Im not saying shut IGF-1 out totally, if you want it go buy ZMA, but you really want to get your hands on HGH if you wanna see growth.
 
HGH, works best with a synergist. It alone and the amount of IU's it would take is incredible. The cheapest kit of real HGH is gonna run you about $1000
a month. Don't forget to get it from a DR. because most guys will fuck you with HCG. It looks the same but at 1/100th the price. It works great with test. And the shutting down of your own testosterone is lessened but, Look at all the people taking it. No mega-penises. Not trying to be negative, I just work with a lot a national caliber BB's and athletes and it doesn't work that way. The theory isn't bad, but in application it doesn't happen.
 
And another thing, People have tried to .......sight inject with HGH in their penises just like they do with winstrol or test propionate, to inflame the localized tissue into growing. All they do is end up with sore dicks.........lol
But its true, doesn't work like that
 
stillwantmore said:
So, are we implying that cold wraps or perhaps a cup of ice water may be a good idea for post girth work??

yeah, see like i know that when you lift and other workouts extra blood get flushed into that area which makes it swell causing microtears and what not for growth.
then, after workouts they say that even though heat brings more nutrients and oxyegen to the area through vascularization, right after workouts it really only causes these microtears to bleed (bad swelling) and other complications that slow the healing process in tissues.
so, cold water after a workout provides quicker recovery, as it causes blood to clot at the micro tears in muscle and applying cold to traumatized tissue will reduce spasms and increase local blood flow, levels of oxygen and metabolism and the constriction of the blood vessels gets rid of metabolic wastes generated by training.
considering ive pieced this all together from reading on how to treat injuries and recover after workouts, i think this should be able to be applied to the penis as well since it is spongy tissue. i like it and i notice a huge difference from doing nothing or applying heat.
also i was wondering in connection with other workouts do you think a 1 day on 1 day off, 5 on 2 off, or 3 days a week technique (similar to lifting) is better for gains? i mean since growth comes from healing and actual work which is only supposed to stimulate growth.
ive read that when you lift you should finish with one rep left in you b/c if you overwork it just puts stress on the central nervous system and makes recovery longer.
my routine right now is 200 jelqs a day with 3 (im considering five) min cold shower on the unit afterwards. im starting to wonder if i should only every other day or maybe even 3 days a week to gain. i dont know, im open for discussion.
couple things that are interesting is that when you workout your testosterone peaks 30 min in and bottoms out 60 min in after that another element (i forgot the name) is released that eats at muscle tissue, and sleeping after working out is good b/c thats when anabolic agents are most present in the body.
 
shojii said:
But, you need the anabolism of IGF-1 to make the HGH that much more effective

No HGH is released into the blood stream, once it goes to the liver, it is changed to IGF-1. IGF-1 is what is responsible for growth in the body, HGH just triggers it
 
shojii said:
But, you need the anabolism of IGF-1 to make the HGH that much more effective

HGH makes IGF-1 not the other way around.
 
stillwantmore said:
So, are we implying that cold wraps or perhaps a cup of ice water may be a good idea for post girth work??

I also wonder if taking say....oh, 200mg of Viagra might induce a temporary state of "super erection" mimicking Priapism? I know it's dangerous to mess around with this type of stuff....but, if done so in a very careful and controlled manner....why not? I've taken 100mg of Viagra before ....maybe ya could experiment say, over a week's time. Day one, you take 100mg of Viagra, day two you take 125mg, and so on. Upping the once a day dose of Viagra by 25mg until you found the "magic number" so to speak. This would all depend on how you respond individually to Viagra. Hmm......and with generic Viagra being equally as effective and yet, so much cheaper....it would be interesting.

Exactly. You'd slowly work up over a period of weeks or even a month. If you went up to fast you might run the risk of having not only what you had taken today, but what you took yesterday. Although having said that I don't know how quickly they exit your bloodstream, and in reality they probably have different times that they last, depending on the drug.

I agree also its about how you would respond. So you'd have to start really low, which I'm sure doctors recommend anyway. I would still workout doing this but in honesty I'd bet you'd see results over time even with no working out. With steroids you dont' even have to go to the gym. Many do because they are addicted but you'd still see major results with just the roids and eating when you got hungry, (which would be a lot).
 
I am trying to Order IGF-1LR3 it is proving more diffictult than I thought.
 
IGF-1 is the master hormone in your body, by increasing this, it increses every other hormone as well. In doing so, I think I can increase my penis growth.
 
AncientChina said:
ebon00, what do you think of the ROP, or if there could be any testosterone supply problems when stopping the use of the ROP? Just out of curiousity.

Not sure if there could be a shutdown as there is when you add testosterone (or derivatives) into your body, but most testosterone boosters tend to come with a slight supression in post-supplement hormonal levels until the body catches up to the fact that it has to do all the work itself. Like I said, I'm much more concerned with having a weak magnetic field near your genitals.

randolf said:
At the same time I've seen 350 pound steroid monsters at gyms before, so they are not a zero net gain.

