GUYS!! I've found it!! THE BREAK through theory that's gonna skyrocket your gains!!!

I don't see what every ones problems are. I mean SWM i agree with you alot but if some guy is lazy and just wants quick gains with no work, then we all now he ain't going to get them and we can tell him that but at the end of the day its no skin off our back.

I don't see why people can be interested in both science in NPenis Enlargement and just doing the exercises. Take DLD and REDZULU Ive never seen two guys more try so hard. DLD is like a walking taking NPenis Enlargement textbook but he is also a dam hard worker in making his cock grow like a hose pipe. Also REDZULU knows shit loads about supplements and NPenis Enlargement theory and she still manages to nearly pull his dam pecker off when he exercises.

Originally posted by WaxN
I'll admit that my biology/physiology background is not particularly strong, but I am aware of the "scientific method," and I did study logic, informal & formal. It is so easy to misattribute causal relationships. [...] To truly arrive at scientific methods, you really would need a large sampling of the population - as well as a control group. You would have to monitor these individuals, hopefully doing consistent lab work as you went along, perhaps even biopsies (studied by pathologists), etc., etc. [...] This is NOT science - it isn't anywhere near science. And I'll repeat, we don't have the resources here to conduct true scientific experiments. If you doubt that, you don't understand the meaning of "scientific experiments."

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Considering your background in logic one would hope you'd chose your words more wisely. Nothing you say here has any bearing on this matter. "The scientific method", a singular method if one was to believe you, does not exist. There are certain ways of doing scientific work in various aspects of science (which is really too big a word to throw around like this). I'll repeat what I said before again.

don't make the mistake of thinking that research has to be labratory-confined, double-blind testing. It's the golden standard in some sciences but hardly worth a damn in others.

Nice you could throw a few nuggets our way in this discussion though.

Originally posted by RB2
In the beginning it was dubbed a "theory". It's beyond that now, it's fact [...]

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No. It is not beyond theory. That's the point about scientific enquiry. It is all theory. People don't seem to get that though. (Or they just don't read the relevant stuff. Popper's been beaten to death be he's obviously not that common.) The theory of relativity. Just theory. Any single fact can refute it tomorrow (and quantum theory is getting pretty darn close). LOT is still just a theory. It might be a fruitful theory (if it actually made testable predictions) but it is still just a theory.

the·o·ry
(th-r, thîr)
n. pl. the·o·ries

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
2. The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
3. A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

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[Late Latin theria, from Greek theri, from theros, spectator : probably the, a viewing + -oros, seeing (from horn, to see).]

Eb, maybe for you, but for me, it is fact. Ignore it I get no gains. Use it I gain. Sounds like a plan, and I'm not into arguing semantics.

Originally posted by RB2
Eb, maybe for you, but for me, it is fact. Ignore it I get no gains. Use it I gain. Sounds like a plan, and I'm not into arguing semantics.

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I still suggest you check out DLD's "quote" and especially points 5 and 6. Funny thing about semantics, they tend to help understanding.

Call it what you want. I understand fine. And I don't need to use passive aggression to disagree.

I am lost.
Sorry guys I am.

Great debate however, lets just make sure we dont get NASTY and fall out.
We are here to all advise/help one another.
I disagreed with the LOT theory myself....but recently I dont.
It makes sense, but I dont religiously goby it or use it, but Its a good tool made by a real clever guy in this field.

However:
I do 100% BELIVE that say if your not gaining after months and months andf months in length from doing downward ligament work, than KEEP AT IT, eventually THE LIGS WILL COME.
Its all TIME, DEDICATION and PATIENCE.
Of course doing the Tunicae instead will give you some more quicker results, but the ligaments will S L O W LY after time grow more, I really belive in this and have infact seen it happen......to ME.

I only gained 1 fucking inch in just over 1 year of NPenis Enlargement.
Slowly and SLOWLY it came.
My ligs are HARD as fuck...bad for me but I kept at it.
0.05/0.10 inches a month started coming and than it added to 1 whole inch.......all I am saying is if you stick to it....stretching summut NO MATTER how hard/strong it is, will move/develop more.

Now I do weight hanging, with Ligs and Tunicae.
Been one week, but my flaccid seems bigger.

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I just wonna say ALL dont get BOGGED down in ONE dimension if you will.....dont go for everything that one says cos they seem to know it all.
Do research, look at diagrams and come to YOUR own conclusions.
Even if they seem WRONG but you know/think their right....stick to it.......thats individuality, something rare these days.

