Big Al said:
Negative posted: "I think its very strange Big Al post this article when saying on his page " How you can permanently add as much as 2 extra inches to your penis in just weeks." Why take hormons when you can gain 2 inch in weeks ? He he...

And this "Doctor" Dr. Reicher most be a great source *LOL*"

And your point is? I personally DON'T recommend injecting/ingesting any hormones....I merely posted this for informational purposes. I don't necessarily agree with everything that Dr. Reicher says, but he is a very intelligent doctor that has helped many of our members with their medical questions.

No offense intended, but you strike me as one of those individuals that try to seem intelligent by using sarcasm as opposed to actually using facts or theories. If you have information that somehow disproves what the studies have shown, please post it here.

My point is still why take risks with drugs/hormones if you can do it the natural way ?
Sorry Al I thought you recommend this thing to everybody, This shit is really hardcore and nothing for those who´s not willing to take chances.


Peace !
 
Alot of stuff gets posted on boards all the time and it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone should jump on the bandwagon and try it out. It doesn't mean that the board is telling anyone to do it. For myself, i find studies very interesting and although i'm comfortable with experimenting with AAS and other hormones, i certainly don't expect most members to do as i do. Everybody must decide for himself what is and isn't acceptable from their own perspective with regards to Penis Enlargement and their bodies. Studies posted are for informational purposes only...
 
sikdogg said:
Alot of stuff gets posted on boards all the time and it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone should jump on the bandwagon and try it out. It doesn't mean that the board is telling anyone to do it. For myself, i find studies very interesting and although i'm comfortable with experimenting with AAS and other hormones, i certainly don't expect most members to do as i do. Everybody must decide for himself what is and isn't acceptable from their own perspective with regards to Penis Enlargement and their bodies. Studies posted are for informational purposes only...

Ok I see.

Is there any studies with IGF-1 prove that your penis getting bigger with it.? I mean the penis got no muscle.
 
There are a few but i'm too lazy to dig them up right now but here's one...

Insulin-like growth factor 1, but not growth hormone, has in vitro proliferative effects on neonatal foreskin fibroblasts without affecting 5-alpha-reductase or androgen receptor activity.

Dykstra KD, Payne AM, Abdelrahim M, Francis GL.

Department of Pediatrics, Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, Bethesda, Maryland.

Clinical observation of patients with congenital growth hormone (GH) deficiency and Laron-type dwarfism suggests that factors such as GH or insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) might in addition to androgens, be needed for normal phallic growth. We speculated GH or IGF-1 might have direct actions on genital tissues and performed the present study to evaluate the in vitro effects of GH and IGF-1 on cultured neonatal foreskin fibroblasts. Cells derived from foreskins of normal newborns were studied between cell passages 6 and 15. Serum-free media with and without 100 ng/ml GH, IGF-1, or both were added 24 hours prior to and at the time of study. To determine the activity of 5-alpha-reductase (5-alpha-R), 3H-testosterone (T: 2 nM) was added, and 5-alpha-R activity was calculated as femtomoles 3H-dihydrotestosterone and 3H-androstanediol produced/microgram DNA/hour. Androgen receptor (AR) binding was determined by the addition of 3H-dihydrotestosterone (dHT; 0.03125-0.5 nM) in the presence and absence of a 200-fold excess of unlabeled dHT. Specific binding was used in Scatchard analysis for determination of AR number (Bmax) and binding affinity (Kd). The rate of DNA synthesis was determined by incorporation of 3H-thymidine (3H-Thy) into trichloroacetic acid-insoluble material. DNA and protein content were determined on cell lysates. IGF-1, but not GH, had proliferative effects (significant increases in the rate of 3H-Thy incorporation, DNA, and protein content) but no effect on 5-alpha-R activity, Bmax or Kd.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)
 
From what I understand the best way to increase igf-1 levels and test levels is throught a routine of good abundant nutrition and HEAVY squats. Over the years of reading bodybuilding books, mags, etc., this has always been stated as a fact, that squats really raise igf-1 levels. The reason being is that they place maximun stress on the infrastructure of the body, heavy lung inhalation and expantion, they literally shock the body to increased growth levels.
Good luck.
 
