your corner. sikkdog and prince Albert were dead-on.

The original poster is making many generalizations there. In other words you seem to be lumping all women into one category if....gasp...they really really like sex. You could say the same of any man who loves sex....that he MUST just go around dipping his dick in anything he can find. This is not only untrue, and unfair but also a very narrow minded approach that will only end up with you limiting your views on how women 'must' be. You also sound like a person that has some serious trust issues for whatever the reason. Perhaps it is the way you were raised, or something you experienced growing up that you may need to see a professional over to sort these issues out. From my own experience, an untrusting person usually and almost always has problems trusting themselves first.

Not a personal attack, I mean heck I dont even know you. I'm just trying to give some food for thought.

So what if a man, or woman has had multiple sex partners? Some questions that matter: Do they have children from each one? Do they have STDs? Do they value their current relationship with you? Is there a mutual feeling of trust between you? A persons' past should be just that.

AlreadyPackin' said:

Maybe a couple thousand years ago, but we didn't even have shoes then:s . How does it not make sense? It seems to make sense for raising kids, and always having someone in your corner. sikkdog and prince Albert were dead-on.

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yeah wut they said was good but what does it have to do with what I was saying lol


I have no problem with people being non-monogamous or people cheating or wutever its none of my bussiness and I will never be in a steady relationship and never have kids both are useless IMO and offer no benefits some people dont accept the facts humans are not as innocent as we are led to believe like george carlin said" a rat will do real disgusting shit but a rat will not fuck another dead rat only humans will"

50% +/- of women do cheat in the US which means 1 in 2 or 5 out of 10 so if there are only 2 guys with gf/wives on here one of them is sharing his woman..and its not as u think people can go on married untill they died and no1 will find out but the fact remains they have cheated....everyone worried now?? lol Im just messin with ya but hey u never know

Ok, now it's time for a reply from a woman's perspective....

First of all, EVERYONE LOVES SEX! Men & women alike!
Lemme ask you this, if you ARE the type that ravenously enjoys sex and you were with a woman who DIDN'T, wouldn't the tables turn? Would you think about cheating? Like others who have replied before me, if you do nothing but sit around and worry that the other person is cheating NEITHER of you will have any enjoyment, sexually or otherwise. If sex turns into an addiction for your woman, TALK to her about it. And besides, if SEX WITH YOU turns into an addiction, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? I think everyone would love to know that their partner is addicted to sex with them. This doesn't mean that their addicted to sex with everyone. I mean, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe you're that good??? I love having sex with my man but I would NEVER jeopardize the already AMAZING sex (and other wonderful aspects of our relationship) I get just to attempt to see if there is anything better out there.

I know a lot of people cheat but hey, life goes on and things always become exposed and when they do, move on. There ARE still people out there that are looking for a meaningful relationship.

So don't worry be happy mon!

funkydiscochik said:

Ok, now it's time for a reply from a woman's perspective....

First of all, EVERYONE LOVES SEX! Men & women alike!
Lemme ask you this, if you ARE the type that ravenously enjoys sex and you were with a woman who DIDN'T, wouldn't the tables turn? Would you think about cheating? Like others who have replied before me, if you do nothing but sit around and worry that the other person is cheating NEITHER of you will have any enjoyment, sexually or otherwise. If sex turns into an addiction for your woman, TALK to her about it. And besides, if SEX WITH YOU turns into an addiction, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? I think everyone would love to know that their partner is addicted to sex with them. This doesn't mean that their addicted to sex with everyone. I mean, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe you're that good??? I love having sex with my man but I would NEVER jeopardize the already AMAZING sex (and other wonderful aspects of our relationship) I get just to attempt to see if there is anything better out there.

I know a lot of people cheat but hey, life goes on and things always become exposed and when they do, move on. There ARE still people out there that are looking for a meaningful relationship.

So don't worry be happy mon!

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No NO ur wrong...listen man shes gonna leave u for the next guy with a bigger dick sorry man.....:s

Seriously shes having sex with YOU and in a relationship with YOU what more do u need???

And one more thing... if she wants variety.... GIVE IT TO HER! There's nothing wrong with a little variety in the bedroom! If you're worried she'll look else where, keep her interested! I mean aren't we (women) the one's who are NOTORIOUS for having sex toys? Use her 'toys' to play with her, spank that ass, make it rough, whatever she likes. TURN UP THE HEAT MAN!

DWTS00 said:

yeah wut they said was good but what does it have to do with what I was saying lol


I have no problem with people being non-monogamous or people cheating or wutever its none of my bussiness and I will never be in a steady relationship and never have kids both are useless IMO and offer no benefits some people dont accept the facts humans are not as innocent as we are led to believe like george carlin said" a rat will do real disgusting shit but a rat will not fuck another dead rat only humans will"

50% +/- of women do cheat in the US which means 1 in 2 or 5 out of 10 so if there are only 2 guys with gf/wives on here one of them is sharing his woman..and its not as u think people can go on married untill they died and no1 will find out but the fact remains they have cheated....everyone worried now?? lol Im just messin with ya but hey u never know

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I was just messin' with the 1000 years part, and wanted to know what you meant didn't make sense. I didn't mean to relate my agreement with sikkdog to that.
And Hell yeah, people cheat! I see it all the time. In fact, I get hit on more now that I am married. People don't take marriage as seriously these days, and many marry without thinking about what they are actually doing, then they think and are like "Oh SHIT!" I once had the same attitude about kids, and I still don't have any, and am not real amped about having any, but everyone says that changes once the first one pops up. Guess we'll have to see, eh?

