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I for one am PISSED, at President Bush for proposing this bill that benefits illegal immigrants. What about your American citizens? You care more about Illegals and Iraqi's, than your own citizens!

The Bush plan would allow foreign workers to enter the country and take unfilled jobs here, as long as American employers first offered the jobs to U.S. citizens by posting them on a government Web site.

But here's the catch, the companies can offer a good $10/hr job to an American for only $5/hr, and the American will not take it. So then they give it to the illegal for $5/hr.

Karl Rove and Bush are pretty smart because they win twice. The proposed this new bill during the election year to buy the Hispanic/Latino vote. This will set up a flood of illegals skippin borders to get temporary amnesty. Last year an estimated, 700,000 people illegally entered our country, and now Bush wants to reward and encourage more illegal activity.

And the other win for them, is that with all these illegals working for 5 bucks an hour. That will send a "race to the bottom" effect where corporations and companies will use illegal immigrant labor because its cheaper than paying an American $10/hr and giving them health benefits, and no 401k or any other retirement packages.

Fucking corporate goons sending our jobs or to fuckin China, and now giving our jobs to illegals and lowering the work standard for everybody. I hate the argument that illegals take the jobs that nobody wants. Well thats because they pay the jobs so shitty w/ no benefits that no American could live off of it.

Is anyone else pissed about this proposal and at President Bush?
 
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I'm not completely up to hash on all the details, but from what I've gathered from it and I definately say that I am completely against this proposal. I personally am an advocate for the United States returning to a more isolated stance on world affairs. We are all too quick to jump in and stick our nose in other countries' affairs while our own country is crumbling beneath our feet.

The number of available jobs is ever shrinking with the continued rise of technology, and for Bush to condone a rise in illegal imigration is outright stupid.

I agree that Bush stands to gain a lot from this politically, as he is no doubt looking to pull out all stops to reassure himself a second term in the White House. Personally, I don't believe he's a good president at all, but unfortunately most of America doesn't appear to share my feeling.
 
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i disagree, i like the idea. The illegal immigrants are taking jobs that americans won't fill, mostly agricultural jobs. This helps both countries economies. Im more worried about the high tech jobs moving to India, which has nothing to do with the bill Bush wants.
 
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I rally don't know much about it, we'd probably neeed a good other side of the argument, like slayman to be able to discuss it better
 
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Nexus - I am completely in agreement with you.

However, slayman, I disagree. You are right they take the menial jobs and work for less than mininum wage. But I'd like you to think about this a little deeper, This does not benefit legal citizens in ANY way whatsoever. It only benefits the top 2 % of the wealthy who run these types of business and not only take advantage of the mexicans, but the working class as well. Of course Bush supports this as we all know, he doesn't give a fuck about the working or middle class, and will do anything to win the support of Media/Oil/Billionaire Tycoons.

The only thing these mexicans are contributing is a drain on our tax dollars, as their children are given education for taxes they aren't even paying (illegal citizens don't pay taxes) while decent working people are paying for THEIR children's education and social services. In addition, considering the fact that they breed like cockroaches, that makes another problem. These children growing up in poverty will resort to crime or welfare to support themselves. They are leeches on our society.

Look at Mexico, a third world country. Why in the hell would we want their people here? In the year 2050, if current demographic predictions hold true, Latino people will be about 40% of the people in this country. So if 40% of the people are lazy, poor, pot smoking criminals, what do you think will happen to this country? It's going to be in the shitter, just like Mexico currently is. Considering these people do not contribute economically then what they are worth, what does that tell you?

If current trends continue, I will be leaving the USA and let all you "open minded liberals" enjoy the multicultural cesspool that you will be living in.

Can't wait till one Sunday morning, 8-10 mexicans move in my neighborhood into a 3 bedroom house. Can't wait to endure all the hollering and yelling at 3 AM as they bump mexican rap out of their trunks and harass the elderly, as they throw beer cans around the yard, and turn the property into a garbage dump.

Here's a good example, look at Los Angeles, oh yeah in the 1950's all the surfing and sunshine, now look at it. The majority of the people are mexican and the place is a hell hole. The politicians are corrupt, self serving, and lobbyists for "minority interests". Why do you think the L.A. school system is the worst in the country, yet spends more money on it's students than any other??

Open your eyes folks, kick the illegals out, or just shoot them, as they sing "La Cucaracha" I will fucking treat them like one.
 
