JFK Assassination.....

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This month marks the 40th Anniversary of the Assassination of John F. Kennedy.

I was wondering what are your thoughts of the murder.

Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone?

Do you believe the "magic bullet" theory?

Was there a conspiracy and cover-up?

I am convinced 100% w/o a doubt that Kennedy was NOt killed by one man. And that there was a conspiracy. Its illogical, and almost physically impossible.

The notion of a "magic" bullet that made 6 wounds and then found in almost perfect condition. Thats insane.

I dont really want that much of a debate, just say whats your stance and maybe why. 80% of Americans think that there was a conspiracy, and many lost faith in democracy when the Warren Commission came out. So what do you think?
 
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I think credible study after credible study has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that a single bullet was fired from the sixth floor book depository, entered JFK's neck from behind, exited from his neck up front, hit Connally in the back, exited near his nipple, deflected in to his wrist and then injured his leg.

See the image: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt-faa.jpg

Analysis of the film shows they were in perfect alignment for the wounds and that they both reacted simultaneously to the same shot.

Test firings of the same type bullets have shown that they can indeed survive in relatively pristine shape. The JFK/Connally bullet is actually flattened -- but conspiracy books never show it end on.

See the image: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ce399.gif

Most of the conspiracy nonsense is debunked here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
 
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Okay, well there has been credible study after more than credible study done that it couldnt of happened.

Plus so many people have identified that hole in the neck an entrance hole throught that went through the windshield. The car was cleaned and rebuilt from the frame up immediatly after so people couldnt do forensics analysis. Everything was replaced. Which is not by the book and actually illegal.

You are obviously in the minority of what most Americans believe. And I think they believe in common sense.

Oh and the governent or whoever, has edited the Abraham Zapruder film to best fit their evidence and Warren Commission. The film shows the limo never slowing down or stopping. When in actually did.
 

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Originally posted by bobbdobbs
I think credible study after credible study has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that a single bullet was fired from the sixth floor book depository, entered JFK's neck from behind, exited from his neck up front, hit Connally in the back, exited near his nipple, deflected in to his wrist and then injured his leg.
I agree. As far as being in the minority of American opinion-Oh well,that's to be expected;especially in this age of relativism.
 
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Originally posted by NeXus
The car was ... rebuilt from the frame up immediatly after so people couldnt do forensics analysis. Everything was replaced.

... and the governent or whoever, has edited the Abraham Zapruder film to best fit their evidence and Warren Commission.
Err, oh, okay ... err, moving right along ...
 
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Originally posted by NeXus
Loss fer words?
Yes, actually.

Since you assert that the unseen conspirators have modified all known evidence, it sort of makes talking about any evidence pointless.

When one deals with conspiracy kookology, you learn pretty quickly that those who cry "conspiracy" at every turn are not really interested in analyzing the evidence -- but, rather, in advancing their ideological agenda.

Your agenda is pretty clearly anti-government (right wing government) so there is no benefit in it for you to waste your time finding the real truth to the mystery. So when confronted with contrary evidence and findings -- you'll just wave it off as the product of a vast conspiracy.

The best part is -- you don't need any proof -- you'll just say the conspiracy is so vast that such proof has been covered up.

Conspiracy kookology therefore is circular and pointless to debate.
 
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Dobbs, that pic you linked with the "magic" bullet being flat is of the butt-end of the bullet; the end next to the powder in the cartridge, and that end is always flat on any bullet. If you look at the whole bullet, it looks pretty damned good (nearly pristine) considering it went through Kennedy, through the seat, through Connally's ribs, thorugh his wirst (breaking 7 bones there), and into his thigh. The real "magic" to me is that fell out of his leg on the stretcher. Keep in mind the bullet was found on the stretcher they carried him into the hospital on, while he still had his clothes on. How did it fall back out of his leg and back out the hole in his pants(!) when it went in through the top of his thigh? It's lucky for conspiracy buffs that some secret service agent found it just lying there while Connally was in the ER, instead of the doctors having to cut it out of his leg. Does anyone know if there was even any blood on the bullet? I've always wondered this but never heard. Surely if it stopped in his leg it would have had blood on it when it "fell out."

Also, if Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet doing all of the damage attributed to it, how come Connally is still moving around with his cowboy hat in his right hand after Kennedy is clutching his throat? I promise you that if you're shot through the wrist, breaking seven bones, you are going to drop whatever you may be holding (kinda like Connally did a couple of seconds later).

