A simple answer to your question is this:

L-Citrulline ultimately converts to L-Arginine. The difference in the 2 is that L-Citrulline escapes intestinal or liver metabolism, and enters the kidneys where it is rapidly converted to L-Arginine. Meaning the more L-Citrulline, the more production of L-Arginine in the body. Arginase’s substantial intestinal and hepatic metabolism of L-arginine to ornithine and urea, combined with L-arginine’s use for other functions in the body, significantly lessens the likelihood of optimal improvement in NO production from oral supplements of L-arginine alone.

DL-Malate assist with energy production and therefore increases your metabolism among some other things. It really isn't necessary to take the Malic Acid, but it will increase your energy and make you feel tons better. Of course if you work out, it will help with sessions as well. Again, it is not necessary.

If you are looking for more L-Arginine without much loss, then I would get the 2:1 mixture. The only reason I went with the 1:1 is because I also purchased the L-Arginine/L-Ornithine from PB as well. With the mixture I get 1500mg L-Citrulline/1500mg DL-Malate/1000mg L-Arginine/500mg L-Ornithine. If you can afford it, it is really the best combination of the 2 products. If you are just looking for the benefit of L-Citrulline (Hence useful amount of L-Arginine), then I would get the 2:1 ratio. If you want enough L-Arginine production along with a good boost of energy then get the 1:1 with the L-Arginine/L-Ornithine combo. The way I take it is 1tsp of L-Citrulline/DL-Malate in the morning and 1tsp in the afternoon. I also take 1/2tsp L-Arginine/L-Ornithine with my night dose of L-Citrulline/DL-Malate before bed.

You will use less powder in quantity getting the 1:1, but will also get less L-Citrulline. IMHO, it sounds like you are looking for the benefits of Arginase so I would suggest the 2:1 ratio unless you are also going to purchase the L-Arginine/L-Ornithine powder. Then just get the 1:1 ratio.

John
 
wakingdream, you could have something else going on. Low t for some reason, rather than tolerance for l-citrulline, could be the case. You could have adrenal exhaustion, or just a temporary low-t condition. Some supplements call on t, others feed it. Something could be calling on t and tapping it out. Diet that favors insulin and estrogen will suppress testosterone. Irregular sleep, or stress, can lower t temporarily.
 
Sorry I haven't had the money yet to try out Citrulline. I'm still curious about the tolerance.

pnoewbe;526601 said:
wakingdream, you could have something else going on. Low t for some reason, rather than tolerance for l-citrulline, could be the case. You could have adrenal exhaustion, or just a temporary low-t condition. Some supplements call on t, others feed it. Something could be calling on t and tapping it out. Diet that favors insulin and estrogen will suppress testosterone. Irregular sleep, or stress, can lower t temporarily.
You're right and I agree in some cases, however in my case I was just analyzing the AAKG I was taking. It wasn't that I was having low libido or erection problems, I'm good there. It's just that during the first couple weeks of taking AAKG, I was getting ALOT of erections and randomly, and everywhere I walked if the breeze blew right I would suddenly have a chub. And I was waking up with rock hard morning wood that would take a long time going away. It was pretty sweet for some intense girth work during that time.
But after a couple weeks of taking AAKG, the effect wore off and I was back to normal (which is still probably alot of erections and chubs but not nearly as many lol), hence the tolerance. Now my bottle ran out anyway.
 
wakingdream;531149 said:
Sorry I haven't had the money yet to try out Citrulline. I'm still curious about the tolerance.


You're right and I agree in some cases, however in my case I was just analyzing the AAKG I was taking. It wasn't that I was having low libido or erection problems, I'm good there. It's just that during the first couple weeks of taking AAKG, I was getting ALOT of erections and randomly, and everywhere I walked if the breeze blew right I would suddenly have a chub. And I was waking up with rock hard morning wood that would take a long time going away. It was pretty sweet for some intense girth work during that time.
But after a couple weeks of taking AAKG, the effect wore off and I was back to normal (which is still probably alot of erections and chubs but not nearly as many lol), hence the tolerance. Now my bottle ran out anyway.