thedudeo said:
From what I understand the best way to increase igf-1 levels and test levels is throught a routine of good abundant nutrition and HEAVY squats. Over the years of reading bodybuilding books, mags, etc., this has always been stated as a fact, that squats really raise igf-1 levels. The reason being is that they place maximun stress on the infrastructure of the body, heavy lung inhalation and expantion, they literally shock the body to increased growth levels.
Good luck.
I've heard that also, but there is a limit to one's natural ability.
 
Yep- heavy breather squats from the "Super Squats" workout system by Stuart McRobert. Pick a squatting weight that you can barely do 10 straight reps with. Squat close to or to parallel for 1 rep, pause and take a couple of deep breaths, then do another rep. By the time you get to rep 15, you'll probably have to take 5 or more deep breaths between reps. Do 20 reps total. I've done this before and it's definitely a great workout. I've puked on 2 occasions from it, so if you're going to do breather squats, have a receptacle of some kind nearby ;)
 
Yep squats are supposed to be the best for testosterone and but for chest expansion I think heavy curls holding your breath at maximum expansion. I would not do this if you smoke or have fainted in the past from similar exercise, or have an electrolyte imbalance as you could have some serious problems. But I did these and I expanded my chest by 3 inches in only a couple of months or maybe less.
 
I am about to get on some quality igf-1lr3 soon. I am not only doing this for the benifits of Penis Enlargement but I am also a bodybuilder. igf-1 is know to create hyperplasia (dividing of the cells) so this might be an interesting experiment. I will let you guys know the progress.
 
Supra has done this but he actually injected into his penis...
 
rydog said:
I am about to get on some quality igf-1lr3 soon. I am not only doing this for the benifits of Penis Enlargement but I am also a bodybuilder. igf-1 is know to create hyperplasia (dividing of the cells) so this might be an interesting experiment. I will let you guys know the progress.
Document your growth and post up...
 
man all this talk of cancers especially prostate sorta freaks me out. I know a guy who had a rapid case of prostate cancer and they had to remove the twins surgicly. and both cancers can be awful to watch someone die from. none of which are worth it to me for a slight perk in penis growth. I will stick to exercises and stretching. and it takes a special kind guy IMHO to stick a needle down there. of which I can honestly say I am not in that class.
 
LOL I dont plan on injecting in my penis. Unlike HGH, IGF-1 is normally injected intra-muscularly versus subcutaneous(right under the skin). HGH produces igf-1 through the liver. So injecting IGF-1 is more direct acting. I dont think it matters where the IGF-1 is injected for Penis Enlargement purposes. I will document the results later on in this thread.
 
loco said:
man all this talk of cancers especially prostate sorta freaks me out. I know a guy who had a rapid case of prostate cancer and they had to remove the twins surgicly. and both cancers can be awful to watch someone die from. none of which are worth it to me for a slight perk in penis growth. I will stick to exercises and stretching. and it takes a special kind guy IMHO to stick a needle down there. of which I can honestly say I am not in that class.
I hear ya... no one want cancer, but what's interesting is that in europe IGF-1 is commonly prescribed to cancer patients to help them increase body mass.
 
rydog said:
LOL I dont plan on injecting in my penis. Unlike HGH, IGF-1 is normally injected intra-muscularly versus subcutaneous(right under the skin). HGH produces igf-1 through the liver. So injecting IGF-1 is more direct acting. I dont think it matters where the IGF-1 is injected for Penis Enlargement purposes. I will document the results later on in this thread.
For its anabolic properties, yes igf-1 is more direct acting but hgh provides other benefits besides increased igf-1 levels. Hgh is the closest thing to the fountain of youth that's currently available today. This may not be important for you if you're in your 20's to early 30's, but as you get closer to 40... Also, IGF-1 can only be used for 6 weeks or so before the benefits begin to diminish, whereas hgh can be taken indefinitely.

