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Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.

College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
shelter and includes women in the draft.

The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!

Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.


The link can be found here: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg
 
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This news is so incredibly frightening it is unreal. If Bush is re-elected, America will become a dictatorship! I urge everyone here to cut and paste this article into an email and forward it to everyone they know. This "war on terrorism" is nothing but a manufactured conflict to distract the American public while our rights are stripped from us and those in power get themselves fat off blood and oil.
 
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Come on guys. Don't you think that if that were real SENATOR Kerry would know about it and be screaming it from the top of every mountain in his campaign for President? Not mention Teddy Kennedy, and his band of merry leftists...Feinstein, Kerry, Schumaker, etc...oops I already mentioned Kerry.

Bush agitates me too, but we can't believe everything we read on the internet.
 
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I heard about it a while ago.........crazy, women and students are eligible.
 
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Come on guys. Don't you think that if that were real SENATOR Kerry would know about it and be screaming it from the top of every mountain in his campaign for President? Not mention Teddy Kennedy, and his band of merry leftists...Feinstein, Kerry, Schumaker, etc...oops I already mentioned Kerry.

Bush agitates me too, but we can't believe everything we read on the internet.
Oh my god, you're one of THEM! :O
 

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Texan is part of the conspiracy!! Hes helping bush!
 
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I think that site, Congress.org, is an official government website. But that arcticle is not an arcticle put out by the website. It was put out in the user opinion section called "Soapbox". But nevertheless, it's quite possible.

I heard Kerry say in a speech that we wants to re design the military and expand the army by some 50,000(?) troops. He also wants the Nat. Guard and Reserves to fuckin actually guard the nation and have some reserve troops to protect the homeland. Which is what they are there for in the first place.

I also saw this on the site, and it makes me chuckle everytime. Under Prez Bush's bio it sayz, Birthplace: New Haven, CT

Its hilarious how everybody thinks Bush is some Texan, Rancher average kinda guy, but he was born in the "liberal" Northeast and went to Yale, just like John Kerry.

Whaddya think Texan, do most people in Texas think Bush is a native? or vote for him b/c he talks like a Southerner?
 
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Whaddya think Texan, do most people in Texas think Bush is a native? or vote for him b/c he talks like a Southerner?
To be honest with you, there are a lot of Texans who really believe he's a Texan; I know better. Keep in mind that Bush was VERY popular as Governor here. His "good ol' boy" appeal comes off just as thick or thicker in person as it does on TV. I think a lot of people here are still supporting Governor Bush, as oppsed to President Bush. Hell, a lot of people think his dad is a Texan. Actually I had to explain to my wife a few days ago that Bush isn't really a Texan. And like I said, the guy agitates me, but I still like him better than the alternative.
 
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Texan is part of the conspiracy!! Hes helping bush!
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Oh my god, you're one of THEM! :O

lol That's funny. I'm not one of anything...I got enough to handle being a dad and a husband and trying to grow a normal size cock.
 

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I hope he does re enstate the draft, the the military needs a boost. Its ridiculous that we dont have a mandatory military for 2 -4 years for everyone, our military is way to small. This nation is only here casue of the military and its citizins dont even want to join, they just want to rep the benifits of freedom. Freedom comes with a price that people like me and others have to pay
 
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Excellent Supra. People take it for granted.
 

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Are our rights being stripped away? Yes. However, the "oil" argument is asinine. If we wanted the oil, it would have been far less trouble to just buy it illegally like the French and Russians did.

As for the military service, I don't necessarily favor a draft, but Supra makes a good point. Plus, there are other countries such as Germany that require a year of service.
 
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The pentagon and the Bush administration have repeatedly stated that they don't want the draft. The legislation is sponsered by Charles Rangel, a democrat and vitriolic Bush critic. But don't let facts get in the way of the Bush bashing.
 

