Hello! New Joiner, 6 months of PE

Currently looking through his thread now.
Just feeling thrown off by the fact that my standard PE routines have been triggering a shrinkage instead of doing the opposite, especially when trying to stretch at a moderate intensity.
Fair enough if the cells are growing and repairing themselves within the penile body, but cant stand the thought of having to expect new growth to appear after months and months, the way my penis now looks makes me feel more uncomfortable.

As my PE routine is mostly based around LengthMaster - Penis Bundle Stretcher & Weight Hanging, is there a possibility that my girth gains have been pulled away by the lengthening exercises? And therefore preparing the penis to expand in length? Or is my penis simply tugging back and resisting even harder?

If I'm honest the idea of the Pshot has been on my mind for the past 3 weeks (filler would seem a bit more of a desparate option), but I've read a few stories about how people PE'ing have mostly benefited with EQ quality (particularly those with ED). There's a PRP clinic in my city offering the Pshot at a reasonably cheap price, so I wonder if this would help to build a better internal vein structure to form stronger erections (as opposed to taking viagra).
 
kppaaaaa said:
Currently looking through his thread now.
Just feeling thrown off by the fact that my standard PE routines have been triggering a shrinkage instead of doing the opposite, especially when trying to stretch at a moderate intensity.
Fair enough if the cells are growing and repairing themselves within the penile body, but cant stand the thought of having to expect new growth to appear after months and months, the way my penis now looks makes me feel more uncomfortable.

As my PE routine is mostly based around lengthmaster, is there a possibility that my girth gains have been pulled away by the lengthening exercises? And therefore preparing the penis to expand in length? Or is my penis simply tugging back and resisting even harder?

If I'm honest the idea of the Pshot has been on my mind for the past 3 weeks (filler would seem a bit more of a desparate option), but I've read a few stories about how people PE'ing have mostly benefited with EQ quality (particularly those with ED). There's a PRP clinic in my city offering the Pshot at a reasonably cheap price, so I wonder if this would help to build a better internal vein structure to form stronger erections (as opposed to taking viagra).
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Are you using a wrap or sleeve after training?
 
DLD said:
Are you using a wrap or sleeve after training?
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For the majority of the time I keep myself elongated post-workout but I tend to use a penis wrap. Sleeves are also goodbut can get worn out after some time.
 
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kppaaaaa said:
As my PE routine is mostly based around lengthmaster, is there a possibility that my girth gains have been pulled away by the lengthening exercises?
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Good question. The answer is a partial YES. If you don't allow a bit of time on girth, all tissues are being stretched like a taffy candy and all the tissues are focusing on length. Any normal tissues meant for girth during a full erection, you may see a slight decrease, not much, but a slight decrease. This is why DLD mentioned the exercises meant to induce both length and girth at the same time. An example is erected stretching, DLD Blasters, semi-erected bending, or even SSJ where you see both the push-pull and squeeze at the same instance.

In the LengthMaster, you can just go straight with length routines to maximize your length gains, but we also mention to do a bit of jelqing to restore the blood flow, wrap at the end of the routine, and keep the penis elongated during wraps. Keeping elongated allows the blood to flow constantly. Wrapping allows you to squeeze in more blood to take advantage of both length and girth expansion while allowing the penis to heal.

kppaaaaa said:
And therefore preparing the penis to expand in length?
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When you work on length, girth is being diverted through tissues elongation. This means the tissues are reoriented for length growth. All girth work will be diverted to length growth. All natural girth support is pulled to length. Some think they lost girth, but in reality, the tissue structures simply reform to be longer than wider.

kppaaaaa said:
Or is my penis simply tugging back and resisting even harder?
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The element of the tug back is higher as you increase in intensities. This is why you train the tissues to remain relaxed as much as possible in a flaccid state during healing. The term "anti-turtling" is just that, to prevent the body from going into a natural tug back and force it to relax in a new natural flaccid and lengthy state. This helps with the high intense stretches later for faster results.

kppaaaaa said:
If I'm honest the idea of the Pshot has been on my mind for the past 3 weeks (filler would seem a bit more of a desparate option), but I've read a few stories about how people PE'ing have mostly benefited with EQ quality (particularly those with ED). There's a PRP clinic in my city offering the Pshot at a reasonably cheap price, so I wonder if this would help to build a better internal vein structure to form stronger erections (as opposed to taking viagra).
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That is correct. P-shots give you temporary gains and erection quality, but the body detects that it doesn't need to do too much work, it readapta to be lazier. If you work hard to make the blood flow and the erection to be stronger as the body tries hard to keep up with your routines, your erection quality becomes stronger as a benefit.

