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OK, I have been doing Penis Enlargement with no breaks (aside from a few days here and there) for around 5 months now (started late October).

Anyways, my actual starting measurements were done using an envelope where I marked off the spot where my erect length was. I didn't take flaccid measurements, because well it was probably 1-2 inches. When I finally got around to buying a ruler about two months later when I started noticing results, that original measurement (which was bone pressed as best I could, but obviously not the most accurate way to measure) came out to be 5 1/4 inches. With my fat pad of about 1.5 inches at the time (varies depending on water retention), needless to say that is some pretty horrid erect length .

Anyways, right now I am 7 or 7 1/4 inches bone pressed (depending on if I measure from the side or the top). Non-Bone Pressed, by measuring from the bottom (I know this isn't the way most people measure it, but you are only going to get as much as the skin on your ballsack allows you to get in) is about 6.5 inches now. So my fat pad is significantly less, though when cycling creatine the bloating can get me another half inch in the fat pad on some days.

So I have gained roughly 2 inches in erect length in almost 5 months which is a lot more than I figured I would based on the accounts of most people here who would be happy with a one inch gain per year. My routine has never been consistent in terms of what excercises I do, rather I just use whatever I feel like doing for that day and I will usually go a few weeks at a time doing a variety of excercises and then when I get bored or else I figure out a different way of doing things through reading here or elsewhere, I will experiment with it and if I like the results I will keep doing it for a while. So what excercises have worked the best is hard to say because I have done just about all of the ones I have read about in one form or another from time to time and made up several variations of my own.

Now, these days I do hanging (for the last month) and I don't think I made any real lig gains until I started hanging , just because my hairline had not gone up much if at all previous to putting on the Bib and since I started hanging it has only been maybe a half inch in erect length gain, so the first 1.5 inches I suppose have been newbie gains. I still do lots of manual work, but have been having a problem with manual excercises lately.

My problem is that I believe my tunica is getting stronger than my arms can reasonably tug on it to get a good enough stretch . In fact, the work is so hard it messes up my lifting workouts and leaves my arms overtrained sometimes because the isometric pulling requires a lot of effort if you want to actually feel any stretch . Most of my formal stretching have been in the erect state, even though I do plenty of stretching in the flaccid state as well such as when I go to the urinal or sit on the can in the morning. I just have found that my erect gains really blossomed with erect stretching , but now I am having a problem of my penis feeling more like rope than rubber. It just takes so much effort to even feel any slight amount of stretching pain.

Also, girthwork seems to have the same issues. I can get fully pumped, but I just don't feel the same exploding internal pump I used to get. Basically, my unit even when clamped just has adapted to the stress and I am wondering how I am supposed to shock it.

As for hanging , well I am still getting a great stretch from that because I can up the weight when it starts to feel like my ligs are not getting elongated. I guess people here know the feeling that I am talking about where your ligs are spasming a little bit from a good stretch . This I feel is OK, because when trying to do the splits when I stretch my legs, this is the feeling I want to have if I want full range of motion before say playing a soccer game.


So even though I have not seen any real "plateauing" in terms of gains so far, I can tell by the feel of things that I am not really doing much with the tunica in terms of length or girth at this point, because it just takes more and more effort to make it feel stressed. So, I have been thinking about deconditioning and when I got my best gains and I am thinking of trying a new cycle in an effort to overtrain a certain section of my unit and then let it heal and decondition for two weeks. So here it goes:

Week 1 - Ligament Work. This includes hanging and plenty of follow up manual lig stretches . Goal here is to not do anything with the tunica and no girth work at all other than palms up jelqing (this seems to work a lot more on the ligs than palms down which hits the tunica) as a follow up to hanging . This week will be what is especially important for healing from girth work the week before. The goal here is to slowly build up fatigue and push the limits of pain up to the last day of the week. My ligs should be overtrained and shocked.

Week 2 - Tunica Length Work. This includes palms down jelqing, lots of manual stretching towards the belly button and various other techniques for hitting the tunica only. Generally, I will do erect stretches until fatigue sets in, and then follow up with lots of flaccid stretching . If I do the flaccid stretching first, it seems to hinder my ability to stretch when erect (kinda like the stress during a lot of flaccid stretching desensitizes my unit too much).

Week 3 - Girth, girth, and more girth. By the end of the week my penis should feel like it is going to explod and should be overtrained to the point of erections being difficult from a fatigued PC muscle (I non-stop kegel during most girth excercises). Since I will be stopping at the end of the week, I don't have to worry about taking it as easy for the next day.