Never be a sheep.
Find your own answers from the info' given and if your not happy with summut than you can gain more by researching it, most guys that are in the know here have been doing that for years.
I have studyed TONS and TONS of diagrams, autopsy pictures, reports of the penis attached to the Pubic bone and the ligs.
I came to that above conclusion as a result.

Another thing I found out was this:
Tunicae exercise is the best long-term plan for length gains.
Each male will have at least 12/15 inches of internal penis in them, some have 20 inches.
NO THIS AINT THE INTESTINE clever dicks....its the Tunicae.
This inside part if the penis, connected at the back from the pubic bone, not direct to the actual penis.....can be over time en-couraged to grow outwards.
Its gunna be VERY hard for one to get say 10 inches of it out into the open........but I belive its possible.
If a male did Tunicae work consistant say 7 on 0ff or 5 on 0ff / 6 on 1 off for 10 years at least, he would have alot of extra penis that was hidden.
Now, many vets will say 'No man' 'not possible' and start feeding me Scientific bullshit.
I back up and walk off...let them mumble to um selves.
I read..........analyse and come to a conclusion.
You either BELIVE or you DONT.....this is the world of Penis enlargement.....its all coming outta the attic now, its NU shit of the block NO ONE has all the answers........learn what you can.....find out what ya can.

Doctors and Urologists / Scientists are saying IT AINT POSSIBLE what we do.......this is what I mean, they looked at what they saw, a wall....never climbed the wall to see whats their so they leave the wall, their loss.
This is what I reckon is the BEUTY if NPenis Enlargement/Penis Enlargement.
Normal guys from everyday life, not some rich damm no it all Uni grad'....we all mix and come up with our ideas.
Now think..........this is better than having Scince poke its nose in? imagine that.

Originally posted by RB2
Eb, maybe for you, but for me, it is fact. Ignore it I get no gains. Use it I gain. Sounds like a plan, and I'm not into arguing semantics.

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RB, I understand exactly what you're saying. That was my experience with Bib's theory also. I was stuck for so long with no gains, doing downward stretches, side stretches, etc. Once I did the LOT test & adjusted my gains accordingly, boom! - the gains came. That's all that matters, not guys who love blowing noise out their asses.
And when I mentioned the "scientific method," I was merely referring to the several general steps in scientific reasoning.
But ebon00 is right about semantics, because that's where he lost me....remember when he referred to the Theory of Relativity, then exclaimed "Einstein was no more than a clerk." ??
That was where he thoroughly discredited himself....

1911: Einstein is given a full professorship at the German University there. Albert is the youngest to attend the invitation-only Solvay Conference in Brussels, the first world physics conference.

1912: Einstein is given a position as a professor of Theoretical Physics at the ETH.

1913: Einstein works on his new Theory of Gravity.

1914: Einstein becomes director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin and professor of theoretical physics at the University of Berlin.

1915: Einstein completes the General Theory of Relativity.

As you can see, this man who ebon00 describes as "no more than a clerk," did in fact hold 3 different professorships & was an institute director in Berlin before he even published his Theory of Relativity.
Some clerk! Wow.
Maybe ebon00 should pay a little more attention to the statements he carelessly throws around and maybe do a little research first - rather than condescendingly lecturing others on these boards about semantics.
For the record, Bib's theory is indeed a "theory"; only because it hasn't been proven as an actual fact. But predictions may in fact be made regarding LOT...for me it was this simple: Low LOT = ineffective BTC stretches; Low LOT + tunica stretching = gains.
By the way....I think I missed something. What exactly was his theory anyway?

Originally posted by WaxN
By the way....I think I missed something. What exactly was his theory anyway?

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If you're talking about me, then there was none. You started throwing crap in the direction of anyone who was remotely interested in finding out things for themselves. I responded. I haven't put together the stuff I've found into a theory because as of yet I don't see one emerging.

And WaxN, you are really good at producing facts. But you're not looking at them. The dates are all correct and yes, Einstein did hold a number of degrees (most, if not all, honorary) but he published the special theory of relativity in 1905. At the time he was Technical Expert, to cite his proper title, at the Swiss Patent office in Bern. Basically, a clerk. So I'm carelessly throwing styatements around? Perhaps if you read my statements you'd not answer me by using irrelevant facts.

