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Hello gents,

I had the Elist implant "experience" (insertion, infection, removal) and recently had dr Elist remove some scar tissue. I am back to square one (before PE surgery) except with less money and a numb dorsal shaft from nerve damage.

I consulted with both Dr Elist and Dr Rosenthal about getting the ligs cut because my goals are to:
1) become a shower not a grower (stop turteling)
2) gain flaccid length
3) gain erect length

Dr Elist refuses to do a lig cut on me because he believes that people more often heal shorter because of scar tissue retraction. He also says I'm too lean (I'm a tall skinny long distance runner) to get a lig cut because there isn't any fat to stitch into the defect to stop lig reattachment.

I had a consultation/evaluation with Dr Rosenthal and he said that people only have scar tissue retraction problems from the old VY method. He only does the contemporary horizontal incision method. Dr Rosenthal also said that you don't need to stitch fat into the defect because he removes so much tissue that he rarely ever sees his patients reattach.

Dr Elist believes that ligaments are more elastic then scar tissue and Dr Rosenthal believes scar tissue is more elastic then ligaments. So Rosenthal is pro lig cut and Elist is against the lig cut.

I want to hear from those who have had or personally know someone who have had their ligs cut:

1) should I contact Dr Gary Alter for a third opinion and evaluation? (he is expensive so not my first choice)
2) did you stop turteling after your lig cut?
3) are you happy with your lig cut and would you recommend a lig cut to a guy like me
4) any other advice and comments are appreciated

I've tried Manuel PE, traction devices, hanging and pumps way before PE surgery (about 7 years experience) and found that all gains are always lost when I discontinue PE, even when I were consistent for a long period of prescribed time. My penis and ligs seem to have a "use it or lost it" phenomenon like you would muscle growth except in terms of flexibility and expandibility.

All the best brothers,

-cvbbc
 
I would avoid dr elist like the plague. He has hurt a lot of men, do more research!
 
acromegaly;686038 said:
I would avoid dr elist like the plague. He has hurt a lot of men, do more research!

Yea he nearly ruined the OPs' penis, yet the OP wants to know if he should go back to him again, or someone else.

You're (OP) really asking on the wrong forums. We're not that supportive of PE surgery here. Check out somewhere like phalloboards. You can google them.
 
Whatever you do dont go in the phallo boards, they suck. I've never been because surgical enlargement simply doesn't work. Also I've seen pics of the elist experience and I thought it looked totally weak, even done right. You may as well just get the experimental double slit experience
 
Actually, if you research surgery, it *can* work, but the percentages of successful surgeries, compared to non successful are still too small.
 
stillwantmore2;686056 said:
Actually, if you research surgery, it *can* work, but the percentages of successful surgeries, compared to non successful are still too small.

Girth surgery is more successful if i'm correct?

Also OP what was the implant? (no idea what it is if you could explain)
 
Come on stilly you know there's zero chance in the world you think its of benefit. Could you really recommend any sort of filling or snipping work to someone? Even if there was a hundred percent odd for success, there's no way someone should be putting that stuff in them. I know you're with skynet and all but its not time to implode the multiverse yet %(
 
From videos and papers ive seen, the post surgery therapy is to wear an extender/hanger. So why pay for surgery when you can stay consistent and only pay for an extender/hanger/pump? I mean it beats paying over 1k for the procedure.
 
lightlyfried;686061 said:
Girth surgery is more successful if i'm correct?

Also OP what was the implant? (no idea what it is if you could explain)

Length surgery actually. Girth surgery still has the worst chances overall for success. If you get an implant, or dermal graft/implant/fat injection, you have a high chance for infection and possibly rejection of the implanted material. Even the "sterile" graft material which is from cadavers (yum) has a good chance of rejection. The lengthening surgery, if the patient follows the prescribed post of protocol of (surprised???) a weight hanging routine, has the best chance for success from what I have studied over the years.
 
templnite;686062 said:
Come on stilly you know there's zero chance in the world you think its of benefit. Could you really recommend any sort of filling or snipping work to someone? Even if there was a hundred percent odd for success, there's no way someone should be putting that stuff in them. I know you're with skynet and all but its not time to implode the multiverse yet %(

Yes, if a guy was dead set on surgery, and had the money why not? He still has to work afterward for the best results. He just has better chances for success without his suspensory ligament in the way. I'd never suggest girth surgery though.
 
stillwantmore2;686141 said:
Yes, if a guy was dead set on surgery, and had the money why not? He still has to work afterward for the best results. He just has better chances for success without his suspensory ligament in the way. I'd never suggest girth surgery though.

why so?
 
Nolove;686101 said:
From videos and papers ive seen, the post surgery therapy is to wear an extender/hanger. So why pay for surgery when you can stay consistent and only pay for an extender/hanger/pump? I mean it beats paying over 1k for the procedure.

True but again, if a guy has the money why not? It's like arguing against taking workout supplements for better results in the gym. If they were cost prohibitive, but a select few could afford them, why not take them for better results?
 
lightlyfried;686143 said:

I've said above, but again....much higher chances of rejection, infections, and future corrective surgeries needed to fix the problems from the original complications.
 
Surgery is a total waste of money in every way possible. In length surgery, where the ligaments are cut, does NOT bring any length gains in erect state and only slight gains in flaccid state. After you are done with the surgery they send you home with an extender, weights or some PE program....total hypocrisy! It should be know that DLD Blasters will do exactly what penile surgery does and this is a big reason I came up with them. In surgery they cut your ligaments so the penis can hang more freely, hence the increase in flaccid size. When doing DLD Blasters and engaging in the Reverse Kegels the exact same thing is happening, but naturally. PE is free and if you really want to invest big time, for the things that work, you are talking a very small fraction of surgery. The risks of surgery are huge and not worth it when natural PE can bring much better gains.

Think about it like this, how much would you pay for a 4" increase in length? I paid absolutely nothing.
 
stillwantmore2;686146 said:
I've said above, but again....much higher chances of rejection, infections, and future corrective surgeries needed to fix the problems from the original complications.

Hmm, I always thought if I found the right doctor and I had the disposable income i'd consider it.
 
Yeah I've seen pornos of guys who's cak was just dancing around looking all weird from the exit point. Clearly the suspensory ligs snipped off which are the first things that stretch easiest with PE. Total waste of space anyone who thinks it would make things easier
 
Even if it had a chance to work I still think you have to be slightly insane to let someone with a scalpel near your dick.
 
kak03;686332 said:
Even if it had a chance to work I still think you have to be slightly insane to let someone with a scalpel near your dick.

Don't know if this is a uk vs us thing. But over here we put a lot of faith into our doctors and surgeons. I wouldn't expect anything to go wrong with surgery.
 
lightlyfried;686360 said:
Don't know if this is a uk vs us thing. But over here we put a lot of faith into our doctors and surgeons. I wouldn't expect anything to go wrong with surgery.

As far as I know, every surgery can be a risk. So I would only do one if it's absolutely necessary, therefore any kind of cosmetic surgery is out for me.
 
Munto;686431 said:
As far as I know, every surgery can be a risk. So I would only do one if it's absolutely necessary, therefore any kind of cosmetic surgery is out for me.

Everything is a risk in that regard!
 
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