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Excellent statement, Supra. Too many Americans take their freedom for granted. Too many do not want to serve their country. Too many do not understand international politics and base their opinions on a black and white world. Those people cannot imagine the depth of the decision to go in to Iraq. I support my President and believe he is doing the best job that anyone could do given the circumstances. The so-called Bush bashers are simply "bashers" and will become bashers of the next administration as well.

And the last democrat that was in office cut my Army to nothing....
 
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Twilight is correct.

The legislation is being pushed and sponsored by democrats in the Congress, and Rangel in particular. So the entire thread is predicated on a false preemise, as well as most of the earlier attacks against the administration.

I'll be curious to see how many change their comments or perceptions to reflect the new reality. But I suspect that won't be the case.
 

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The draft is not gonna happen, period.

The President and other adult members of Congress and the administration realize that the reason we have the best military in the world is because it is an all volunteer force.

Supra, great points......freedom isn't free.

BTW, for you non-Texans. Bush was popular because he was a good governor. He basically got elected because Anne Richards would not let the concealed handgun bill come up for a vote. He promised he would sign it if it came across his desk, which he did. Any guy that spends his vacation clearing mesquite brush from his ranch is a Texan in my opinion.
 
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He moved to Texas when he was just a small child. Are only those born in Texas considered Texans? Sounds more bitter than anything.
 

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The so-called Bush bashers are simply "bashers" and will become bashers of the next administration as well.
Not if it's John Kerry. Most of those people hate Bush because he is a Republican, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with consistency of policies. Remember when SpongeBill No-Pants waged war in the Balkans? We just HAD to get rid of Milosevic. He was just such a bad guy. And what did we end up finding? A couple thousand bodies in graves, which were of varying ethnicity. In Iraq, we find over 300,000 dead and this war is called illegitimate from those that did not utter a peep about Clinton's Balkan campaign. Clinton's Balkan campaign was also done unilaterally, without a UN mandate or any protest by the UN, and Milosevic was not in violation of any agreements he had signed, as Saddam was by not cooperating with inspectors. There are also reports that the civilian casualties were much higher in the Balkan campaign, though not reported by the liberal media (which did not dwell on casualties in Iraq, in all fairness). So, it's not about true moral conviction, or you would have heard far greater outrage over our campaign against Yugoslavia.

Now, we find serin gas and the British have discovered the Khadafi's scientists were 487 outsourced Iraqi scientists, cooperating on a nuclear program. Bush's actions might have saved hundreds of thousands.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one to kiss Bush's ass. In my mind, the man is a pro-life, pro-military liberal, based on the incredible amount of pandering and spending he has done. The greatest President America ever had passed away on Saturday and we'll be fortunate if we ever get another half as good. Yes, the peace weenies criticized him back then, calling him a radical cowboy. They said he was going to start WWIII by his aggressive actions towards the Soviet Union and now millions live free in Eastern Europe. The distorted view of Bush is because those neo-communists never wiped the egg off their faces, after their laughable critiques on Reagan.
 

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I just don't understand all of this hypocrisy and negativity.

We had no choice but to fight this war, other than to lay down and surrender. Iraq was a logical next choice. Saddam was a huge sponsor of int'l terrorism and had the most potent army in the Middle East. If you have to fight a bunch of thugs you always take out the toughest first. Some of the others may just give up without a fight(Libya). We have LIBERATED two countries with minimal loss of American life, tried to limit civilian casualties(we are the only ones held to this standard), our economy is better following the catastrophic loss of the Twin Towers and the Clinton recession, I just don't get it.

The Democrats these days are against everything but don't know what they are for. We better wake up and realize that we are in a fight to the death with an enemy who wants us dead for no other reason than the fact that we are alive. We cannot negotiate or placate them.

BTW, I agree there are no fiscal conservatives left, one can only hope.
 
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I have a friend who's from Sweden and for years now that has been SOP with the Swiss. When a male student turns 18 he is required to do 3 years in the military. Mandatory service or three years in prison for refusal. My friend chose prison due to his personal beliefs.

This is also pretty normal in several other European countries, which is probably where the idea comes from.
 
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