Can you please explain the abbreviations on this thread. I'm new and want to understand (EG, BPenis EnlargementL,BP Flaccid,EQ)
Thanks
 
AAKG is Arginine alpha-ketoglutarate. EG is Erect Girth, BPenis EnlargementL is Bonepressed Erect Length (supposed to measure standing, on the dorsal side of the penis), and EQ is Erection Quality, as in how easily you achieve and sustain erections as well as how hard they are.

There's a Penis Enlargement glossary with more terms if you go to the forums tab and scroll down to the Misc. Penis Enlargement forums.

You should read stuff in the Newbie Forum, it is very helpful and will get you started on the right foot.
 
crnajohn,

Did you purchase the L-Arginine/L-Ornithine AKG or HCL from PB? How is the combo with the L-Citrulline DL-Malate working for you?

Ken
 
crnajohn;526236 said:
Side Note: Add Bioperine and Raw Maca to the mix. Bioperine will help the body to absorb the nutrients you are taking and Maca, well it provides fuel to the endocrine system which will aide in regulating your metabolism, energy, growth, and sexual development. Maca has also been shown to increase male libido and to increase sperm levels.

John

Thank you so much for that information John! I was taking L-Cit at x3 teaspoons x1 a day and felt uneasy with little result. I'm following your advice now. But if I add bioperine and raw maca into the mix, how much should i take in a day with L-Cit? and how long before it takes effect?

Thanks. I wish i could upvote you!
 
Ken_13;531618 said:
crnajohn,

Did you purchase the L-Arginine/L-Ornithine AKG or HCL from PB? How is the combo with the L-Citrulline DL-Malate working for you?

Ken

I purchased the HCL of both supplements. The combo is great, but I have been doing some experimenting. So far it seems that if I don't take L-Arg/L-Orn and get it through other supplements such as Protein powder and pills I get the same effect. I did end up with 500g of the L-Arg/L-Orn so I add a small dose to my Protein shake in the morning just so it doesn't go to waste. For L-Citrulline/DL, I have to say I love this stuff and will always keep it on hand. It definately helps with the erections and makes them way strong. It also gives me more energy it seems during my workouts. It's hard to explain, but when I take 1 tsp of this stuff about 30 minutes later it is like I just drank a couple of energy drinks. Then at night the other tsp helps to aide in L-Arg production.
 
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Penis EnlargementnTraining;533259 said:
Thank you so much for that information John! I was taking L-Cit at x3 teaspoons x1 a day and felt uneasy with little result. I'm following your advice now. But if I add bioperine and raw maca into the mix, how much should i take in a day with L-Cit? and how long before it takes effect?

Thanks. I wish i could upvote you!

I am taking 10mg of Bioperine and 2250mg of Maca. Take in mind that for Maca anywhere between 1500mg and 3000mg is were studies have shown the most effect. I started at 1500mg/day Maca for about 2 weeks then moved on to 2250mg and it seemed to be the best dosage. Along with taking the 1/4 tsp. per day L-Citrulline, it is a winning combo.

Also, I found two more pills that I could not live without and that is Swedish Pollen Flower/Stinging Nettle combo. These 2 pills are amazing for ejaculations. Honestly, I would rather take 1 cialis and the Swedish Flower Pollen/Stinging Nettle than anything else. It's cheap to...

As far as amount of time for it to take effect, I would give it at least 4-6 weeks to notice an optimal difference. Some notice effects sooner...
 
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Good research! Thanks for the post.
 
So how do you guys cyle off L citruline...?? monday thru friday on ....saturday and sunday off??
 
Hey guys, just now started reading this thread. The NO2 production in this L-Citrulline made me start wondering if this ingredient was in my pre-workout drink. Just so happened it is! I take it every day I workout, so basically 5 days a week on average. I will say I have very good EQ.

