Confederate flag racist?

simple it makes the place look bad...un pro and child like.
May seem as though I am being a teacher or whatever...dont act like a fucking kid than....take the warning like the other two have....and conduct yourself in a more adult manner and dont offend members like you have...i.e. Godsize...leave it be...take the warning and stop moaning.

cya

I have decided to lock this thread.

alright....its opened again.

REDZULU2003,

If you read the threads you would know that I wasnt slurring or fighting with anybody. And when I do debate I do so in a civilized manner. Please take back your verbal warning.

I recently was sent a PM by a moderator, who is nameless, and he told me that I shouldn't start such controversial topics. Well first of all, I started a thread encouraging well thought-out opinions about the Confederate flag. And then two people spun the thread off into something totally different.

The person who sent the PM said they would give me another warning because I was responsible for the thread that started so therefore I was responsible for the posts that OTHER users post.

First of all, I am NOT responsible for other users and what they post. If you have a problem with what they are saying, address THEM, not me. I have no control for what another fully capable adult does. So, both of you, please take back your warnings.

Hey man, chill out. I was PM'd too by C-Guy and he was real nice about it. I'm sorry to have helped steer the thread off topic, but it's squashed now so forget it.

Nexus...leave it be its in the past.
The warning stays,,,not only you but two others received warnings....not for the topic...I dont mind what the hell is discussed here, but the MANNER is what I was upset about....it was getting childish and that why 3 members including ya self were warned...simple as.

Continue the Confed' flag dbate if ya wish but just remember the rules.

Originally posted by NeXus
REDZULU2003,

If you read the threads you would know that I wasnt slurring or fighting with anybody. And when I do debate I do so in a civilized manner. Please take back your verbal warning.

I recently was sent a PM by a moderator, who is nameless, and he told me that I shouldn't start such controversial topics. Well first of all, I started a thread encouraging well thought-out opinions about the Confederate flag. And then two people spun the thread off into something totally different.

The person who sent the PM said they would give me another warning because I was responsible for the thread that started so therefore I was responsible for the posts that OTHER users post.

First of all, I am NOT responsible for other users and what they post. If you have a problem with what they are saying, address THEM, not me. I have no control for what another fully capable adult does. So, both of you, please take back your warnings.

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Nexus, Not once in your "friendly advice" pm were you told that you shouldn't start controversial threads. In fact you were asked to use caution thats all.

Not once were you told that you would recieve another warning. In fact you did not receive one from me this time, I only sent you a friendly reminder.

No one said that you was responsible for what others post. In fact it read " when or if it gets out of hand it is your responsibility to get a mod or DLD to address the situation. Thats what the report this post to a moderator button on the bottom of each post is for.

Everyone here has the freedom to express their view, comments, beliefs and thoughts in a kind, mature, and intelligent way. A forum is not only a mix of personalities but also countries, religions, rituals, education among 100's of other character traits. We are never going to all agree but this does not mean people can't be kind to one another. Resorting to name calling, attack of character or the like is a bannable offense. I will not stand for personal attacks. Just because someone is different this does not give them no right to be rude or abusive.

DLD

Prickle:

>>>>>When did I ever say it was okay or "cool" to not like Jews? Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear... when I speak of "Jews" I'm talking about orthodox Jews. Are you orthodox? If you are not, then the hardcore orthodox wouldn't even consider YOU to be one of them, although you'd still gain acceptance over someone like me, a "gentile", or more accurately: a "goyem" (correct me if I misspelled that... it's a Jewish term for non-Jews which is derrogatory). You see, it's perfectly okay for the orthodox to practice segregation...but if anyone else does it, well you know the rest.


Actually, this reminds me a lot of what a friend of mine from NYC related to me about his experiences with the Greek Orthodox community. He and his family have been attending a Greek Orthodox Church now for years and have tried with earnest to be "accepted" into their community... without success. It's like a big click, and you have to be Greek to get in. Doesn't matter what kind of person you are... well actually it does....you have to be a Greek person!

Anyway, your comments about the Jewish Orthodox not accepting outsiders are spot on. But, these comments would be true for so many human groups, not just orthodox Jews. Nothing particular to Jews as far as not liking outsiders.... I'd say it's a problem with humanity in general.


Xenophobic tendencies instilled at us in birth
Are mislabelled racism
Hostilities getting worse
Accept the fact my distant cousin we cannot live in peace
Isolated environments may just be the key

Human beings, suspiscious
Soon fear grows to hate
We'll have each other by the throat
When forced to integrate
Mother soon shall watch their children die
At each other's hands
Cain and Abel set the course
Ethnocentric command!

You can run, ya goyem, ya.....but you can't hide!

Yes, sorry, I was just a little peeved, because I thougt some people were blaming me. I have no animosity against anyone hear.

But who is Metal Ed talking to? I looked throught the post and I dont think hes posted on the thread before but maybe I missed it.

To Godsize. About Homo sapiens. Not liking people who are different from them.

This reminds me of a debate I've been following in paleoanthropology. There are two schools of thought regarding the origin of modern humans: one school, the Eve theorists, theorize that Homo Sapiens arose in Africa somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 years, swept across Europe and Asia, and *replaced* all the other Homo species already living there (Neanderthals, Java Man, etc.)