In my opinion, igf-1 is great to kickstart an hgh cycle and for post cycle. All other times, i would prefer to run hgh.
 
Here are some interesting findings regarding oral use of l arginine and other oral suppliments which significantly increase HGH

Growth Hormone: Amino Acids as GH Secretagogues
A Review of the Literature
April 2001
by Kimberly Pryor and Ward Dean, MD

Growth hormone is released by the pituitary gland in the brain. GH is responsible for enhancing muscle growth, burning fat and maintaining the immune system. Many scientists have linked the changes seen with aging--loss of lean body mass, thinning of the skin and an increase in adipose (fat) tissue--to the decline in growth hormone that begins in the human body by the age of 30 (Fig. 1,).

Growth hormone is a concern of many athletes and life-extension enthusiasts, who commonly use amino acid supplements to boost levels of this important hormone. Anecdotal evidence is plentiful that amino acid supplements can offer anabolic effects consistent with growth hormone release. But the question remaining is whether research supports the wide-spread belief that amino acid supplements really do act as growth hormone secretagogues.

Intravenous administration of some amino acids is known to result in a significant growth-hormone release. For example, the 52% rise in serum arginine that occurs after low dose, intravenous arginine infusion is associated with a significant rise in serum growth hormone levels. In fact, clinicians routinely use an arginine infusion test to determine the responsiveness of the pituitary to releasing growth hormone in humans.(1-2) Intravenous ornithine also increases growth hormone release in humans, producing a five-fold
increase in serum growth hormone in 45 minutes.(3)

Life extension pioneers Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw, in their popular book Life Extension: A Practical Scientific Approach, advocated the use of amino acids to boost growth hormone production, particularly ornithine and arginine, and the prescription drug and amino acid, L-Dopa (Fig. 2). It was clear that Pearson and Shaws protocol, including ornithine and arginine, did indeed appear to offer benefits. Pearson and Shaw state, 'L-arginine/L-ornithine cause the release of growth hormone by different mechanisms, so they are even more effective when taken together.' However, their book does not go into detail nor describe any examples of growth-hormone-releasing studies performed on either of these two amino acids.(4)

Given the fact that scientists have presented us with a head-turning volley of contradictory evidence, is Pearson and Shaws unwavering faith in amino acids as growth-hormone releasers justified? An interpretation of the studies relating to amino acids as growth hormone secretagogues shows that, despite the mixed results, there are plenty of reasons to include amino acids in a supplement regimen.

Ornithine
Ornithine is derived from the amino acid arginine. High doses of oral ornithine have successfully raised growth hormone levels in some studies. Bucci, et al, investigated the effect of 40, 100 and 170 mg/kg of oral L-ornithine HCl on 12 bodybuilders. Twenty-five percent of the subjects experienced significant increases in serum growth hormone levels at the two lower doses, while half the subjects showed an increase in growth hormone at the highest dose. Growth hormone rose, in some cases, up to four times the baseline level.(5)

Unfortunately, the highest dose used to increase growth hormone also caused osmotic diarrhea in the males tested, a side effect not seen in the three females who consumed high ornithine doses. The females also experienced a rise in GH after each dose, leading the researchers to conclude, 'Oral ornithine should be studied in more detail in female strength athletes.'

Arginine
The ability of oral arginine to raise growth hormone has been investigated in numerous studies with conflicting results. For example, in one study, subjects given 6 grams
of oral arginine experienced a 100% increase in plasma levels of arginine without any growth hormone release.(6) Other researchers administered oral arginine to 12 young and 5 elderly non-obese adults, all of whom had a body mass index (BathmateI) less than 30. The subjects participated in three trials: resistive weight-lifting exercise with no
placebo; 5 grams of oral L-arginine only; and 5 grams of arginine supplementation prior to exercise.