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Slayman, I do agree with you, but its funny how you made a remark about liberals. Because many on this forum would paint me as a liberal.

Illegals lower the work standard and suppress wages. Its true that if all the illegals stopped working, that our economic system would collapse. Thats because Corporate America loves cheap labor, because it makes their pockets fatter.

The same reason why they export our jobs to fuckin China. They dont care about Americans, they only care about they're prescious profit margin.
 
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Look at Mexico, a third world country. Why in the hell would we want their people here? In the year 2050, if current demographic predictions hold true, Latino people will be about 40% of the people in this country. So if 40% of the people are lazy, poor, pot smoking criminals, what do you think will happen to this country?
You sir, are exactly what is wrong with this country. People like you who take it upon themselves to lump an entire ethnic group together based upon the most negative stereotypes available. How many latinos do you actually know? If you do in fact know any, how many of them are as lazy and worthless as you proclaim? Of the latinos that I know, I can't think of a single one who fits the bill of the typical, stereotypical "Mexican." They are, in fact, some of the hardest working people that I've ever had the pleasure to become acquainted with...that's right, I said PLEASURE to become acquainted with.

Every ethnic group has their good and bad people, and for you to sit on your high horse as a fucking member of the majority and ridicule minorities who are trying to create a better life for themselves as well as future generations of their families is distasteful and very much disrespectful. You've shown me that you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about, and I would suggest that before you take it upon yourself to force your ignorant opinion upon others you take some of your "hard-earned, white middle-class American dollars" and buy yourself a fucking clue.
 
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Amen to that. Can the mods permanently ban this chimp please?
 
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I for one agree, that here is nothing wrong with Mexicans as a whole. But there is a problem with illegals crossing our borders.

It is also a Terrorism security issure. What could stop a terrorist from flying to Mexico and crossing the border, and bringing a dirty bomb into American soil??

Mexicans only make up 60% of the illegals crossing the border. So it has nothing to do with Mexicans as a whole or ethnicity, although they do make up the majority of the people country.

I dont blame illegals for wanting a better life and better work and the American dream, I blame the people in the Government, who dont do enough to keep the situation under control. And some even condone, especially people in Wal-Mart and other corporations who use cheap illegal labor.
 

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"News flash: immigrants aren't taking anything from Americans. Companies like WalMart are giving jobs to them illegally. If WalMart paid a company to hire immigrants to do the job over Americans then there's probably a good reason for it. I'm sick and tired of lazy gluttonous Americans bitching about immigrants "taking" our jobs. It's not like they can literally come to America, ambush us in the parking lot and take our jobs.

"If you lose your job to an immigrant, it's probably because he or she was willing to work harder for less money. Don't want to pay them full wages? Then don't hire them. If they do equal work, then they deserve equal pay. It's just that simple, and I'm not going to sit back like every other racist piece of shit bitching about having to work harder because there's a little competition for my job, immigrant or otherwise. I know I can do my job better than anyone, and if an immigrant thinks he can do a better job than I can, I welcome him to try.

"What kind of chicken shit pussy is afraid of competition? Can't get a job because you lost out to an immigrant? Well TOUGH SHIT. Nobody wants to pay you for your half-assed work if someone else can do it better. That's what America is all about.

"Our president may be a moron, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let any more jackasses sully the reputation of hard working Americans who are willing to work just as hard as anyone else with or without competition. If you can't cut it, then the people with money will pay it to someone else who can.

"Maybe if all you people bitching weren't such lazy, pathetic, blood sucking leeches, you'd get off of your dead ass and work HARDER to do a better job. Get some balls people. If you're too chicken shit and you can't cut it, then maybe it's you who doesn't deserve to live in America. Not the immigrants."

Source: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart
 
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We're not talking about immigrants, we're talking about illegals! There is HUGE difference.

But your right, the reason illegals come here is because there are cheap companies that will illegally hire them. And that is wrong. We need to crack down and fine and punish these companies. I agree with you there.

The reason illegals work is bad for the economy is because it drives wage standards down. The reason no American wants to pick fruit is because there's always an illegal who will work 50 hrs/wk for $1.50/hr, no overtime. What American could live off that??

If you were to stop illegal hiring, then those jobs would be forced to raise their wages and standards. Illegal-working is bad for the same reason its bad to export our jobs to India, China, Mexico, and every other cheap labor source. Thats why NAFTA sucks balls too.
 
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