If Re-Elected Bush plans to initiate draft in 2k5??

1. A draft is highly, highly unlikely.

2. We do take our freedoms for granted, but this doesn't justify a draft. Supra, for instance, enjoys his job by all description and is not made to do anything for our benefit. Firefighters and policeman keep you safe within your own country, free from the despotism of fire and crime. Do you feel service in those organizations should be manditory?

3. Bush is a terrible president. He's a mediocre man with very, very limited intellectual abilities. Nobody can make a convincing argument that he isn't the president, or has achieved anything for that matter, on the strength of his own ability rather than his name. He also dodged Vietnam in a very cowardly fashion for those of you so enthused about all things martial.

4. Somebody commented that the last democrat in office dismantled the military. Hmmm, this same military that we used to invade Iraq and Afghanistan so effectively? The army that allowed us to conquer a region in a few weeks that the Russians couldn't control in a decade of bloody combat? The most advanced, pwoerful, mobile military in the world? This is Clinton's army we're fighting with right now, not Bush's or Reagan's, and military experts and generals, from the elft and right, praised Clinton up and down for his bolstering and development of the armed forces. The concept that liberals are militarily weak and won't protect their country is just childish conservative propaganda.

5. For the last time, Iraq was not a major center of international terrorism and Hussein's government was not a terrorist booster. By all accounts it has some of the lowest concentrations of terrorists in that entire region of the world. And that little cannister of sarin gas shot out was estimated to be about a decade old and likely recovered from some ancient ammo dump by insurgents. So far as the outsourced terrorists, I haven't even heard of this yet, but it's no secret Iraq had a full scale weapons program for years. Did they recently? After turning the country upside down searching, conducting tens of thousands of interviews, and confiscating nearly every available government PC, we can't find a shred of evidence to credibly support the claim. Open your eyes people . . .

6. Boiling down the politics and horrors of the Balkans to a just a few thousand bodies of mixed ethnicities in holes (inaccurate statement by the way) is wrong for a lot of reasons, and it completely factors out the international and domestic political climates of the time. Do yourself a favor and pick up a book on the history fo the Balkans and see how you feel. Additionally, we contributed to UN operations in the area and conducted a bombing campaign to depose a dictator. We didn't fly our flags under some kind of bizarre and constantly shifting 'manifest destiny' style agenda and invade the country. Totally different scenarios, not valid for comparison in the slightest. Comparing Bush's foreign policy to Clinton's is like holding a candle next to a spotting light. One is far-reaching, practical, and effective; the other is old-fashioned, a bit dim, and if you take it too far out of it's prescribed element it's disappears and you're left in the dark.

Regardless of what you think the draft will happen. I know because I use to work for the Government. Do not believe the hype. It will get worst before it gets better. I am not looking forward to fighting in a war without a purpose. Death and destruction are not my cup of tea at all.

I am just going to stay prayful.

There was a Demmy Senator, I think it was Charlie Rangel(sp?). He's that older black guy that fought in Korea and has a really raspy voice. I think he's retiring soon. But anyway, he says he's supporting legislation to institue the draft.

The reason he gave is so that kids from all social classes and wealth, would be more evenly distributed. He said that the financial benefits of joining the military arent that huge, and many poor kids sign up for the Reserves or Nat. Guad to help pay for college or etc.

There will definatley be no draft or even talks before the election by Bush. Kerry wants to increase the size of military by some 400,000. I also saw something on the news that the new Iraq Interim Gov. might have a date when Iraq could tell US Military to leave if they want. But not sure.

The underline factor in Iraq and the whole War on Terror in general, is that Bush can never win the respect, hearts, minds, trust, etc. of regular Arabs. Arabs see the hypocrisy of how the Suadi's say they are our allies, but the Royal family dosent stop the schools that teach their kids to hate America. The Bush-Suadia connection is too deep and Arabs are too cynical of this entire Administration in every aspect. They think Bush and America is really after oil. We need a new person and start fresh.

Oil, What oil.....I thought Bush went in there to help out all those poor innocent Arabs...lol

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Clinton was one ass-kickin Pussy poundin Prez....Period

What Clinton lacked in "morals" he more then made up for in his ability to govern our country. I'd gladly elect an adulterous, power-abusing man who knows how to do a good job in the White House than a imbecilic, inept boob who's only capable of forming a complete sentence thanks to his crack team of writers.