When arginine was consumed at rest, it did not significantly raise GH levels, compared with baseline values, in either the young or the old subjects. In fact, GH levels in those consuming arginine at rest were significantly lower than during the exercise-only trial. Consuming arginine before exercise did not significantly raise the GH concentrations in either the old or the young subjects, compared to exercise only. Surprisingly, the amount of GH secreted in the exercise-plus-arginine trial was 20% less than during exercise only in the young subjects, indicating arginine may actually blunt growth hormone production, particularly in the young.(7)

Other researchers drew the same conclusion in a study of 16 young men during an acute episode of resistive weight lifting. After 3 grams of oral arginine and lysine, the subjects experienced a peak GH response to exercise approximately 15% lower than during exercise without supplementation.(8) One group of researchers, after reviewing the evidence, wrote, 'These results suggest that oral arginine, unlike intravenously infused arginine, does not appear to be an effective means of enhancing GH secretion.'(7)

Researchers suspect that arginine may only act as a growth hormone secretagogue at night, rather than prior to exercise or during non-exercise daytime conditions. When researchers administered 250 mg/kg/day of oral arginine aspartate to five healthy subjects aged 20 to 35 for seven days, the rise in GH that occurred during slow wave sleep was approximately 60% higher in the subjects after arginine aspartate administration than in the control period. These same results were not obtained with a lower dose of 100 mg/kg/day.(9)

Another group of researchers achieved promising results when treating 12 normal adults with one large, 37.5-gram dose of arginine aspartate, administered orally. The treatment caused a small but significant release of serum growth hormone in these subjects.(10)

Arginine and Ornithine
When administered together, arginine and ornithine do appear to offer anabolic benefits. These benefits appear to be caused by growth hormone release, but this remains unproven. In a double-blind study of 22 adult males participating in a 5-week progressive strength-training program, half the subjects orally consumed a combination of 2 grams of L-arginine and 1 gram of L-ornithine; the other half consumed a placebo. Following a short-term strength program using progressively higher intensities, subjects
taking the arginine-ornithine combination scored significantly higher in total strength and lean body mass and excreted less urinary hydroxyproline (an amino acid found in collagen, the excretion of which is a marker of catabolism) than subjects on placebos. In reviewing the study, one group of researchers wrote, 'It was concluded that arginine and ornithine taken in prescribed doses can, in conjunction with a high-intensity, strength-training program, increase total strength and lean body mass in a relatively short time.'

The researchers suggested that the lower hydroxyproline levels were an indication that arginine and ornithine aided in recovery from chronic stress by alleviating tissue breakdown. The reviewers hypothesized that these changes were due to increases in growth hormone release, although GH was not measured.(11-12)

Ornithine-alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG)
Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) is a salt formed of two molecules of ornithine and one molecule of alpha-ketoglutarate. OKG is a promising anti-catabolic agent that
promotes wound healing and protein synthesis. Researchers have hypothesized that OKG fulfills these functions by encouraging the secretion of insulin and human growth hormone, and by upregulating glutamine and arginine production. When fed enterally to trauma patients, OKG significantly increased both IGF-1 and growth hormone
levels.(13-17)

Although few, if any, oral studies exist on OKGs ability to release growth hormone in normal subjects, studies do show that in healthy subjects OKG does increase tissue levels of glutamine and arginine, which are regulators of protein synthesis. In fact, animal studies show that ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) generates more glutamine in the systemic circulation than glutamine itself when these substances are given orally.(18-19) Oral glutamine has been shown to release growth hormone in some studies.(20)

Arginine Pyroglutamate and Lysine
Arginine and lysine may work synergistically to release growth hormone. In a study of 15 healthy male subjects, separate consumption of arginine pyroglutamate or lysine
as single nutrients did not significantly increase growth hormone compared to baseline. In another study of normal young males, oral administration of 1,200 mg of L-lysine did not raise serum growth hormone levels.(21)

Studies indicate, however, that these two amino acids can work together to instigate the release of growth hormone. In 15 healthy male subjects aged 15 to 20 years old, 1200 milligrams of arginine pyroglutamate combined with L-lysine hydrochloride significantly elevated biologically active growth hormone from two to eight times the baseline value at 30 to 120 minutes after consuming the amino acids.(21)