Now, the main limiting factor to Penis Enlargement for most people I believe is time, and unfortunately I feel that you need to put in quality time with quality focus for hard gains whether it be in the gym or with Penis Enlargement once you are done with newbie gains and that once your body has adapted to a particular intensity, you need to increase it for future gains or else allow your tissues to decondition so as to shock your body into new growth in the future. Unfortunately, with Penis Enlargement aside from hanging , the limiting factor with intensity for tunica work is arm strength and arm endurance (who knows maybe I should try fulcrum hanging ), and with girth work the limiting factor once you get your newbie gains seems to be your ability to induce pressure inside the penis. I guess guys like RedZulu and SWM have had great success with girth work with intense clamping work and I guess due to experience they know how to push the limits, but right now I just feel like I am having problems getting my unit into a shocked state for gains with the tunica.

Anyways, not including hanging which I can do when I watch TV, I have the free-time for an hour a day to devote to Penis Enlargement, sometimes more but that depends. I used to be able to get a good exhausted workout feeling in the previous months with just a half hour to an hour of work doing length and girth combined. Now, I just don't get that feeling, rather I get the feeling when you are lifting weights and you don't get sore anymore and don't get much muscle growth even though you continue to get strength gains up to a point. Well, stronger ligaments and connective tissue I guess are nice in preventing your unit from getting broken off during intercourse, but really hypertrophy is the main goal when it comes to Penis Enlargement for most people.

So anyways, what do you all think about this cycling of work which will allow me to focus like a laser beam one week at a time into shocking one individual part of my unit (ligaments, tunica length , tunica width) which allows for a nice two week rest period in between each shock session for growth and deconditioning?

Also, what other things have some of the veterans here done in the past to break out of a plateau in the past besides of course taking a break?
 
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2 inches in 5 months? WAY to go!
 
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What almost always works for me to break through a sticking point is to change my routine. Girth work for example, because that's what I'm doing now. Let's say I've been doing clamped girth work for a couple months, gained 1/8" of erect girth...but, not seeing the same pump that I was before. This is when I will change back to a manual routine. The manual routine will be as intense as my dick can handle. I may do something like go on a twice a day split routine, where I do girth work first thing in the a.m. and then again at night, or I may just really crank up the intensity on my exercises, making sure I get the max pump during EVERY squeeze that I do. I attack girth like I hang. I do as much girth work as I can handle in a day, every day that I can do it without totally wearing out my dick. As soon as I start to see my erection quality go down....from tissue fatigue, I take a day off. I never take more than a day off when I'm on a girth attack because, breaks let the tissues toughen back up. So, taking more time off than that to me, is like taking 5 steps forward and 6 back.

I have also made "quick" gains after extended breaks. I know that wasnt really what you wanted to hear, but it's very true...for me anyway. My girth increase from 5.75" erect to 6" came VERY quickly. I had not done any girth work for several months, and then I got back into a pretty intense squeeze routine (similar to in my signature), and I literally gained that 1/4" in about a week. I woke up one morning and wrapped my grip around my morning wood and noticed that my thumb and index finger were barely touching....they usually touched closer together. Got up and measured and I had grown. Breaks and how my penis responds to them is something I dont totally understand. I dont really care to try and understand it either. Sometimes a break works great and sometimes, a break doesnt seem to do much for me.
 
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Hey thanks for the replies. I was thinking of doing a 3 day cycle of going:

Day 1 - Ligs
Day 2 - Vertical Tunica Work (Length )
Day 3 - Horizontal Tunica Work (Girth)

The thing is that there is no real deconditioning going on here.

So going for a 3 week cycle is just a number of days. There may be an optimum number of days to cycle to get the right amount of deconditioning to occur which could perhaps be more or less than 7 days at a time.

For example, I could do lig work for 4 days, vertical tunica work for 4 days, and horizontal tunica work for 4 days, or change those numbers as appropriate based upon how things feel.

The main issue with "feel" that I have is how do you know when your unit is deconditioned. I have read a bit on that and I can't seem to find any real concensus on how long you have to go before your tissues soften up enough to be able to be shocked into growth again to get those "newbie gains".
 
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my theory is that when you get bigger there are more cells to fill. using the same pressure you're used to eventually won't expand them to 110%
 
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my theory is that when you get bigger there are more cells to fill. using the same pressure you're used to eventually won't expand them to 110%
Yah but how do you add more pressure with girth work when you are already doing your best (with clamps) to get that "this is expanding so much I feel like I am going to explode" feeling. I can get that with girth work if I do clamping excercises for like 60-90 minutes straight (used to only take 10-15 minutes of high intensity), but it appears my willie has adapted to the stress and the only way to make it feel stressed is to just increase the time. Unfortunately, making my dick huge is not a profession so if I am going to spend 2 hours a day on Penis Enlargement (which is a lot), I will have to concentrate on one thing at a time because spending less than an hour on girth work doesn't give me the worked out feeling I am going for.