Ok fine have the draft but answer me this question u think any of bush's family will be in that? ALso supra ur right everybody takes freedom for granted but don't say that u have to be in the military to serve your country in less than a year i will be a cop and that is serving my country. My mom is a nurse and thats serving our country, doctors, vets, fireman, etc all serve their country I salute u for being a marine and i have quite a few friends that have been to desert storm, and lately IRAQ and i have the most respect for all of the military personall. In my opinion if the draft does happen than there should be no exceptions if i go i wanna c a bush, or kerry, or celebraties fighting next to me also.

Those of you that believe the retoric put out by Clinton (both of them), Kerry and he rest of the Ted Kennedy following, must also believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny. If you can't stand on your own two feet don't expect the Democrats to get ME to support you. If they all promise you something for nothing, somebody has to pay. ALL money comes from none other than taxpayers. There ain't no such animal as "Federal" or "State" money.

Its funny you say that Levitra b/c Bush is robbing the Federal Treasury (our money) and handing it out by the $100,000 to millionaires and other people who dont even need it.

Casey, I see you are just another person that believes the Liberal package of retoric. You must be one of those that expects the goverment to hold your hand. If you are refering to the "Tax Cuts" those "millionaires" have been and still are carrying the tax load of this country. By the way I am NOT a millionare. I live on a small pension and meager Social Security. I have had ONE 3 % increase in my pension in 14 years and Social Security increases that are more than taken back by Medicare increases.
The democrats are the ones that say that Bush is going to take away S.S. but it has been Democrats that have repeatedly taken it back through devious and obvious ways every time!

Casey, I apologize! I got a burr under my saddle, and spouted off before thinking. I'd have deleted the post, but don't know how.

Oh yeah, your right, millionaires shouldnt pay any taxes. Its those fuckin middle income scHydromaxucks that are dragging the heels of America.

Gee there's a reason why they pay more taxes, They're fuckin MILLIONAIRES. When you see a middle income soldier who sacrificies to thier country and dies, tell me what the fuck the Rich have had to sacrifice?

We ALL should make sacrifices if we're going to win wars. You make taxes during wartime, you dont cut them. Dont tax and spend is a recipe for fiscal disaster. He's robbing the treasury.

If anybody is interested, over the last two decades the GOP has wildy outspend democrats and Bush has NEVER vetoed a spending bill. Financially Bush is reckless to the point of absurdity. Conservative and liberal analysts predict that the GOP created and supported policies currently in place will bankrupt social security before the baby-boomers have all passed. Kerry is much more financially hawkish than Bush, his voting record proves it. Liberals believe in putting money back into communities and distributing wealth in order to bolster the country as a whole.

The new right spends excessively on corporate welfare and defense projects while underfunding social programs. This allows communities to degrade and crime to rise, in the end just costing taxpayers more to control social problems. Under Bush, wealthy taxpayers are essentially getting a free ride. Many people are easily bought off by a flimsy tax refund, but in order to provide this Bush wrecked the budget, which had been operating at a record surplus under Clinton. Look at the facts before you blindly devote yourself to a politician or group. And by look at the facts I mean read statisitcs, books, and news reports, not listen to talk radio or the guys around the water cooler. Too often we formulate out politics based on hearsay from our peers as well as skewed and sometimes downright wrong half-facts from infotanement style broadcasts.

The economy is starting to really pick up pace, but it only really shows on the Stock Market. The jobs lost during Bush were $40K per year, and now the jobs being created are lower level jobs average about $28K per year.

Bush's economic policies are soley geared to the upper invester class. We're the proles.

Supra said:

I hope he does re enstate the draft, the the military needs a boost. Its ridiculous that we dont have a mandatory military for 2 -4 years for everyone, our military is way to small. This nation is only here casue of the military and its citizins dont even want to join, they just want to rep the benifits of freedom. Freedom comes with a price that people like me and others have to pay

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"The most fundamental objection to draft registration is moral," President Reagan once said. "[A] draft or draft registration destroys the very values that our society is committed to defending."

Casey said:

The economy is starting to really pick up pace, but it only really shows on the Stock Market. The jobs lost during Bush were $40K per year, and now the jobs being created are lower level jobs average about $28K per year.

Bush's economic policies are soley geared to the upper invester class. We're the proles.

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Established jobs always pay more than newly created ones. It only makes sense that when a company cuts a position the person holding that job is making more than a new hire.

Also, Bush isn't telling companies what to pay people. If Bush is giving so much money to corporations, as liberals claim, then why are liberals blaming him when the corps don't pay as much...according to the liberal theory Bush should be facilitiating higher starting pays by lowering operating costs for businesses.