Another study indicated arginine and lysine may act to increase growth hormone--but only under specific conditions. Sixteen men randomly completed four trials. Trial A
consisted of a performance of a single bout of resistance exercise preceded by placebo ingestion (vitamin C). Trial B involved ingestion of 1,500 mg L-arginine and 1,500 mg L-lysine, imwww.ely followed by exercise as in Trial A. In Trial C, subjects consumed arginine and lysine as in Trial B, but with no exercise. In Trial D, subjects consumed a placebo and did not engage in exercise. There was no difference in growth hormone concentrations between the placebo-supplemented subjects and the amino acid-treated subjects. However, in Trial C, during resting conditions, growth hormone was significantly elevated 60 minutes after consumption of arginine and lysine compared with the placebo trial. The researchers concluded that ingestion of 1,500 mg arginine and 1,500 mg lysine imwww.ely before resistance exercise did not alter exercise-induced changes in GH in young men. When the same amino acid mixture is ingested under resting conditions, however, acute GH secretion is increased.(22)

Unfortunately, not all studies investigating the use of arginine and lysine have resulted in positive findings. One study investigated whether oral arginine/lysine could be used to increase basal IGF-I and GH levels in non-obese elderly men to values similar to those of untreated young men. Researchers gave two groups of 8 healthy elderly men either 1.5 grams of arginine plus 1.5 grams of lysine or a placebo twice daily for 14 days. The researchers also administered the amino acid combination to young men during the same time period and measured GH and IGF-1 levels. The researchers found that arginine and lysine administration did not significantly alter basal or sleep-related GH levels or serum IGF-I, either in the elderly or young subjects. 'Our data suggest that oral arginine/lysine is not a practical means of chronically enhancing GH secretion in old men,' the researchers reported.(23) Another group of researchers suggested the lack of GH release in this study may be due to the low doses used.(7)

Glycine
Glycine is a nonessential amino acid contained in gelatin protein and is an important component of collagen. Although much of the early research revolved around glycines ability to increase strength in athletes, more recent studies have documented that oral glycine can indeed raise growth hormone levels in humans. In fact, researchers have hypothesized that the reason glycine has been found to increase muscle strength in many studies, (with females experiencing a 22% increase and men a 32% increase in cycle ergometry workloads after ingestion of 5 to 12 grams of glycine daily) may be the result of its growth-hormone-boosting capabilities.(24)

One study clearly illustrated glycines ability to act as a GH secretagogue. When 19 normal, non-obese subjects consumed 6.75 grams of glycine orally, growth hormone levels significantly increased for 3 hours, reaching a maximum of 3 to 4 times that of baseline at 2 hours. Interestingly, the only group of subjects not deriving a growth-hormone-boosting benefit from glycine was non-obese diabetics. According to the researchers, 'glycine is one of the stimulatory agents inducing the pituitary gland to secrete hGH.'(25)

On the other hand, another study of eight men revealed that six or twelve grams of glycine daily for 10 weeks could increase urine creatine levels, but did not improve grip
strength.(26) These same disappointing results were upheld in a double-blind, crossover study of 33 football players given a placebo or 5 grams of glycine daily. After consuming glycine for 21 days, the subjects did not experience any noticeable benefit to work output.(27)

After reviewing the above studies, one group of researchers hypothesized that the reason glycine showed no effect in the later trials is because glycine enhances growth hormone levels already produced during a whole-body resistance training program and during anaerobic or intermittent exercise. In subjects performing endurance exercise where growth hormone release is low, glycine would not show any benefit because this amino acid only enhances effects of growth hormone already produced. The researchers concluded, 'Acute ingestion of large p.o. doses of glycine appears to stimulate release of growth hormone and increase creatine synthesis rates. Both of these
attributes are desirable for persons undergoing progressive weight training.'(28)

More recent research lends support to the above hypothesis. In a randomized, double-blind, crossover study published in December 2000, 13 human subjects were given a supplement consisting of glycine and an L-arginine salt or a placebo over 23 days. Treatment with arginine and glycine increased the subjects mean resistance to fatigue up to 28% over the controls during acute exhaustive high-intensity anaerobic isokinetic exercise. The subjects taking glycine and arginine also experienced an overall gain in total muscle work of 10.5% more than controls.(29)