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I was just messin' with the 1000 years part, and wanted to know what you meant didn't make sense. I didn't mean to relate my agreement with sikkdog to that.
And Hell yeah, people cheat! I see it all the time. In fact, I get hit on more now that I am married. People don't take marriage as seriously these days, and many marry without thinking about what they are actually doing, then they think and are like "Oh SHIT!" I once had the same attitude about kids, and I still don't have any, and am not real amped about having any, but everyone says that changes once the first one pops up. Guess we'll have to see, eh?

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I have a feeling Ill still hate marriage and kids till I die.

About the marriage thing If ppl cant commit dont do it, I think that alot of people get married for the wrong reasons like following the mainstream, getting out of their old life etc... its really stupid.

stillwantmore said:

The original poster is making many generalizations there. In other words you seem to be lumping all women into one category if....gasp...they really really like sex. You could say the same of any man who loves sex....that he MUST just go around dipping his dick in anything he can find. This is not only untrue, and unfair but also a very narrow minded approach that will only end up with you limiting your views on how women 'must' be. You also sound like a person that has some serious trust issues for whatever the reason. Perhaps it is the way you were raised, or something you experienced growing up that you may need to see a professional over to sort these issues out. From my own experience, an untrusting person usually and almost always has problems trusting themselves first.

Not a personal attack, I mean heck I dont even know you. I'm just trying to give some food for thought.

So what if a man, or woman has had multiple sex partners? Some questions that matter: Do they have children from each one? Do they have STDs? Do they value their current relationship with you? Is there a mutual feeling of trust between you? A persons' past should be just that.

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It is true that jonny rod is probably making too much out of fearing women that enjoy sex. It is certainly possible that a virgin chick can get an incredible sexual appetite once she rides the man pole. My best friend is in that situation. He was her first, and now she wants him to be her non-stop 24/7. Sometimes that happens, sometimes the complete opposite, and more often than not something in the middle.

But I myself totally standby my comments in the 8th post above, for whatever it's worth. Trends are trends. Probabilities are probabilities. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but I would be real hesitant to risk my relationship (and financial nestegg) on what I hope to be an exception to the rule. You can listen to the stories of ���������, women that make bad choices with their sexual behavior, prostitutes, etc. and you will see a trend that many of these women have had a troubled, abusive upbringing. Of course it doesn't mean that every last one of them did. That's a given. But it does mean that most of them did. One shrink or counselor after another will vouch for it--it's undeniable. Again nothing is certain for every individual, but the tendency and risk factor here is very real. Would you have unprotected sex with a prostitute? After all, I'm sure only a minority (though far above the general population) of them have something serious like HIV. The answer is only a fool would have unprotected sex with a prostitute because of the higher risk. Only a fool would be in self-denial as to the elevated chance of infidelity with a woman with a wild past. Because the past is quite often (and those are the key words) an indication to possible future behavior. To deny it is to expose yourself to greater risk, for the sake of political correctness.

While a woman enjoying sex does not mean anything in and of itself, I might be concerned if she starts talking about it on the first date, before dessert is ordered. I GUARANTEE you that, statistically, a women that has been with a large number of men has a higher probability of cheating. So, if she has a healthy sexual appetite with YOU, that's a hell of a good thing. If she has stories of wild sexual ventures with a large number of men, proceed with caution.

penguinsfan said:

It is true that jonny rod is probably making too much out of fearing women that enjoy sex. It is certainly possible that a virgin chick can get an incredible sexual appetite once she rides the man pole. My best friend is in that situation. He was her first, and now she wants him to be her non-stop 24/7. Sometimes that happens, sometimes the complete opposite, and more often than not something in the middle.

But I myself totally standby my comments in the 8th post above, for whatever it's worth. Trends are trends. Probabilities are probabilities. Obviously, there are exceptions to the rule, but I would be real hesitant to risk my relationship (and financial nestegg) on what I hope to be an exception to the rule. You can listen to the stories of ���������, women that make bad choices with their sexual behavior, prostitutes, etc. and you will see a trend that many of these women have had a troubled, abusive upbringing. Of course it doesn't mean that every last one of them did. That's a given. But it does mean that most of them did. One shrink or counselor after another will vouch for it--it's undeniable. Again nothing is certain for every individual, but the tendency and risk factor here is very real. Would you have unprotected sex with a prostitute? After all, I'm sure only a minority (though far above the general population) of them have something serious like HIV. The answer is only a fool would have unprotected sex with a prostitute because of the higher risk. Only a fool would be in self-denial as to the elevated chance of infidelity with a woman with a wild past. Because the past is quite often (and those are the key words) an indication to possible future behavior. To deny it is to expose yourself to greater risk, for the sake of political correctness.

While a woman enjoying sex does not mean anything in and of itself, I might be concerned if she starts talking about it on the first date, before dessert is ordered. I GUARANTEE you that, statistically, a women that has been with a large number of men has a higher probability of cheating. So, if she has a healthy sexual appetite with YOU, that's a hell of a good thing. If she has stories of wild sexual ventures with a large number of men, proceed with caution.

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Possibly but some just sleep around and do commit without cheating you never know...sometimes the ones you never expect to cheat...DO!

DWTS00 said:

I have a feeling Ill still hate marriage and kids till I die.

About the marriage thing If ppl cant commit dont do it, I think that alot of people get married for the wrong reasons like following the mainstream, getting out of their old life etc... its really stupid.

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What is really sad is the clueless girl who marries some guy she has known for about 2 months, then moves somewhere with him, away from any of her family, friends, then is surprised when he "suddenly" changes into a jerk and starts mistreating her. Of course, since she moved, none of her support is around, so many just stay in the shitty situation.
A couple of the most faithful "prudes" I have been around turned out to be the herniest, bed-hoppingest freaks around. The old book by its cover cliche' comes to mind.