What about people who have made gains way before the LOT theory came about? According to the theory, they were training wrong, yet reached goals.
It's always cool to have a new perspective on shit, but if pulling down on your stretching is wrong in theory because of the LOT, but you're making gains, why stop and adjust yourself to other bullshit?

Whatever. I don't discriminate. I stretch in all directions.

Originally posted by Godsize
What about people who have made gains way before the LOT theory came about? According to the theory, they were training wrong, yet reached goals.

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I made gains before the Lot theory.

I don't understand how you can state "According to the theory, they were training wrong, yet reached goals.".

Prickle, who are "they"? How do you know "they" were training wrong, yet reached goals?

Even Stillwantmore is hanging and gaining in accordance with his LOT, for example. I'm very happy for him, cause I've gained and know how estatic it makes one feel. However, I predict that at some point his gains will slow due to his ligs lengthening and taking the majority of the stress, and when that time comes he will either have to seriously up the weight used or switch angles if he wants to continue gaining length. By having the LOT stuff in the back of his mind, he won't have to go near gainless for months and months and waste valuable time like I did, he can simply start stretching over his shoulders and isolate and stress his tunica more effectively.

An oldie but a goody. Don't mind all the bickering.


What I take from this is why the hell am I laying here at 436am doing nothing but reading 8 year old post about Penis Enlargement....and not doing Penis Enlargement! Maybe im tired and just can't sleep but im guilty of not doing what I should be to make gains. My dick is super sore from my workouts today but still!

How many of us sit here and read when we should be doing a set of stretches....or jelqing? Its a wake up call for me

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Ok, this is gonna shock some of you guys I know. But, I was consulting with my team of research analysts from un named ....but, I assure all of you very good sources....and, we've reached the conclusion that will absolutely skyrocket your Penis Enlargement gains! You ready? >>>>












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Ok, here it is....stop wasting so much time and brain power trying to figure out the next new Penis Enlargement Theory....actually DO some Penis Enlargement and, you will make more gains than you have EVER made! I know, I know youre saying "But, Still....youre crazy man! I know if I just spend a few more months tweeking this one little calculation and apply this new hypothesis to my Penis Enlargement routine I'll gain by a whole 1/2% more!"(insert geeky snort and visual of said geek adjusting his birth control glasses on his nose) No really I'm serious guys. Give it a shot ....you'll see, I promise.

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^^^ What's the point of this thread??

why would you be on here if you weren't already doing Penis Enlargement? The exercise stages are already listed on DLD's website

rebel2011;440168 said:

How many of us sit here and read when we should be doing a set of stretches....or jelqing? Its a wake up call for me

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I feel lots of people take a forum for granted. After a post leaves the 'whats new' section it is "off limits". The best way to learn about penis enlargement is to go through all the threads other penis enlargers have written for you to learn from their experience so you could have an easier workout. Good job reading the ancient threads. You are going to have a lot more knowledge than the average penis enlarger. That is why it is also good to start threads whenever you may have ideas or questions you don't feel are so important always, because you never know when you could be onto a break through. I think this thread was just an experiment of a thought Stillwantmore Guest had almost a decade ago and it represents how far posting has come since those days and keeps record of the feelings and experiences users back then had while doing exactly what we're doing today...pulling on our penises.

The point of this post is while knowledge is useful there is no replacement for action. Reading 1000 post a day isn't going to grow your penis my friends! I am guilty of reading post after post trying to find something that just isn't there. If I would have spent every minute stretching or using the Bathmate I would prolly be huge by now. Yes I have learned different things but that knowledge hasn't grown me a 1/4 inch. I have become a "forum whore" when I need to be working on my dick. I know there are other people here that spend more time searching the forums than in actual Penis Enlargement.

rebel2011;440251 said:

The point of this post is while knowledge is useful there is no replacement for action. Reading 1000 post a day isn't going to grow your penis my friends! I am guilty of reading post after post trying to find something that just isn't there. If I would have spent every minute stretching or using the Bathmate I would prolly be huge by now. Yes I have learned different things but that knowledge hasn't grown me a 1/4 inch. I have become a "forum whore" when I need to be working on my dick. I know there are other people here that spend more time searching the forums than in actual Penis Enlargement.

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Study, work, study work, study work!

Well I understand that a person needs to be armed with some knowledge. But I know in my case I was using to much time to study. I feel a little study and a lot of work is key. This post just hit to close to home.


But now I dont feel bad cause im working on 1 hr in the sg so I've got best of both worlds