Glutamine
Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in human muscle and plasma, directly regulating both the production and wearing-down of protein and immune cell activity.(30-31) When 9 healthy subjects consumed two grams of oral glutamine 45 minutes after a light breakfast, 8 of the 9 subjects experienced elevated plasma growth hormone within 90 minutes. 'These findings demonstrate,' the study authors wrote, 'that a surprisingly small oral glutamine load is capable of elevating…plasma growth hormone.'(32)

In the small intestine, glutamine is converted into citruline, which in turn triggers the synthesis of arginine, an amino acid shown to release growth hormone in some studies. Moreover, glutamine is converted into glutamate, which can directly enhance growth hormone secretion.

GABA
Gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) is the brains major inhibitory neurotransmitter. Studies have shown it is responsible for both the rise of growth hormone (when at rest) or the inhibition of growth hormone (when exercising).(33-35) Oral GABA supplementation has increased growth hormone levels in humans. In one study, a single oral dose of 5 grams of gamma aminobutyric acid administered to 19 subjects significantly elevated plasma growth hormone levels compared to placebo-treated controls.(36)

Additional Benefits
Each of the amino acids discussed here offers a number of other benefits beyond their potential role in growth hormone release. For example, glutamine shifts the fuel for muscle from glucose to fatty acids and accelerates fat burning. Glutamine is also a precursor for the antioxidant glutathione, which protects the liver. Supplemental glutamine has shielded the body from stress by deflecting cortisol damage, and has prevented the muscle wasting associated with cortisol treatments.(37-39) Another example is ornithine, which is an important constituent of the urea cycle and, together with arginine, an important immunity-enhancing nutrient. Ornithine may help reduce
elevated ammonia levels seen after exercise, a benefit that can result in reduced fatigue.(40)

Given the number of benefits amino acids produce independently of growth hormone release, whether or not they act as growth hormone secretagogues may not be the most important consideration in adding them to a supplementation regimen.

Amino Acids Study Results
Intravenous Ornithine Produces a five-fold increase in serum growth hormone in humans.
Ornithine Increased serum growth hormone in bodybuilders, up to four times the baseline level.
Arginine 250 mg/kg/day of oral arginine aspartate given to five healthy subjects for seven days caused a 60% rise in GH during slow wave sleep compared to the control period.
Arginine and Ornithine In a double-blind study, adult males participating in a 5-week progressive strength-training program who consumed 2 grams of L-arginine and 1 gram of L-ornithine experienced significantly higher total strength and lean body mass scores and excreted less urinary hydroxyproline than placebo-treated subjects.
Ornithine Alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) Significantly increased IGF-1 and growth hormone levels in trauma patients. In healthy subject, OKG increased tissue levels of growth-hormone-releasing glutamine.
Arginine and lysine 1200 milligrams of arginine pyroglutamate combined with L-lysine hydrochloride significantly elevated biologically active growth hormone from two to eight times the baseline value in 15 healthy male subjects aged 15 to 20 years old.
Arginine and lysine 1,500 mg arginine and 1,500 mg lysine increased GH in young men only during resting conditions.
Glycine In 19 normal, non-obese subjects, 6.75 grams of glycine increased growth hormone levels up to 300 to 400 percent that of baseline.
Glycine and L-arginine Increased
the subjects mean resistance to fatigue up to 28% over the controls during acute exhaustive high-intensity anaerobic isokinetic exercise and produced an overall gain in total muscle work of 10.5% more than controls.
Gamma Aminobutyric Acid (GABA) A single oral dose of 5 grams of GABA administered to 19 subjects significantly elevated plasma growth hormone levels compared to placebo-treated controls.
Glutamine Two grams of oral glutamine resulted in elevated plasma growth hormone in 8 of 9 subjects tested.
 
I've read that paper before and according to it, GABA seems to be the only one that shows any promise. Everything else appears to be a waste.
 