P-shot, in all honesty, can get your penis larger very quickly. I do mean really quickly with pumping routines. However, it's painful, it does set your pumping time way back due to the pain, and it can be a challenge to manage the shots every 2 to 3 weeks to keep the filled constant at optimal. We have all the tools here for plasma extraction too, and I can do it myself. But, the pain that can set you back because you might hit a nerve or blood vessels, then causing the injury to manifest into something else during healing time, I'll take the slower approach.
 
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Hey all, think its about time to update you all on my PE progress. Long story short, I decided go ahead with the Pshot after all.
It's been a week since my first round of shots and have noticed positive changes already. No gains in length have occurred (not at this point anyway) but I pretty much put on girth again immediately which I'm happy to see (even after the penis swells down after the injections). So yes you're correct in saying that the Pshot can get your penis large pretty quickly, therefore there is a strong likelihood of getting instant gains (girth-wise at least).
After waking up on the 2nd day post-treatment, that's when I noticed a slight improvement in my EQ. I'm able to achieve a quicker and slightly stronger erection. Penis feels more firm when erect and you actually feel a tad hornier as a result. Looking to go for a second round of shots soon so will provide another follow-up.
Shots also included peptides as a growth hormone. Although I'm not overly familiar with peptides I've read that it gives positive benefits in terms of collagen production and tissue repair. As for my PE routines, I've taken a small break from Lengthmaster in preparation for the Pshot and also during post-procedure healing. Have now healed and have resumed basic stretching, ADS stretching and wrapping for elongation, rather than rushing into more intense stretches, but looking to resume lengthmastering soon when it feels right.
I'll probably share a separate post about my full Pshot experience and the entire process so I can document every step of the way, making sure I note down any significant changes in conjunction with PE routines. Will also make note of any recommendations by my PE doctor (probably the first no-BS doctor I've visited which I'm stoked about).

Sidenote, not sure why or how my username changed from kppaaaaa to kk-Finisher-bb lol
 
kk-Finisher-bb said:
Sidenote, not sure why or how my username changed from kppaaaaa to kk-Finisher-bb lol
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LOL DLD changed it for you. But if want it to change back, let us know. We joked about the kk-Finisher-bb as a possible title and you could change the nickname based on the joke.
 
If you want anything just ask. We are here to help
 
Hey just a quick question for my own understanding, when using a traction device (whether it be an extender or lengthmaster) is it correct that when using a higher traction force the penis tends to fight back harder on any growth? Think I read this somewhere in a thread but just figuring out how this would apply to my current routine. For one, growth in length tends to be a bit slower in my case but also after I use the lengthmaster for example my penis feels as though it will shrink back rather than staying elongated for a bit post-workout (at that point I would use my ADS stretcher or penis wrap right after).

I guess I'm just figuring out which level of intensity would be ideal in my case, especially when I'm trying to achieve a decent amount of penis soreness (inner penis/ligs) which would indicate if my penis is healing/growing at all. Goal here is to get the penis tissues to expand rather than resist the stretches. I have started using Lengthmaster again for the past week, and normally start out with straight BTC pulls (to target the best position for inner penis stretch) before doing bundled BTC stretches. Initially my penis was getting those lingering sensations around the shaft, head etc. now not so much so wonder if this is a new repair cycle happening. I'm also curious as to whether I should start using Phallosan Forte along with Phallosan Plus. My understanding of Plus was that there would be a greater pulling force compared to Forte, however the Plus only forces the penis in an upward direction. Therefore, is there any need to use the Forte for long periods of stretches in left/right directions? Or would manual bundles suffice? (I have been manually stretching left to right already)

Side note: Effects of the Pshot appears to have stayed relatively the same 2 weeks after, still kept my new girth and penis feels solid when erect. Scheduled to go for my second round of shots soon.

Also... random but I couldn't help but notice the upper/left side of my scrotum has stretched out a bit. Haven't really done any specific scrotum/testicle stretches in a while (although I should start doing them again) but I often do basic stretches at the start of my daily PE beginning with a downward stretch (if anything). I mean it's certainly beneficial for penis growth but I'm open to making improvements in that area.
 
