Creatine vs. Whey Protein

Originally posted by Scrub Ducky
Well I got a big tub of creatine and whey protein.Now can I take the creatine with cranberry juice instead of grape juice?

Also, since I'm going to be taking both the protein and creatine, how should I go about doin it?Like, 1 day protein, 1 day creatine or a little bit of both after a workout?

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In the long run the type of juice wouldnt really matter, as long as you take in sufficient amount of carbs, and that they are high glycemic, and quick digesting (grape juice just happens to fit those criteria nicely).
Read this article:
http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/186nutri.html
This is the best advice to follow re taking protein and creatine around your workout.

I have studied a lot on creatine and Whey since i did some mild Bodybuilding. Anyway Creatine helps super hydrating your muscles. IT causes your body to absorb a lot more water and retain it in the muscles. Probably the secopnd or third day into the loading phase you will notice your urine turn yellow. This is because your body is retaining that water so you need to drink more. If i remember correctly when on creatine and doing any excercises you want to drink 1-1.5 gallons of water a day.

What Whey does is supplies you with the necessary protein to rebuild the muscle tears you created after a workout. IF you dont have enough protein in your body then your body will begin to take away from other parts of your systems functions to rebuild those muscles. Its best to take your protein shake within one hour of the workout. Same with your creatine because after a workout your creatin uptake is increased. Many people recommend just spooning the dose of creatine in your mouth then washing it down with your shake or water. Thats what i do. It will take a while to get used to the chalky taste but its not hard.

Hope this helps

how manyc ups of water is 1.5 gallon?

Originally posted by streetdreamer02
how manyc ups of water is 1.5 gallon?

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192 oz, so about 24- Eight Ounce cups

It doesn't matter if you have to choose between protien and steroids... you'll still gain more muscle by taking the protien without the steroids than you would by taking the steroids and no protien... protien is essential to muscle growth because that's what muscles are...PROTIEN.

Definantly go with the protien! and take the creatine as an extra, if you can afford it.

What brand of creatine did you get?

It should tell you on the container how to take the creatine, most of the time you have to load up on the stuff the first 4-5 days taking 15-20g a day, then after that you need 5-7g a day. I tried some about 7 years ago, I think it's cheaper now than when I tried it. I loaded up on the stuff like it told me on the container, the tub I bought was just big enough for the loading period, I had some other things come up,so I didn't have the money to buy more of it. When I was on the 4th or 5th day of loading, I was getting some very good pumps while lifting,especially in my arms.

What brand of whey protein did you get?

I just recently started lifting again and been using optimum nutrition 100% whey in chocolate flavor, probably one of the best protein powders on the market. It has 23g of protein in each scoop,also has over 3.5g of glutamine & glutamine precursors and 5g of BCAAs in each scoop. It even taste good with just water, I tried a protein powder in the past and even with mixing it with water in the blender it taste like I was drinking cement. The ON 100% whey is good stuff, highly reccomend the stuff. It tastes gooood :bottumsup Right now I'm trying to lower my bodyfat% without losing muscle, once I get my bodyfat% down lower and start to bulk up, I'm thinking about trying creatine again and seeing what happens.

Check out www.prosourceonline.com

Click on the Prosource brand of supplements in the drop-down window on the right. They have a 1000gram tub of creatine for under 30 bucks and their Whey Protien Isolate is the best tasting and more pure than Whey protien concentrate....the same kind they use in hospital's, with no carb's.

Their's probably protien just as good out there with the same price as long as you find the Whey Isolate...not concentrate.

Good Luck

I do recall reading a few studies a couple years back that determined that a "loading phase" really was not that necessary in the long run. If you want to save money,skip the loading phase.

My Favorite creatine is EAs Phosphagen and Favorite Protein is NtroTech by MuscleTech ( I never like their Creatine Cell Tech too much though). Its been a couple years so there may be better stuff out now, not sure.

