Kingsnake on Injecting IGF-1 LR3 into the CC for cell divison and growth

doublelongdaddy;495408 said:

Never knew water would need to be so specific...why?

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I guess it needs to be sterile or it could cause an infection, maybe something to do with mixing it with the proteins.

Yes you can combine IGF-1 into the syringe with the PGE1. I don't do this yet because I want to see what the PGE1 does by itself first.

I have some IGF-1 DES which has more of a local effect and may work better. Right now I just inject it into my triceps and delts after a workout, it is very anabolic.

Some think it would cause hyperplasia or splitting of cells as opposed to merely growing the cells.

Bacteriostatic water will be fine for peptides, I think you can get them off of Amazon or you can make it yourself. I always ordered it.

I would also like to add to research the company you're getting your IGF1. Just Google their name and look for reviews. Sometimes bodybuilders will test these sites peptides to see if they're legit.

I wonder how many guys that didn't gain were using fake igf-1 or under dosed igf-1.

Technically ester does effect potency for testosterone, as it plays a role in the total molecular weight. For testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/mL, it's equal to about 180mg of free testosterone, that leaves 70mg of total weight dedicated to the ester. Testosterone cypionate would technically be less potent at the same dose/compound due to the fact that the ester contains 1 more carbon atom, and therefore taking up a larger percentage of total weight.

EDIT: This is a measurable difference, however not too significant. Now I go...

As far as peptides go, I've been using Manpower Nutrition for about a year, and of the things I have tried, it has been legit.

Ranging from Isotretinoin, Sildenafil Citrate, Exemestane, Anastrozole, Cabergoline, IGF-1 LR3, and Clenbuterol. It's mpresearchsupply.com.

They also have IGF-1 DES and GHRP-2 and GHRP-6, which I have heard second hand accounts of success when combined with their other peptides like IGF-1 and CJC-1295 W/ DAC.

However, there's a ton of conflicting information and empirical evidence and research out there in regards to peptides and their combination with other drugs. Sooooooo, don't go crazy and read read read as much as you can. These days I try and stay as natural as possible.

sizerp;496289 said:

Technically ester does effect potency for testosterone, as it plays a role in the total molecular weight. For testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/mL, it's equal to about 180mg of free testosterone, that leaves 70mg of total weight dedicated to the ester. Testosterone cypionate would technically be less potent at the same dose/compound due to the fact that the ester contains 1 more carbon atom, and therefore taking up a larger percentage of total weight.

EDIT: This is a measurable difference, however not too significant. Now I go...

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who was talking about potency of testosterone because they have an ester attached? i was tailing about clearance times of esters so I'm not sure if that was directed at me?

i just talked to a guy i know who used to own a peptide company and he said the acetic acid is there just to keep it stable. and with out it the peptide is worthless in 24 to 48 hr. that way i was saying just find some raw igf1 it will be cheaper since you are only using it for spot injecting. as for the good peptide companies most of these place get there peptides from china i think there are 2 that don't they get it from a US manufacture. so if you are going to do research work on your rats i like greatwhitepeptide.com keeps my rats growing, but remember peptides are only legal if you are using the for research so don't ask the companies any questions as they would by law have to refuse to sell to you.

diesel225;495295 said:

your right king but they are confusing reg ig1 and the igf-lr3 the lr3 part of this is what they bonded to the igf1 to increase total life of the peptide form 20 min to 12 hr the reason for this is it is used by bodybuilders and the reg igf1 20 min life span was insufficient. most users claim more growth to the muscle it is injected in but technically it doesn't matte were you stick the lr3 as plasma levels are increased.


its like test enenthate or test cyp they are both are testosterone no difference at all the difference is the ester test has a half life of like an hr in the body but drug companies need viable so they add these esters on to the testosterone the difference in cyp and enenehthate if clearance time

cyp 12 days for total clearance peak plasma levels in 6 day this is called the half life.
enenthate 7 days 3.5 for peak plasma levels

my main objection to injecting it was due to the acetic acid not the igf1. if you are just using the ba water then i think it would be helpful and would cause hyperplasia. if your looking for just straight igf1 it will cost a lot less and may since you are only looking for the short duration and site specific work be the best choice. another one you might think of as even better is DES IGF1 it is short duration and is 1000 stronger then reg ifg1 but agin I'm not sure as the penis is not muscle and might not effect it like it does muscle mass.

im not sure if this would help but this is how bodybuilders use the igf1 r3 protocol they use mgf first then 15 min later inject igf1 in the same muscle group. the reason for this is mgf is like a cell activator and in the igf family but like most peptides they they are opposing so they can not be in the same place at the same time. then you induce the igf1 and it builds on the work the mgf did. I'm not sure if this would help in the penis but i thought i would mention it. maybe someone would try it.

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It was in response to this post.

Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.

Testosterone Cypionate Profile

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.

Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.