Upward stretching is fairly useless due to the tunica will always prevent lig stretches. I think you are in a growing cycle. I really believe in bundled stretches are most powerful. I think ads stretches are more of a healing in an elongated state for healing while elongated.
 
kk-Finisher-bb said:
Hey just a quick question for my own understanding, when using a traction device (whether it be an extender or lengthmaster) is it correct that when using a higher traction force the penis tends to fight back harder on any growth?
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Yes it does fight back harder if your traction force/tension is higher than it can handle. No, if you strategically approach using a dynamic tension method, going light to moderate, moderate to light, moderate to a very short heavy, heavy back to light, light back to moderate tension. Your body is a living machine. It will yield and adapt to stressed environment, but at a very short period at time. Constant stresses will force it to fight back hard to preserve itself, and prevent any growth from occurring.

kk-Finisher-bb said:
Think I read this somewhere in a thread but just figuring out how this would apply to my current routine. For one, growth in length tends to be a bit slower in my case but also after I use the lengthmaster for example my penis feels as though it will shrink back rather than staying elongated for a bit post-workout (at that point I would use my ADS stretcher or penis wrap right after).
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This is very common when you have too much stress applied beyond the penile capacity. If that's the case, try the method our brother @trustr1 has observed. 2 days on, 2 days off or even 3 days off. Make sure to keep the penis wrapped/sleeved during rest days.

kk-Finisher-bb said:
I guess I'm just figuring out which level of intensity would be ideal in my case, especially when I'm trying to achieve a decent amount of penis soreness (inner penis/ligs) which would indicate if my penis is healing/growing at all. Goal here is to get the penis tissues to expand rather than resist the stretches. I have started using Lengthmaster again for the past week, and normally start out with straight BTC pulls (to target the best position for inner penis stretch) before doing bundled BTC stretches. Initially my penis was getting those lingering sensations around the shaft, head etc. now not so much so wonder if this is a new repair cycle happening. I'm also curious as to whether I should start using Phallosan Forte along with Phallosan Plus. My understanding of Plus was that there would be a greater pulling force compared to Forte, however the Plus only forces the penis in an upward direction. Therefore, is there any need to use the Forte for long periods of stretches in left/right directions? Or would manual bundles suffice? (I have been manually stretching left to right already)
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When you implement the Forte, make sure not to exceed 1.1kg at any given time. Under traction past 1.1kg for too long, your penis will force itself into a turtling retreat. If that's the case, ease up to 800g or 900g of traction force. Stay far below the green area of the Forte marker.

kk-Finisher-bb said:
Side note: Effects of the Pshot appears to have stayed relatively the same 2 weeks after, still kept my new girth and penis feels solid when erect. Scheduled to go for my second round of shots soon.
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Got it. I'll keep this in our records of your success! Congrats.

kk-Finisher-bb said:
Also... random but I couldn't help but notice the upper/left side of my scrotum has stretched out a bit. Haven't really done any specific scrotum/testicle stretches in a while (although I should start doing them again) but I often do basic stretches at the start of my daily PE beginning with a downward stretch (if anything). I mean it's certainly beneficial for penis growth but I'm open to making improvements in that area.
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What caused the stretches to the scrotum skin is because of the Forte, in combination with the LengthMaster. The LengthMaster causes the skin to have a high traction loading, and the Forte kept is stretched afterward. If you want to maximize that stretches, add balls and ligs stretch into the mix for an additional 5 minutes exercise into your routine. You'll have a pretty long stretched set of ball soon enough. Balls and Ligs stretch exercise is in the Resources and Programs:
 
oldandlively said:
Yes it does fight back harder if your traction force/tension is higher than it can handle. No, if you strategically approach using a dynamic tension method, going light to moderate, moderate to light, moderate to a very short heavy, heavy back to light, light back to moderate tension. Your body is a living machine. It will yield and adapt to stressed environment, but at a very short period at time. Constant stresses will force it to fight back hard to preserve itself, and prevent any growth from occurring.


This is very common when you have too much stress applied beyond the penile capacity. If that's the case, try the method our brother @trustr1 has observed. 2 days on, 2 days off or even 3 days off. Make sure to keep the penis wrapped/sleeved during rest days.