There are so many conflicting accounts of what happened that day, and the physical evidence can be manipulated to support any theory you like. Of course it would be harder to manipulate the evidene if most of it hadn't mysteriously disappeared. Anyway, I don't know what to think; both theories (conspiracy/LHO acting alone could be possible)... I'm yet to see anything to convince me absolutely either way.
 
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My "agenda", is asking serious questions about the country I was born in, which affects everyone. My agenda is makin my dick bigger. Which is working thanx to DLD.

For you to say that this nothing more than a "cry" of conspiracy, is so ignorant, its almost funny. But sad in a way.....

There was a good Cosner quote in JFK, I think it was "let thy truth be done, though thy heavens fall". I think its a good way to look at politics and life.

Be more cynical, and be more skeptical.

Dont be a sheep, be a wolf.
 
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Originally posted by Texan
Also, if Kennedy and Connally were hit by the same bullet doing all of the damage attributed to it, how come Connally is still moving around with his cowboy hat in his right hand after Kennedy is clutching his throat? I promise you that if you're shot through the wrist, breaking seven bones, you are going to drop whatever you may be holding (kinda like Connally did a couple of seconds later).
According to Nellie Connally, Gov Connally held on to his hat all the way to the hospital -- unless you are alleging he wasn't shot until they got to Parkland Hospital.

All this conspriacy junk has been soundly debunked. You can find refutations of it all at the site I listed above.
 
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I think we need to drop Kennedy's assasination and forget it already. Its been forty years, let it go already. All the news papers and television shows were broadcasting the Kennedy stuff when they could be reporting about how Islamic terrorist blew up another bus in Israel or Iraq.
 

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"I think we need to drop Kennedy's assasination and forget it already. Its been forty years, let it go already."

Yeah, that and the death of Jesus Christ. That was over two thousand years ago! Why don't we just let it go already?
 
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Please, this whole idea of a coverup started off from the minds of paranoid americans.
"Magic Bullet Therory", Never heard anything so stupid, a bullet cant defy the laws of physics, in fact it is almost certain that they found out the driver of the cars seat was Lower than the seat JFK was sitting in and both were sitting at different angles (body's in different Directions), which would indeed prove that the gun fire came from one window and one place only, being an Ex-Marine he had pleanty of time to make such well defined shots and if i remember correctly 80 yards? the distance was, which is nothing for a man who can hit a target perfectly 200 yards away he had lots of time to perfect his shooting.
You only have to see Lee Harvey oswald didnt live a normal life, and was greatly fond of the soviet union.
In my theory he was simply assinated by oswald in order to get his name down in the history books, after all else had failed him.
Based on Some Good and recent Documentary i watched i can easily conclude there was no consipracy this is my thoughts only
Conspiracy was simply cooked up by paranoid americans IMHO.
Oliver Stones movie was aload of crap, the evidence is totally cirumstantial and just gets peoples minds thinking about silly things, stick to the facts there is eveidence to support a more logical explanation.
I may of said some points slightly of fact im not comparing this to raw factual information in front of me rather than whats off the top of my head through reading and learning about this some time ago :)
Bottom line Oswald did it end of.
 
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Yeah, that and the death of Jesus Christ. That was over two thousand years ago! Why don't we just let it go already?
the difference between the two is far too great to be expressed with sarcasm. Jesus is the figure head of one of the three great monotheisitic religions, which I'm sure you knew. JFK is just a president which all the liberal democrats have trouble letting go with, you can't compare the two.
 
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The fact is that the majority of Americans think there are unanswered questions about the motives and the killer of John F. Kennedy. Many of those include university professors, historians, news anchors, news commentators, senators, congressmen and any other number of highly educated and prestigous people.

Theres been numerous factual books written about foul play and conspiracy regarding the JFK assassination. So for you to dismiss facts and evidence by saying its just a few paranoid Americans, is just plain stupid.
 
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Oswald did it alone.

you guys see the chapelle show when dave was playing the president. He said Oswald did it alone with the magic bullet. The bullet was actually magic, we've know about magic for some time now.
 
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If someone ever finds out who did it, will anyone even care anymore? It's in the past and people dwell to heavily on it. Don't we have other things we could concern ourselves with other than a 40 year-old assination?
 

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One way or another, JFK got iced.

I wonder who's next.
 
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if there was infact a government conspiracy to assassinate the President , that means we live in a fascist nation. Think about, that means you can be publicy killed for your beliefs. If they can kill the president, they can kill us.
 
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