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Which one of these helps to build bulky muscle faster?

Some info about me.I know some of this is important if your gonna take creatine...
I'm young...18
My family DOES have a history of kidney stones/problems
I have a very high metabolism

Thank you very much :)
 
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Whey Protein.

Stay away from creatine. I've known many people who have taken it and soon had joint problems. Also, they lost about 10 pounds after getting off creatine because of the water gain you experience while taking it.

The point of creatine is making muscles heal faster. This means you can do more reps in the gym in your later sets, can have longer workouts, and you don't have to take a 2 day break after an intense workout. Your muscles heal up quicker, but your joints do not.

It also makes your body retain too much water . This is why many people on creatine have that 'bloated' muscle look. It's fairly obvious when someone is on it. You can gain up to 15 pounds of extra water weight while on it.

Stick with the natural stuff. Eat a LOT of protein, if you weigh 130 pounds, try eating 200 grams a day. The biggest part of putting on muscle is rest, rest, rest! Look up overtraining on the internet, its a big newbie mistake.
 
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Whey protein is probably your best bet...Protein is definately essential to building muscle, whereas Creatine is not.

Spektrum, you're right about what you said about Creatine causing you to retain water , but in all the research I've done on creatine, I've never found a reliable source saying anything about negative effects on joints. Providing that the user follows the proper dose amounts there should be no adverse effects with creatine.

If these people were taking well over the recommend dose then it's plausible that they may have experience some problems, but that's the case with ANY supplement. The number one tool in bodybuilding is you head...make sure you use it or you're phucked.
 
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I used to take creatine and it definatley worked better and faster than whey protein. The problem with the protein, is that you have to take a whole fuck load everyday to get minimal results.

Creatine does inflate the muscles cells with water . I dont really see how thats bad. But its more than just "water weight". When you take creatine, make sure to take it with grape juice or something else with a lot of sugar. The sucrose in sugar helps the creatine get into the cells and gets the cells to take in more water and get bigger. Which means your bigger and stronger.
 
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Actually creatine is supposed to counter the excessive water retention that most people suffer from occasionally. This happens when the stuff draws water from beneath your skin and other parts of your body, pumping it into the muscles, resulting in a lean yet muscular look. This should happen if it is used correctly.
Another important factor that should be taken into consideration when using creatine is making sure you drink enough water . This will eliminate any possible negative effects to the kidneys, and prevent your body from dehydrating too much.

I've experimented with creatine and found it to be quite unnecessary. If anything it is useful for cosmetic purposes...
but then again, that's just my opinion. Other people might experience more benefits from it. ;)
 
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i think it works pretty well. But your right, after you drink the creatin mixed with the juice, drink plenty of water throughout the day, everyday.
 
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Great Posts you guys.
I think I might just buy a little of both and test both of them.I have already been using whey protein for quite some time, because I wanted to stick with natural stuff, but I'm not that happy with where I am.I also know a guy who uses protein and he got huge in like 6 months.

When your on creatine you need to drink to hydrate your body, I now know that...but do you get thirsty?It'll be harder to keep up if not.
 
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...but do you get thirsty?It'll be harder to keep up if not.
Not necessarily. That's why it is crucial to drink close to a gallon every day to ensure that you stay properly hydrated. Your body might not signal you to drink more, so you have to remember to do it even if you're not feeling all that thirsty.
 

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BOTH.


Also as far as creatine and water -most of your muscle is in fact made up of water , so that is beneficial.

I am currently doing my own study of:

Creatine vs. Whey vs. NO2

and all combinations.
 
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Originally posted by Scrub Ducky
Great Posts you guys.
I think I might just buy a little of both and test both of them.I have already been using whey protein for quite some time, because I wanted to stick with natural stuff, but I'm not that happy with where I am.I also know a guy who uses protein and he got huge in like 6 months.

When your on creatine you need to drink to hydrate your body, I now know that...but do you get thirsty?It'll be harder to keep up if not.
Your age probably has a little something to do with not being able to grow. I gained about 5 pounds a year when I was lifting at 18. Now at 21, I'm gaining about 5 pounds a month, maybe a little more. There's an old saying in bodybuilding, "Eat big, get big". It's working for me.

You also said you have a history of kidney stones. DRINK WATER ! and lots of it. Go the bathroom when you feel the urge. My family also has a history of them and the horror stories they tell me are terrible.
 
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Whey protein is a relatively inexpensive and concentrated means of increasing the protein in your diet. Pound for pound, it is cheaper than things like poultry, fish and beef.

If you are body building, you'll want to increase your protein intake because that is what is used to build your own muscles.

You can do it with natural food, like chicken, but if you have a really high metabolism, you have to eat a lot of it, which is where whey protein can be useful.

Creatine, on the other hand, is simply a cell energy source. It may help get you one or two more reps in the weight lifting gym.

It does also tend to cause people to pick up 5lbs or so of water retention, but it is in the muscles, so that's good. But 5lbs spread around all the muscle tissue isn't all that noticeable.

Creatine is pretty cheap, though, as far as suppliments go.
 
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The biggest advantage of whey protein is its fast absorption rate, meaning that your body will process and utilize the stuff very quickly.
(compare to quick carbs and low glycemic carbs versus whey and, say, casein)

This is only beneficial immediately after you've worked out though, since your body is primed to take high glycemic nutrients to counter the catabolic process that kicks after a workout session. At any other time of the day something like casein (milk protein) or egg protein would be a better choice because they absorb slowly and don't cause a rise in your insulin levels, insuling being the hormone that is primarily responsible for controlling your bodyfat accumulation.