Glycine In 19 normal, non-obese subjects, 6.75 grams of glycine increased growth hormone levels up to 300 to 400 percent that of baseline.
Glycine and L-arginine Increased
the subjects mean resistance to fatigue up to 28% over the controls during acute exhaustive high-intensity anaerobic isokinetic exercise and produced an overall gain in total muscle work of 10.5% more than controls.

Waste in what context?
Don't see how the above example is a waste...and that is just one example.
A study is a study...you can always find ones that refute others. This paper is pretty comprehensive...not just some isolated study from so and so...and with nothing to be gained monetary or product wise. Anyway...just saying.
 
Glycine
Glycine is a nonessential amino acid contained in gelatin protein and is an important component of collagen. Although much of the early research revolved around glycines ability to increase strength in athletes, more recent studies have documented that oral glycine can indeed raise growth hormone levels in humans. In fact, researchers have hypothesized that the reason glycine has been found to increase muscle strength in many studies, (with females experiencing a 22% increase and men a 32% increase in cycle ergometry workloads after ingestion of 5 to 12 grams of glycine daily) may be the result of its growth-hormone-boosting capabilities.(24)

One study clearly illustrated glycines ability to act as a GH secretagogue. When 19 normal, non-obese subjects consumed 6.75 grams of glycine orally, growth hormone levels significantly increased for 3 hours, reaching a maximum of 3 to 4 times that of baseline at 2 hours. Interestingly, the only group of subjects not deriving a growth-hormone-boosting benefit from glycine was non-obese diabetics. According to the researchers, 'glycine is one of the stimulatory agents inducing the pituitary gland to secrete hGH.'(25)

On the other hand, another study of eight men revealed that six or twelve grams of glycine daily for 10 weeks could increase urine creatine levels, but did not improve grip
strength.(26) These same disappointing results were upheld in a double-blind, crossover study of 33 football players given a placebo or 5 grams of glycine daily. After consuming glycine for 21 days, the subjects did not experience any noticeable benefit to work output.(27)

After reviewing the above studies, one group of researchers hypothesized that the reason glycine showed no effect in the later trials is because glycine enhances growth hormone levels already produced during a whole-body resistance training program and during anaerobic or intermittent exercise. In subjects performing endurance exercise where growth hormone release is low, glycine would not show any benefit because this amino acid only enhances effects of growth hormone already produced. The researchers concluded, 'Acute ingestion of large p.o. doses of glycine appears to stimulate release of growth hormone and increase creatine synthesis rates. Both of these
attributes are desirable for persons undergoing progressive weight training.'(28)

More recent research lends support to the above hypothesis. In a randomized, double-blind, crossover study published in December 2000, 13 human subjects were given a supplement consisting of glycine and an L-arginine salt or a placebo over 23 days. Treatment with arginine and glycine increased the subjects mean resistance to fatigue up to 28% over the controls during acute exhaustive high-intensity anaerobic isokinetic exercise. The subjects taking glycine and arginine also experienced an overall gain in total muscle work of 10.5% more than controls.(29)
You're right... after reading about arginine, ornithine, and lysine i must have skimmed thru the rest too fast. Arginine + glycine does sound good. I'm not arguing that certain combo's of amino acids have biological activity... What i meant by a waste is that gh just doesn't do what most people think it will. Also arginine has been shown to inhibit the reduction of GH due to increased IGF-1 levels. In terms of growth it would be mostly indirect by reducing catabolic/proteolysis activity. It also helps with blood glucose and nutrient partioning and also increased lipolysis.

Personally, i'd rather just inject gh if i want more... it's proven to work every time and can be controlled to give you the benefits you want. Also, from my experience with gh, it's overrated in terms of it muscle building abilities. I've takien it by itself and with anabolics. Most of it's effects is lipolytic and most anabolic gains were from the gear that i took with gh. If anabolic performance is what you're after, igf-1 does a better job. But if you're interested in GH from an aging man's perspective (over 40) and/or for its other health benefits, then gh is the way.
 
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