The economy works in cycles. It always has. I don't blame Clinton any more for the recession that started well before he left office than I credit Bush for the current economic growth. Of course I believe their policies facilitated these trends, but their policies didn't cause these trends.

Texan said:

Established jobs always pay more than newly created ones. It only makes sense that when a company cuts a position the person holding that job is making more than a new hire.

Also, Bush isn't telling companies what to pay people. If Bush is giving so much money to corporations, as liberals claim, then why are liberals blaming him when the corps don't pay as much...according to the liberal theory Bush should be facilitiating higher starting pays by lowering operating costs for businesses.

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That first quote dosent even really make sense b/c companies arent cutting jobs, and then hiring people for different jobs. Many of these jobs are created, mostly in the service sector, as opposed to the manufacturing sector where most the jobs were lost.

The second quote makes no sense either. Bush is handing out irresponsible tax cuts, and further cutting corporate taxes and regulations. To be fair, Kerry is proposing cutting the corporate tax rate. Which would be fair, but you must make sure these corporations arent cheating the govt by paying little or no taxes. By offshore banking for instance.

Also inflation is about to go way up, so that will really hurt the current economic growth.

Casey said:

The second quote makes no sense either. Bush is handing out irresponsible tax cuts, and further cutting corporate taxes and regulations. To be fair, Kerry is proposing cutting the corporate tax rate. Which would be fair, but you must make sure these corporations arent cheating the govt by paying little or no taxes. By offshore banking for instance.

Also inflation is about to go way up, so that will really hurt the current economic growth.

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WELFARE is a handout. A Tax cut is not. A Tax cut is just returning money that was already yours to begin with. Its the government saying " We will confiscate less from you than we previously did."

also: BUSINESS DOES NOT PAY TAXES and never has nor should. The end user pays all taxes. Penis EnlargementRIOD. Raising business taxes raise prices ( as do things like raising minimum wage to absurd levels). Lowering corporate taxes is generally good for consumers. Anyone who doesnt understand this is a victim of anti-conceptual propaganda.

While there is much solid theory supporting the benefits of a libertarian-style market system, the realities of operating such for a country like the US are something to reconcile. Whatever might work best, in an ideal world, is not so hard to just establish in the midst of the real world, and so we work with what is already in effect. Plus, don't forget that marxism and any number of other things look fully functional on paper, but I think nearly anybody would agree that economics is highly unpredictable and imprecise due to the human aspect of all data, hence the proliferation of different opinions.

To the fellow who insists that government subsidation of corporations ought to spur them into giving their employees higher salaries, I'll just take it for granted you don't work in the corporate world my friend. The goal is to make money, not balance society by giving back what fair regulation has endowed your firm with . . . I would love to hear somebody sit in a board room and say "you know lads, let's take the profits we'll report this quarter, that we've recieved from massive kickbacks and deregulation, and just up teh salary of all our lower tiered employees a bit eh?" Government and industry support each other to mutally insure their effectiveness and survival, it's called the industrial military complex. It exists all over the world and any politician will readily admit to the relationship as such. Government and business are mortally tied in the US, just as they were intended to be. Our economics have always had a streak of socialism, and the welfare goes both ways. It's the oil in our society's engine.

Three cheers for BIGBUTNOTOO, you hit the nail on the head. The ONLY person that ends up paying ALL taxes is the consumer! As far as recessions or recovery, it all happens in spite of government not because of it. ScHydromaxucks blame government because they can't blame themselves. Every time a person buys a product from a company that is forgein, they make a contribution to that forgein company even if they think it's OK because the product is assembled in this country. The profit still leaves the country. Think about it the next time you lose your job. YOU HELPenis EnlargementD MAKE IT HAPPenis EnlargementN!!!

CEO's and etc. salaries should be capped. Fuck them and their million dollar Christmas bonuses and hiding all their money in the Caymen Islands just to fuck Unky Sam. True patriots pay US taxes.

Oh and Fuck Tax Shelters, thats where companies lower their quarterly profits by hiding money in legal tax shelters (approved by dicks in Congress) and avoid taxes.

In Bush's America, the burden of Tax is being further shifted on the working middle income class, and taken off the wealthy investor class. Thats a fact, and you can bitch all you want about consumer prices, b/c I'd rather pay 5 cents more for shit at Wal-Mart if it means the rich dont just get richer and poor get poorer.

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