Just a warning on IGF1. When a cell divides it goes through a process where it checks for errors that could possibly lead to cancer. If however it is pushed to divide again after having only just divided it won't have a chance to check for these errors. This is what IGF1 does. The following is taken from the IGF1 page on wikipedia:
"Contribution to ageing

It is now widely accepted that signaling through the insulin/IGF-1-like receptor pathway is a significant contributor to the biological aging process in many organisms. This avenue of research first achieved prominence with the work of Cynthia Kenyon, who showed that mutations in the daf-2 gene could double the lifespan of the roundworm C. elegans.[9] daf-2 encodes the worm's unified insulin/IGF-1-like receptor.
Insulin/IGF-1-like signaling is conserved from worms to humans. In vitro experiments show that mutations that reduce insulin/IGF-1 signaling have been shown to decelerate the degenerative aging process and extend lifespan in a wide range of organisms, including Drosophila melanogaster, mice,[10] and possibly humans.[11][12][13][14] Reduced IGF-1 signaling is also thought to contribute to the "anti-aging" effects of Calorie restriction.[15]
Nevertheless the situation in vivo is evidently different, Anabolic deficiency in men with chronic heart failure is prevalent and could have an associated detrimental impact on survival. Deficiency of anabolic hormones identifies groups with a higher mortality.[16][17]"

I've been thinking about this and I think that using IGF1 could be made safer if used only every other day. That way you have increased cell division but you give your cells a day off to check for errors.

My other worry is that IGF1 will lead to a thickening of the tunica as well as an increase in size of the CC. I would guess that this would be desirable at the end of one's Penis Enlargement career but not at the beginning as it would make it harder to stretch the tunica. If done at the end it could lead to better EQ if it increases the size of the CC in proportion to the tunica.

sizerp;496335 said:

Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.

Testosterone Cypionate Profile

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.

Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.

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lets see your comp pics then ill post mine. lol you know nothing about me who i am or what i do for a living. i just check this thread since i haven't been on this one in a bit. i have seen different clearance times on other sites but again i wasn't taking about this my whole point on esters and igf1 long acting one i systemic and needs acetic acid to stay stable. i just suggested not to use acetic acid in your cock. i was also only saying to use raw igf1 would be better for site injection, but if you want to be a prick about stuff i would love to see your body building pics I'm sure your probably one of those guy who post shit but don't compete or if they do never win shit i put my info to real world action. View attachment 26296View attachment 26297

here are a few more for because I'm uniformed on how to use anabolic steroids and I'm dumbing down the thread.View attachment 26298View attachment 26299View attachment 26300

The last pic was from my first npc show heart of texas at 174 lb were i won first and overall.
The other pics are from the npc national qualifier, the continental USA were i again won first place i also won the npc red river first light heavy weight national qualifier just incase people on here think i don't know how to put real world information in to action i just don't copy and paste shit off a site. the post i put down was off the top of my head and it was referring to the difference between long acting igf1 r3 that was not needed and to use just regular igf1 with regular sterile water i was just looking out for guys on here and advised a safe cheaper solution that would be as effective thats all but if this ass wants to stick acetic acid in his dick go right a head.

lol no one calls me by my name eric, the name just stuck since the first fast and furious. I'm not trying to brag with the pics but there is always some prick who has to act like a know it all. I'm thinking of competing in masters class this summer since I'm turning 39 in july.

i was just concerned that some one would injure them selfs with the acetic acid. I'm also interested in chem pe but ill wait to inject my penis till i get some more info on the subject. so if anyone took it the wrong way it wasn't how i meant it and was just offering more cost effective stuff.

sizerp;496335 said:

Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.

Testosterone Cypionate Profile

17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.

Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.

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just to be a dick cause i can. this is what i said in my post
"cyp 12 days for total clearance peak plasma levels in 6 day this is called the half life.
enenthate 7 days 3.5 for peak plasma levels"

you see i said the half life was 6 days not 12 i said full active life is 12 days were did i get that number from well lets see.

you can look at the roid calculator


The Roid Calculator calculates the estimated blood level of different steroids, using half-lifes. The half-life is simply the time when 100 active milligrams breaks down to 50 active milligrams, to 25 active milligrams, and so on. The half-life may come after a few days, or a few hours, depending on the drug. You can use it to see how much active medicines you really have in your blood. Please remember that the results are only approximate. The half-lifes used below is based on several scientific studies.
Most of these studies used the glutes as injection site, if you inject in the delta muscle you will have much longer half-lives, try doubling all half-lives.

I have included a - 5% waste factor, because we dont live in a perfect world, and there will always be a little bit of loss when you inject steroids. On the orals I have included a -10% waste factor.
Here is the half-lifes, you can change the values if you want:

Testosterone propionate 2 days
Testosterone phenyl propionate 3 days
Testosterone isocaproate 4 days
Testosterone decanoate 7 days
Testosterone cypionate 6 days
Testosterone entantate 5 days
Nandrolone decanoate 7 days
Drostanolonom propionate 2 days
Metenolon enantate 5 days
Boldenone undecylenate 7 days

these are the numbers he has already punched in these are the half lives so if 6 is the half life then 12 is the full life.