The pre-workout drink I take is Neurocore. It's a pre-workout with high quality ingredients, including this. One scoop, which is what people typically start with, is 100g of L-Citrulline. But some take 3 scoops which would obviously be 300g. I'd highly recommend this pre-workout to anyone that lifts weights AND does Penis Enlargement. You get a high quality pre-workout drink, and if you do 3 scoops, you also get 300g of L-Citrulline for Penis Enlargement! You're killing 2 birds with one stone and it tastes good.

You can get this off bodybuilding.com for a good price and I actually got a good 2 for 1 deal last I bought it. If you're doing 3 scoops, it could get somewhat expensive though. A buddy of mine loves the blueberry with just water. Personally, I take the fruit punch flavor and mix it 2/3 fruit punch Gatorade, 1/3 water, and add liquid enhancer (fruit punch flavor), which contains vitamin b3, b6, and b12. But you can do it however you like!
 
I ordered some. Will start taking this weekend and let y'all know if I see anything happening.
My current pe goal is to get fl out there close to el, so I have a nice fat sausage bulge down the leg. I've always been a grower and I want to end turtling forever. Be a shower.
 
I have'nt tried but L-citrulline has been proved to be safe & psychologically well accepted by patients for mild to moderate ED.It is particularly in patients with a psychologically fear of PDE-5 enzyme inhibitors.
 
I am an older man, over 60, but in great shape (lift, run, all numbers are great). T levels have been borderline low, and I have used Viagra for almost 5 years... Viagra worked great up until a year ago, where it began not having the punch it used to. Depressing to say the least, this summer was not a good one.... nothing really worked, diet, heavy lifting, etc.. had minimal effects. I could not figure it out...
Not sure how I came to know about about Citrulline, but started using it approx. 2 weeks ago (Source Naturals, 1000mg), taking roughly 2 grams per day. Started noticing effects quickly, within a couple of days, and believe it or not, started waking up in the middle of the night a couple of times per night from the intensity of erections (unheard of for several years). I had sex a week or so ago and thought I would try some Viagra 100mg with it. I guess that is a no, no... but thought I would try it anyway. Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do !!!
I know I "juiced" it with Viagra, and in the future will cut own on that amount significantly.... However, it is very hard for me to describe how potent the effect was... was better than when I was 20, and I was very potent up until 5 years ago. Two hours, with a build-up and climax that was very hard to believe. The level of hardness, feeling, and size, was off the charts... I believe my Nitric Oxide production has slowly waned as the years have progressed, this is natural, and this supplement has returned it to normal (or even higher). I will be testing my NO levels as test strips should be arriving in the mail today, to determine if I need to take 2 grams as I have been taking. it will be interesting to see and track the results.
The following post from another website is an interesting, yet simplistic version of what I believe happens to many men with NO deficiencies: "Yes, L-Citrulline holds a lot of promise. So far no side effects have been noted in the studies and it looks like a better way to boost base NO levels. By the way, they have commented that it should work synergistically with the PDE5 Inhibitors (Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, etc). Why? Well, the PDE5s don't help a lot of men, because many men with advanced endothelial dysfunction simply don't produce enough NO. Remember that PDE5 Inhibitors work by allowing your existing NO to stay in your system longer. However, if you don't have enough NO in the first place, Viagra, Cialis and Levitra do not have the desired effect. This is where L-Citrulline comes in: it will boost NO enough to give the drugs (or many supplements such as Ginseng, Pycnogenol, Horny Goat Weed, etc.) something to act upon, or so it appears from a couple of studies to date."
Good luck, hope this post helps some....
 
BulkSupplements Pure L-Citrulline DL-Malate 2:1 Powder (100 grams) Amazon delivered Monday and I can't wait. Have used Viagra and Cialis and they worked but with side effects of headaches and not being able to sleep. I am 37 and have been on hypertensive meds over 10 years. Kegels do wonders but I miss the random wood. Don't always wake up in the mornings and sometimes hardness is at only at 60-75%. Was thinking about mixing the Citrulline with something else but after reading here, I think it alone will do the trick...I so hope
 
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This thread goes back to 2009, anybody have some long term use of this supplement. Any side effects, tolerances, observations over time. Also anyone had any luck with getting that MOS discount to still work? I emailed that guy but he posted that code back in 09 too.
 
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