Also, how do you add more resistance with manual length work on the tunica (aside from fulcrum hanging which I have tried but was too painful at the time and I figure requires the perfect amount of weight to achieve results and I only have 2.5 pound plates to go up or down by), when your tunica gets tougher faster than your arms get stronger. I mean, I use 50 pound dumbbells when I do lateral raises so my shoulders are not what I would consider to be weak, but nevertheless at this rate my tunica will not even be able to be pierced by a diamond pretty soon.

Anyways, this guy at Thunders http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=33597#post33597 basically cranked up the intensity to scary levels to break out of a plateau, so I am thinking that maybe for hard gainers that you just need to shock your unit to levels it usually cannot sustain for a long period of time, and then rest it a bit, then rinse and repeat.

Not sure if anyone has done this kind of cycling here by going one week at a time (or some other extended period) of focusing like a laser beam on one particular section of the penis, but I guess it is an experiment worthy of trying.
 
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Yah but how do you add more pressure with girth work when you are already doing your best (with clamps) to get that "this is expanding so much I feel like I am going to explode" feeling. I can get that with girth work if I do clamping excercises for like 60-90 minutes straight (used to only take 10-15 minutes of high intensity), but it appears my willie has adapted to the stress and the only way to make it feel stressed is to just increase the time. Unfortunately, making my dick huge is not a profession so if I am going to spend 2 hours a day on Penis Enlargement (which is a lot), I will have to concentrate on one thing at a time because spending less than an hour on girth work doesn't give me the worked out feeling I am going for.

Also, how do you add more resistance with manual length work on the tunica (aside from fulcrum hanging which I have tried but was too painful at the time and I figure requires the perfect amount of weight to achieve results and I only have 2.5 pound plates to go up or down by), when your tunica gets tougher faster than your arms get stronger. I mean, I use 50 pound dumbbells when I do lateral raises so my shoulders are not what I would consider to be weak, but nevertheless at this rate my tunica will not even be able to be pierced by a diamond pretty soon.

Anyways, this guy at Thunders http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=33597#post33597 basically cranked up the intensity to scary levels to break out of a plateau, so I am thinking that maybe for hard gainers that you just need to shock your unit to levels it usually cannot sustain for a long period of time, and then rest it a bit, then rinse and repeat.

Not sure if anyone has done this kind of cycling here by going one week at a time (or some other extended period) of focusing like a laser beam on one particular section of the penis, but I guess it is an experiment worthy of trying.

MCTFB, I would take a break for a month if gains have stopped. Then come back with a new routine. It sounds like you are working your unit damn hard with clamp work everyday. Your penis probably needs a break to get things straightened out again.

I know you asked for alternatives without a break. The best one would be changing routine, like SWM said in my opinion. However with that I couldn't rule out overtraining.

My big plan is to take 1 month off completely every 6 months. Now I've been going for almost two months, so I've got a ways left. But in 4 more months I'm just going to take 1 month completely off. Just two weeks ago I took 5 straight days off because I was worried about overtraining. My penis actualy grew in that period.

I dont' know how the 1 week at a time idea would work, but try it! I haven't seen anyone doing that before, so if you do it and it works well, we can call it the 'MCFTB method'. At minimum then it would be an alternative to try.
 
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yea we should give the penis a nice rest once in a while so it can heal from overtraining and stuff maybe a schedule like

2 weeks in a row
6 days off

that might even be better than

5 days on
2 off
 
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All good ideas guys I seem to gain best if I take every 8th week off[7 work my ass off,1 rest], if I don't by 3 months I hit a plateau :mad: every time! <:(
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umm how long have you been testing that out?
I have not started yet so this is all theory. I have been Penis Enlargement'ing for about 5 months now with no significant breaks. 2-3 days a few times has been all that I have done, unless I am really sore and then I take a day off.

Penis Enlargement is addictive once you see your first gains rofl

I figure if I just do nonstop Penis Enlargement, but give each section of my unit a 2 week break, I should give it enough time to fully decondition which from my personal research is 9-12 days.

Also, the penis is not a muscle. Muscle tissue can usually recuperate fully after 48 hours even though the nervous system can take longer. Collagenous tissue is another story entirely.
 
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almost 2 years
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I have not started yet so this is all theory. I have been Penis Enlargement'ing for about 5 months now with no significant breaks. 2-3 days a few times has been all that I have done, unless I am really sore and then I take a day off.

Penis Enlargement is addictive once you see your first gains rofl

I figure if I just do nonstop Penis Enlargement, but give each section of my unit a 2 week break, I should give it enough time to fully decondition which from my personal research is 9-12 days.