1.so one you got my post wrong who is dumbing the thread down.
2. if you notice it say in his post it says this Detection Time: 3 months why 3 months well if you look at more into the cyp total clearance time you find 24 days to be the total active life but there is another strange thing about cyp we had not mentioned.

what type of half life we are talking about. here is a post from a mod on a board relating to this issue as i can copy and past as well.

The confusion comes from the fact that there are 2 types of half-life used in pharmacology, plasma and elimination half life.
Most people go by the elimination half-life, which is really comparable to the active life.
Besides, half life doesn't really matter with drugs. It is the active life that you should worry about.
In the case of Test C, just go with 2 weeks to be safe. Half life is basically just half of the active life (since we are not dealing with radioactive isotopes, but esterfied hormones which are broken down differently).
so you see 12-14 days is not incorrect for the active life and the half life 6-7 day

another site that went more into this explains that peak cyp happens around 48 hr then stay steady till about 12 days and that is were i got the active life of 12 days from and the half at 6 but even that was kind of wrong as peak plasma happens around 48 hrs like i said. but after 12 days there is a sever drop in blood plasmas levels causing it to be almost not noticeable but stays active for a total of 24 days but detectable for up to 3 months.

on top of all of this my comment about cyp and enenthate or raw test was a comparison to igf1 lr3 and just raw igf1 and how the use of that raw igf1 would be cheaper and a better choice as you don't need the long acting one nor should you inject you penis with acetic acid to get the effects of lr3.

you my friend are an ass so please stop posting as you are dumbing down the thread.

holy shit i just noticed another flaw in your post as when i read it i must had fixed it in my head.

you said
"The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days,(which i never said you had it reversed i said half life was 6 days) it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days."
because you read active life from the copy and paste,

except you can't have a half life of double the active life i.e. half life is describing half of the active life of the compound. this was a misprint on steroidology site you got it off. wow sorry to hijack the thread I'm done i this kid just pissed me off. i will not post again on this topic.

That's fine, I would be just as upset if someone were to get on here and try to say smoking freebase from a copper stem is superior than on a popcan with ashes.

lol

Hi King,

I have PM you earlier this week about few Question that I have, I have some DES that i got for ERGO with Sterile water. Any Idea on how to reconsitute and dosage to inject? I have seen in some thread you did a cycle with DES. Any help will be much appreciated as I am taking the plunge this week.

kingsnake;494964 said:

Hey fellas. I've kept this to myself but for the last couple of weeks I've been studing up on IGF -1 LR3, better known as Insulin-like Growth Factor Long R3.

Bodybuilders have been using this stuff for a hot minute now to cause hyperplasia incourage cellular divison in there skeletal muscles. I have come across various bodybuilding sites and even Penis Enlargement sites where members have been injecting with IGF directly into there CC and reporting girth gains weeks to months after.

From the studies I've read to keep the IGF locally in the penis to attached to recepter sites, one has to use a cock ring or clamp for 10 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in the penis and has time to bind to available receptors in the CC and not go systemic. A couple of members have said that after a couple of weeks of using IGF they can feel there CCs expanding and pushing against the tunica since the tunica has not yet grown to accomidate the newly grown CC inside. They call it the stuffed sausage feeling. Some members even said that the continued pressure of the CC against the tunica eventually caused the tunica to expand as well to releave the pressure.

The protocal is to first apply some form of stress to the penis like stretching, hanging or girth work to stimulate a growth/healing response. After the penis has been properly worked then you would work up to a semi erection and clamp it off with a constriction device then you would inject 10 to 20mcgs of IGF into the CC and leave it clamped off for 15 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in your penis and has time to attached to receptors and start the growth/ cell division process.

Members from other Penis Enlargement sites have been reporting huge girth gains from this protocal after weeks to a couple of months of taking it. One particular member from Penis Enlargementgym named stagestop has reported a 1.5 inch gain in girth from a little over a year of taking IGF. One good thing about IGF is you can order it off the web and it doesn't require a priscription. Im thinking about getting some but before I do, I would like to share information about IGF with members here that have more experiance with it.

One thing that worries me about it is if IGF stimulates celluar divison in smooth muscle, skeletical muscle, and soft tissue then could this also stimulate cell division in other organs like the heart and cause problems if it goes systemic.

I remember a long time ago Supra was experimenting with IGF but I never found out what results he had with it. Let's research this chemical guys and discuss the potential with IGF.

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King, I tried Igf-lr3 with Pge for quite a while and didn't notice any difference from when I used just the Pge, I have a theory why but I'll spare everyone! Singuy, I don't think ergo is 100% legit, I know king said he gets some of his stuff from there but I've gotten things from there that have not been legit or severely under-dosed at best. King, where did you find pge for $50? Was it legit?