When you implement the Forte, make sure not to exceed 1.1kg at any given time. Under traction past 1.1kg for too long, your penis will force itself into a turtling retreat. If that's the case, ease up to 800g or 900g of traction force. Stay far below the green area of the Forte marker.


Got it. I'll keep this in our records of your success! Congrats.


What caused the stretches to the scrotum skin is because of the Forte, in combination with the LengthMaster. The LengthMaster causes the skin to have a high traction loading, and the Forte kept is stretched afterward. If you want to maximize that stretches, add balls and ligs stretch into the mix for an additional 5 minutes exercise into your routine. You'll have a pretty long stretched set of ball soon enough. Balls and Ligs stretch exercise is in the Resources and Programs:
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Every brother needs to do the ball and lig stretch. Such a secret to gaining length and the elimination of turkey neck
 
Upward stretching is fairly useless due to the tunica will always prevent lig stretches. I think you are in a growing cycle. I really believe in bundled stretches are most powerful. I think ads stretches are more of a healing in an elongated state for healing while elongated.
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Ok interesting points. Seems I've been using the Phallosan Plus for several months now where the penis has been left stretched in an upward facing direction. Maybe this is a likely cause of gains slowing down, so perhaps I should avoid this for now and aim for lower stretches? Additionally, I've aimed for higher intensity by strapping myself into the Plus then eventually moving up one step by adding more gold bars, therefore is this method a bit overkill unless I move from light-> moderate -> light tension (as mentioned above)?
As for the Forte, I'm able to stretch from left to right but wonder if I'm able to manoeuvre a downward stretch if this is deemed most effective? (otherwise I may have to consider the SiliStretcher - All Day Penis Vacuum Stretcher and Weight Hanger to accomplish this)
oldandlively said:
When you implement the Forte, make sure not to exceed 1.1kg at any given time. Under traction past 1.1kg for too long, your penis will force itself into a turtling retreat. If that's the case, ease up to 800g or 900g of traction force. Stay far below the green area of the Forte marker.
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Sorry for the confusion but does 1.1kg equate to the red zone? I've mainly targeted the yellow-red zones for longer periods as there is lower intensity with the green zones. Perhaps I'd have to strategically adjust the levels of tension when I'm strapped in.
 
oldandlively said:
LOL DLD changed it for you. But if want it to change back, let us know. We joked about the kk-Finisher-bb as a possible title and you could change the nickname based on the joke.
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there is two of us actually, dld made a mistake by changing two at the same time haha šŸ˜
 
*kk-Finisher-bb* said:
there is two of us actually, dld made a mistake by changing two at the same time haha šŸ˜
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Do you want me to change it again?
 
DLD said:
Do you want me to change it again?
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if you'd like then please, that would makes us avoid confusions
 
kk-Finisher-bb said:
Ok interesting points. Seems I've been using the Phallosan Plus for several months now where the penis has been left stretched in an upward facing direction. Maybe this is a likely cause of gains slowing down, so perhaps I should avoid this for now and aim for lower stretches? Additionally, I've aimed for higher intensity by strapping myself into the Plus then eventually moving up one step by adding more gold bars, therefore is this method a bit overkill unless I move from light-> moderate -> light tension (as mentioned above)?
As for the Forte, I'm able to stretch from left to right but wonder if I'm able to manoeuvre a downward stretch if this is deemed most effective? (otherwise I may have to consider the silistretcher to accomplish this)
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At times, you have to be imaginative and find a way to pull it downwards. Take a few photos on how you strap on the Forte with the existing straps, and we'll figure out a way for the downward using a rig method.

kk-Finisher-bb said:
Sorry for the confusion but does 1.1kg equate to the red zone? I've mainly targeted the yellow-red zones for longer periods as there is lower intensity with the green zones. Perhaps I'd have to strategically adjust the levels of tension when I'm strapped in.
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If the 1.1kg is in the red zone, it's the final point in telling you not to go past it due to additional movements that can cause the red to exceed into the "No no" zone. Staying in the yellow zone allows the stretching to go into the red during excessive movements. As long as you don't staying past the red zone for too long, you are fine. If the red is 1.1kg, stay in the zone without going past it.
 
*kk-Finisher-bb* said:
if you'd like then please, that would makes us avoid confusions
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What name do you want?
 
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