Eve theorists say that ALL currently living humans are descended from these African Homo sapiens. Differences in skin color and other physical differences between ethnic groups would have come later, within the last 100,000 years, or even less for some ethnic groups. For example, white people are thought to be the result of an immigration from Africa into Europe 40,000 years ago. These immigrants evolved lighter skin tones as they moved away from the equator but remain essentially unchanged otherwise.

The other side, the multi-regionalists, believe that any humans that left Africa would have interbred with the Neanderthals and other groups of humans that they found in Europe and Asia.... not replaced them. They believe that all currently living humans are the result of this melting pot of different human "species", although the multiregionalists don't consider Neanderthals to actually be a different species from us.

The multi regionalists decry the Eve theory as the "killer African" theory. The Eve theorists, they say, are advancing a theory wherein we are all the descendants of a species of killer Africans that swept across three continents, exterminating all who were different from them.

Originally posted by NeXus
I am NOT responsible for other users and what they post.... I have no control for what another fully capable adult does.

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That is a very interesting individualist position.

Liberalism asserts a collective responsibility -- "society is to blame", "society must pay" etc.

It's not quite clear to me in the liberal ideology when people are responsible for the consequences of their own actions and when that burden should shift to society (everyone else but them.)

oh please.

I've dont even call myself a liberal. I take every issue and make my own opinion with knowledge of both sides. I give both sides credit where credit is due.

Im not blaming society for anything so I dont even know what the your talkin about. I guess according to you Im responsible for your post because I started this thread, right? So dont screw me over!

Also dont tell me about liberal ideology because its obvious your political views are screwed because your on the Right side of the spectrum.

Also, talk about blame shiftin! Is just me or dosent the Right always cry wolf about a Liberal Media Bias when something dosent go their way? Or how Rush Limbaugh blames Clinton for everything? Its the Liberal Blame Game even though Republicans control the Senate, House of Reps, Congress, media, and the White House.

Originally posted by NeXus
dont tell me about liberal ideology because its obvious your political views are screwed because your on the Right side of the spectrum.

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Actually I'm Libertarian. I'm in favor of personal freedom, which cultural conservatives oppose (drug use, ����, etc.) Being in favor of personal freedom also puts me at odds with liberals who want to regulate (hate speech, guns, etc) and tax us to death to fund their favorite little programs.

I think people should be free to do as they please as long as they aren't assaulting other people or stealing their property.

Originally posted by bobbdobbs
Actually I'm Libertarian

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Wow, I always knew I couldnt be the only one in the Penis Enlargement world.

actually most liberals think that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes and stop all these tax loop holes that the governement gives these big business cronies.

you agree with that dont you? I mean, everyone should pay the same taxes whether you are rich or poor, right? You, know equality? It seems fair to me. In fact I take it a step further, I say make the people who make $250,000 or more a year, pay more taxes. Thats more money for public services, public schools, libraries, infrastructure etc. Not to mention more money for the average American Joe like you and me. Plus their rich snobs anyway, so they wont miss it, they spend more on their maid services to clean their friggin mansion.

But I dont neccessarily agree with hate speech. Why hate? Unless their a child molestor or rapist or something. But why hate based upon race or nationality, its not like people can control where they were born or what race their parents are. Everyone has to come from somewhere.

Originally posted by NeXus
actually most liberals think that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes and stop all these tax loop holes that the governement gives these big business cronies.

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Consumers pay for all corporate taxes. All producers pass on the cost of taxes (and all other expenses) in the purchase price of the goods or services.

So when economically mis-informed liberals demand that the taxes on corporations and the "rich" be raised -- those increases are immediately passed on to the consumer in the form of price increases.

Politicians who love spending money (they always get credit for spending other people's money) love the economic ignorance of the liberal mindset. P. T. Barnum couldn't ask for bigger suckers.

I don't own one. I've never displayed one or put the stickers on my vehicles. Still, it has a personal meaning to me. I remember reading some writings of the founding fathers and they believed in a states' right to secede, if they no longer wished to be part of the Union.

I have grown quite tired of the non-productive political debate and schemes in this country. What is needed is a division into two states, one more liberal, one more conservative. I know I will never see secession, as wonderful as it would be, but the Confederate flag makes me think of what things would be like if such a dream were ever realized.

I think most people, if given the choice, would choose self-segregation. Variety IS the spice of life, though.

I just think its wrong for companies lay off people just because their profit percentage dropped a half of a point. I think we can both agree that its wrong. They're too fuckin greedy. Also, its not a democracy when big business and special interest basically picks who will run this country. Also keep in mind if taxes increases on the business, that means more money for school, infrastructure and public services, instead of the biggest national debt increase since Reagen was in office.

Just look at the 2000 election. The supreme court took the election away from the democrats. The Right needed a Republican in office. Especially since Clinton was a pretty good president. They control the media, white house and congress. If there was a "liberal" media, then people would jump on the story that Bush has been doing business with the bin Laden family and the Saudi Royal family years for before 9/11. And then after 9/11, 24 bin Laden family members were flown out of the US w/o letting the FBI or CIA question them about Osama.

Imagine if we found out Clinton had financial interest with the McVeigh family after the Oklahoma City bombing. Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh's head would explode!