Also, the penis is not a muscle. Muscle tissue can usually recuperate fully after 48 hours even though the nervous system can take longer. Collagenous tissue is another story entirely.
thanks for the great reply, although i was asking LT lol

I'm glad you did you're homework on this, it sounds great. how often will the two week break happen? I think I'm gonna do something similair, the one on one off doesn't seem to be working for me
 
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Once again dld grows with out breaks Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......
The rest of us need breaks, but as our dna is differnt no routine works for all of us evenly.
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DLD is a superhuman. But Supy is better!

(take THAT Ancient China!)
 
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yea, ell as long as we got a lot to try we can do good

curse dld and his growing dick!
 
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thanks for the great reply, although i was asking LT lol

I'm glad you did you're homework on this, it sounds great. how often will the two week break happen? I think I'm gonna do something similair, the one on one off doesn't seem to be working for me
Well actually, I am not taking any breaks really. Rather I am focusing on specific tissues one week at a time and I am cycling between hitting main three tissues groups that deal with Penis Enlargement and those are:

(1) Ligaments at the base of the penis
(2) The vertical collagenous tissue layer going up the shaft
(3) The cylindrical collagenous tissue layer spiraling up the shaft

So, week one I only do ligament work (resting the entire tunica), week two I do vertical tunica work (basically stretching ), and week three I do cylindrical tunica work (mostly girth work and width expansion).

The idea here is to push each type of tissue to its limits by the end of the week and then rest that type of tissue for the most part for 2 weeks. THere will inevitably be some overlap between some types of excercise (for example jelqing usually hits every type of tissue to an extent though depending on the angle of the jelq and the erection intensity will hit one type of tissue more than another).

That is the idea. It would be nice to have others people who have hit a plateau to go along with this to see if this cycling idea has any real merit to Penis Enlargement since whether it works or not for only one person (me) is not a great way to do a scientific study (not that our controls will be all that great to begin with since some people take supplements , some people get more rest, some people eat better, etc.).
 
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you've got a great head on yo shoulders MCTFB. we should start up an eperimental group with this, anyone think so? but I'm a little confused with week one and two, is it both stretching , if not how do you get ligaments done without anything else?
 
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you've got a great head on yo shoulders MCTFB. we should start up an eperimental group with this, anyone think so? but I'm a little confused with week one and two, is it both stretching, if not how do you get ligaments done without anything else?
Week one is stretching , but it focuses on the base which is the ligaments. DLD is the master of the manual ligament stretches as he claims to have 90% of his gains from the ligs and he got most if not all of them from manual work. Maybe it is genetics, hard work, or just being smart on his part, but likely it is a combination of all three. You generally work the ligs by stretching down as opposed to up (depending on your LOT), so hanging BTC hits the ligs primarily while hanging OTS will hit your tunica more.

Most newbie gains (the majority of mine so far) is from tunica growth (that is my understanding at least), so once a Penis Enlargement'ers tunica hardens up, they usually get into aggressive hanging like I have. Once their LOT goes down far enough, then they usually go back to focusing on tunica work.

My theory is to make the deconditioning time so that you get optimal length and girth gains from added elasticity but don't let your penis harden up too much and therefore make it stubborn to stretch . Also, you allow proper collagen growth to occur and do not allow improper collagen growth to occur which supposedly can cause permanent long term problems with collagenous tissue.

The two caveats for this idea is:

(1) This is not for people just starting Penis Enlargement or people who have done Penis Enlargement sporadically for a long time. This is for hard gainers or people who feel like they have hit a plateau. I see no reason for cycling if you are not having problems stretching in the first place due to tunica and ligament toughening.

(2) The intensity and duration for each cycle needs to be very high. In other words, when you do ligament work you hang to the point it hurts reasonably bad on the 7th day but of course not so much you are injuring yourself. Long-term hangers need to take breaks anyways due to discoloration and bruising issues anyways. Even if properly wrapped, hanging is tough on the glans no matter how you dice or slice it. In other words, you need to focus hard on getting that aching "damn my unit needs some serious rest" feeling by the end of the week. This is mostly a mental barrier, but the end of the week will give you some mental relief and then you can start going onto something else. I feel serious Penis Enlargement workouts are hard to do long-term for most people because they get tired of the discomfort sometimes required to get big gains once your newbie gains are cemented. If you change it up, you can make a goal for that week and then working your ligs out to total and utter failure doesn't seem like such a bad idea.
 

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I have also made "quick" gains after extended breaks.
I think the same may be true about extended breaks from certain exercise. An exercise that does not give the same results any longer should not be discarded but saved to try at a different point in your program. I sometime revisit basic stretching after not doing it for awhile and have great results.
 
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