No they're not but the addition of anabolics to the (relative) status quo environment of the human body does cause a shutdown in endogenous testosterone. The reason there are 350 lbs monsters walking around is because they inject (or swallow) testosterone derivatives/precursors that amounts to more than the body would produce itself.

randolf said:
I do not know what Hyperemiation is, can you elaborate on it?

Simply means forcing more blood into a tissue than it usually handles. The pump in bodybuilding is hyperemiation for example. So is trapping in Penis Enlargement and penis pumps. And of course, your example of priapism is the ultimate hyperemiation.

Supra said:
I am going to check out, mystatin, IGF-1LR3 and HGH

If you mean myostatin then that involves only muscle fiber tissue and would have little, if any, effect on penile tissue (since the muscle tissue there isn't fibrous in the way that skeletal muscle is). Remember, precious little of the penis is actually muscle tissue; it's the collagenous tissue and the sponge-like CC that's interesting from an enlargement standpoint.

randolf said:
I'm thinking a lot of these man made vasolidators, could effectively do the same thing. I know with vasolidators if you take to much you run the risk of a priapism.

Since vasolidators simply expand the capillaries to allow for more flow of blood they alone won't cause a similar effect as priapism; for that you also need something to trap the blood in the penis and maintain an erection. Maintaining the erection could of course be handled manually but that would get tiresome real fast. Viagra, or generic/herbal/whatever equivalents, might help but taking it with vasolidators doesn't sound like a good idea. Neither does the increasing the dosage plan. Even though Viagra is supposedly site-specific there have been reported side effects and as far as I know there has been no test of long-term toxicity when it comes to large dosages. But I like the idea of mimicking priapism. Doing it manually after a good girth session while using a pliable penis ring might do the trick.

blue1214198203 said:
couple things that are interesting is that when you workout your testosterone peaks 30 min in and bottoms out 60 min in after that another element (i forgot the name) is released that eats at muscle tissue, and sleeping after working out is good b/c thats when anabolic agents are most present in the body.

The other element is called cortisol. Contrary to popular opinion it's not advisable to sleep after a workout. A Penis Enlargement workout maybe, but not a weight workout. After the workout you need to replenish the body's stores of glycogen to ward of catabolism. Otherwise cortisol runs rampant. Now, if you go to sleep after trying to make use of the anabolic window of opportunity (nutrient uptake is much improved for about 60-90 min following a workout) you lose the benefits because sleep lowers your metabolic rate so that the body can't use the nutrients you've ingested. So the gain in anabolic agents due to sleep is cancelled out by the fact that cortisol gets a free field of play.
 
stillwantmore said:
So, are we implying that cold wraps or perhaps a cup of ice water may be a good idea for post girth work??

I also wonder if taking say....oh, 200mg of Viagra might induce a temporary state of "super erection" mimicking Priapism? I know it's dangerous to mess around with this type of stuff....but, if done so in a very careful and controlled manner....why not? I've taken 100mg of Viagra before ....maybe ya could experiment say, over a week's time. Day one, you take 100mg of Viagra, day two you take 125mg, and so on. Upping the once a day dose of Viagra by 25mg until you found the "magic number" so to speak. This would all depend on how you respond individually to Viagra. Hmm......and with generic Viagra being equally as effective and yet, so much cheaper....it would be interesting.

Well if taking Viagra would induce the type of erection that would somewhat mimick Priapism then I guess we will be revisiting the old post that was about Penis Enlargement and Viagra link to gains huh?? It could be possible, also since DLD takes Viagra on a daily basis I believe and look at his stats. However for me I think Viagra would be too expensive for me to keep up everyday and I would also hope that I dont become Dependent on it when its time for sex.
 
I think that this cold wrap thing really has nothing to do with what this thread was about!!! Thanks a lot SWM!!! I got my eyes on you, you ghost turd!!! :D
 
Supra said:
HGH makes IGF-1 not the other way around.
In bodybuilding the use of insulin increases the effectiveness of HGH exponentially. Unfortunately, it increases the anabolism everywhere. That plus the water retention creates the preggo guts in BB's.
 
Myostat is a hormone that keeps our body from growing to fast, if you neutolize it, you will get bigger, faster
 
DLD was telling me that they are trying growth factor injects as a alternative to this micro revascularization surgery to help regrow arteries that are blocked and un block them
 
Supra said:
Myostat is a hormone that keeps our body from growing to fast, if you neutolize it, you will get bigger, faster
That is very true, We have seen a bunch of otc myostatin blockers that haven't promised what say they. The true blockers are the anabolics.
 
Ive been a personal trainer to long...Sigh.... :D
 
Supra said:
Ive been a personal trainer to long...Sigh.... :D
Ya but what other job can you smack a women in the ass say, "ten more" and get paid by the husband afterward.......????
 
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