Casein and egg protein can also be found at places like GNC. I agree with bobbdobbs on the cost efficiency of protein powders, because let's face it, we can't all afford to have 4-6 meals of poultry, fish or beef every single day.
 
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Creatine IS the cheaper of the two choices. However, it will not help you pack on much muscle. Most of the "weight gain" is in fact water being retained more in your muscles. Also, if you are taking your creatine with grape juice or, it is a very high carbohydrate combined creatine supplement such as Muscle Tech's "Cell Tech" (around 75 grams of simple carbs per serving), the weight gain you see is probably FAT gain. Creatine buffs...the guys who are the hard core users that swear by the stuff....as well as the companies (Like Muscle Tech or ProLab) strongly advocate that you take your creatine with a high carbohydrate beverage. WHY? Because the high dose of carbs taken at the time of creatine consumption (Muscle Tech sez their "research" indicates you need at least 75 mg of carbs) is supposed to cause an 'insulin spike' and this in turn, is supposed to help your system absorb the creatine ("dump it" into your system is usually the term they use) more effectively.

All this of course creates problems for people looking to add muscle mass and at the same time lose body fat. It becomes an uphill battle. Not to mention the fact that if you have diabetes or a family history of it, you better not be messing with your insulin levels like this.

Whey protien is the better choice but usually more expensive. If you need to add 150+ grams of protien to your daily protien intake to gain the muscle mass you need, ...that's a lot of protien shakes. At least 3 shakes a day even with milk (mmm bovine hormones....mmm...hope you dont have a family history of cancers too). Youre also looking at making a pretty drastic (for most people anyway) dietary change. Shopping for food at the grocery store becomes a hunt for protien rich foods. Milk, eggs, meats, seafood, especially TUNA. From what I recall TUNA is about the best and least expensive source of concentrated protien. VERY CLEAN source too. Meaning theres nothing extra in the tuna. Something like 25-30 grams of protien in one .60 cent can of tuna.

So I guess the best bet is to analyze your budget and see how high of a protien intake you can afford :D. I remember when I was working out more in the Marines and would read "Muscle Mag" or similar pubs. I would read about these body builders who supposedly consumed 300 or 400+ grams of protien a day. I was like, damn how the hell they afford that, their growth hormones or steroids and living....oh wait, they have corporate sponsors!:bottumsup
 
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Whey protein all the way, i've been taking it for sometime now....i've gained about 5-7 pounds of muscle so far, i lift 1 on and 1 off type routine..mostly upper body.


i recommend 100% whey protein, mint flavor..tastes very good with skim milk. :)
 
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Whey protein is essential if you are working out and want to add muscle. The difference between trainers who gain and trainers who suck is DIET (whey protein is food, not a supplement). More calories + more protein is the key, believe me on this one.

I also think creatine is beneficial, and won't cause you any side effects even at 18. It will help you gain faster, and you'll have some extra temorary size while you are on it. But dont worry about looking bloated, the water stored is intracellular. Muscles perform and recover optimally when they are super-hydrated.

Btw, protein and creatine are about the only two effective 'supplements ' for gaining muscle, props to you for choosing them.
 
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Originally posted by stillwantmore
I would read about these body builders who supposedly consumed 300 or 400+ grams of protien a day. I was like, damn how the hell they afford that, their growth hormones or steroids and living....oh wait, they have corporate sponsors!:bottumsup
and gay sugar-daddy sponsors rofl
 
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Originally posted by Spektrum

Stick with the natural stuff. Eat a LOT of protein, if you weigh 130 pounds, try eating 200 grams a day. The biggest part of putting on muscle is rest, rest, rest! Look up overtraining on the internet, its a big newbie mistake.
Can i just say something here, There is nothing Unnatural about Creatine. Your body nautrually makes it, and the foods you eat contain it.
 
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yeah, creatine is in fish and eggs. the powder is just the synthetic form, i think.
 
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Well I got a big tub of creatine and whey protein.Now can I take the creatine with cranberry juice instead of grape juice?

Also, since I'm going to be taking both the protein and creatine, how should I go about doin it?Like, 1 day protein, 1 day creatine or a little bit of both after a workout?
I usually work out 6 on 1 off.

Thanks to the mod who moved this thread,for some reason I didnt see this health and fitness board.Im a wetard :p
 
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Now can I take the creatine with cranberry juice instead of grape juice?
Any high-glycemic juice will do (high glycemic = simple carbs, sugar) ;)

It doesn't necessarily have to be grape juice. I don't know why people put so much emphasis on its importance, since it is just one among many of the alternatives.

BTW, your 6 on 1 off workout routine seems like a bit much to me... I'd say you would get better results by decreasing the amount of days you work out. Try something like a 4 day split routine for starters, that should allow your muscles to recover properly! :)

Oh yeah, and take the protein post workout, mixed with WATER . This is crucial, because if you mix it with milk it'll absorb much slower, resulting in the catabolic process (muscle tissue breakdown which kicks in after a workout) being prolonged. The whey with water alone will be put to use by your body almost immediately. Also take a good multivitamin after each workout session.

They should both be taken every day to see the desired effects. Creatine can be taken at almost any time of the day, I prefer 1 dose in the morning and 1 in the evening.

And always remember to eat 4-6 evenly spaced meals every day. This will keep your insulin levels steady and your energy and mood high! Your protein intake should be 150-200 grams for starters, divided equally among the meals. Aim for about 30 grams of it per meal.
 
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