If your family is prone to kidney stones, it is absolutely essential that you stay hydrated. Drink a glass of water every hour or half-hour. Even if you're not thirsty, force yourself to suck it down. Here's a little tip: Keep an index card or piece of scratch paper in your pocket and take it with you all day. If you're at work or school, take it out where it is visible. Use it to keep a tally of your daily water intake. It is a great way to see it and remind yourself if you slack off and don't get enough water intake.

you can take both. If you take creatine, also take Glucosomine, its a joint supplement. Creatine can lead to sore, injured joints. Whey protein is the ultimate protein source, so if you want to supplement at all definitely go with whey. I've been taking whey for a while and it's helped, but I'm going to start taking Creadrive(creatine with taurine)with glucosomine, since my joints have never been good in the first place. Kids on my football team have definitely benefited from creatine, you jus tneed to cycle it right and take it as directed and with lots of water. Drink lots of milk too, its as vitally important as any other supplement.

bigbutnottoo said:

I do recall reading a few studies a couple years back that determined that a "loading phase" really was not that necessary in the long run. If you want to save money,skip the loading phase.

My Favorite creatine is EAs Phosphagen and Favorite Protein is NtroTech by MuscleTech ( I never like their Creatine Cell Tech too much though). Its been a couple years so there may be better stuff out now, not sure.

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True, there was also a study saying that you only need around 3g/day to keep a max level. So take 5g/day and you're good to go.

I would not necesarily say Whey is the best for everything. Some other proteins such as cassein (sp?) are slower absorbtion and may be better for some people/situations.

bigbutnottoo said:

I would not necesarily say Whey is the best for everything. Some other proteins such as cassein (sp?) are slower absorbtion and may be better for some people/situations.

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Definitely, a mix of the two is best. Except after your workout, then use only whey.

I saw a study showing how quickly whey is digested, and alot of it is burned up before it can go to use..

take both, just dont take as much creatine as advertised. after a loading phase you can maintain that level of creatine in your muscles by simply taking 5 grams of creatine a day beyond that. and then make sure you drink 8 ounces of water extra everyday for every 5 grams of creatine you are taking.

quijjiboo said:

Definitely, a mix of the two is best. Except after your workout, then use only whey.

I saw a study showing how quickly whey is digested, and alot of it is burned up before it can go to use..

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You are correct.

I take a 100% whey shake post-workout and I take a scoop of Isomatrix (best blend on the market) every night before bed.

blue1214198203 said:

and then make sure you drink 8 ounces of water extra everyday for every 5 grams of creatine you are taking.

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Personally, I would recommend going beyond that. I say a minimum of 16 glasses per day, preferably more like 25-35. Anytime I exercise, I make sure I drink 4-6 glasses per workout and then try to drink at least one glass per hour all through the rest of the day. Then when you factor in drinking water with meals, pills you might be taking, etc., it's really not hard to hit that 25-35 range.

I dont think we should vs Creatine to protein. Protein is Essential to Body building else your muscles cannot rebuild, efficiently. I think if we were to get the best benefits from these supplements would be to use both. Not one or the other!!

penguinsfan said:

Personally, I would recommend going beyond that. I say a minimum of 16 glasses per day, preferably more like 25-35. Anytime I exercise, I make sure I drink 4-6 glasses per workout and then try to drink at least one glass per hour all through the rest of the day. Then when you factor in drinking water with meals, pills you might be taking, etc., it's really not hard to hit that 25-35 range.

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well, i add 8 ounces for every 5 grams to my base gallon of water that i drink every day, so i get what youre saying

I have been working out for about 2 years now. I tried Cell-Tech for a while and didn't really see any good gains. I took a break from suppliments and just worked out normally. Then I tried Nitro-Tech for a while and got great gains very quickly. I took Nitro-Tech for half the time I took Cell-Tech and got 5 times more gains. During the time when I took Cell-Tech my max benchpress went from 250-265 over. During the time when I took Nitro-Tech my max benchpress went from 265-300. Any ideas why I got much better gains with Nitro-Tech?

Because Cell tech is overhyped bullshit that I found just bloated me. And NitroTech is the protein, right?