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I have a bib hanger for sale , cheap too.
BIB's PE History, "Hanging Guru", creator of BIB hangers, Great read!1
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Kal,
>Bib, I believe you said that you saw your first gains in 2 weeks, right?<
Probably a week to ten days.
>Well, at what angle did you hang at in the beginning?<
SO, moving down to BTC as I stretched skin.
>Did you put the LOT theory in place right from the start?<
No. At least not from any definitive standpoint. I did a lot of research in the very beginning. Penis Enlargement knowledge was almost nil at that time. But fairly shortly, I figured out what my situation was. How I was making gains, and how to continue the gains.
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>Bib, I believe you said that you saw your first gains in 2 weeks, right?<
Probably a week to ten days.
>Well, at what angle did you hang at in the beginning?<
SO, moving down to BTC as I stretched skin.
>Did you put the LOT theory in place right from the start?<
No. At least not from any definitive standpoint. I did a lot of research in the very beginning. Penis Enlargement knowledge was almost nil at that time. But fairly shortly, I figured out what my situation was. How I was making gains, and how to continue the gains.
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Extremely inspiring and motivating. I'm gonna have to print that out and tape it to my wall.
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great thread. I told my urologist I wanted to be first in line for a penis transplant he only laughed and said good luck.
You stated you were under tension for most of the day, what was the normal weight you were using. I am hanging about 26 pounds for 20 minutes a day and whatever time that I can manage to sneak in between maids, yard men and whoever in the hell else decides to come to the door. Your gains are the dream of all of us who are into hanging. I made my own device to hang with from a 1 1/4 x 1 1/2 rubber coupling and pvc pipe. works very well and is not uncomfortable with a little corn starch rubbed on the shaft before inserting it into the coupling. I also wear an O-ring behind the head to help hold it in place.
You stated you were under tension for most of the day, what was the normal weight you were using. I am hanging about 26 pounds for 20 minutes a day and whatever time that I can manage to sneak in between maids, yard men and whoever in the hell else decides to come to the door. Your gains are the dream of all of us who are into hanging. I made my own device to hang with from a 1 1/4 x 1 1/2 rubber coupling and pvc pipe. works very well and is not uncomfortable with a little corn starch rubbed on the shaft before inserting it into the coupling. I also wear an O-ring behind the head to help hold it in place.
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I'm dating myself also, but I remember Tom Hubbards site, & Newart, the old pumping forum. I remember people dissing the ones who were really growing & it turned into a ridiculous place. Then we had Big Al, & I think DLD came from there. I had a BIB, but I had an ex cleaning my house for a while and I think she tossed it. Haven't been able to find it since...
Bib said:
What do you mean when you say that your flaccid was only pointing up and never pointing down?
Do you mean for example, that your penis hung in a 7-8 o clock position (according to the LOT test where you have an imaginary clock to measure your LOT) when flaccid?
What was your flaccid hung when you use the clock as a measuring instrument?
Bib said:
Does this mean that if you are only stretching your ligs and no tunica, the tip of your glans would be no closer to the bellybutton when measuring straight up? You will only notice gains from lig stretching when you are measuring straight out or below?
If this is the case, why are people reporting that they actually gained shaft lenght from downward hanging?
I do not understand how your penis will be longer after lig work.
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>I know that I had good early gains from this ligament stretch; from everything being pulled down and out of my body. If I had to estimate, I would say around two inches.
Bib,
How long do you think it took you to gain those first two inches?
Bib,
How long do you think it took you to gain those first two inches?
Dex,
>What do you mean when you say that your flaccid was only pointing up and never pointing down?
Do you mean for example, that your penis hung in a 7-8 o clock position (according to the LOT test where you have an imaginary clock to measure your LOT) when flaccid?<
I mean there was never ANY hang. My flaccid state was a nub.
I had, and still have, a great amount of elastin collagenous material in my shaft. I was a 'grower', and still am.
>What was your flaccid hung when you use the clock as a measuring instrument?<
10-12. There was nothing "downward" about my flaccid state.
>Does this mean that if you are only stretching your ligs and no tunica, the tip of your glans would be no closer to the bellybutton when measuring straight up?<
That is somewhat correct. Even when hanging at the lower angles, you are still stressing the outer tunica, from the shaft lig attachment to the head. You might gain some from stretching the true outer tunica, from the ligs to the head, from lower angle hanging, but that is stressing only perhaps one third of the entire tunica.
The greater gains in relation to the navel will come from upper angle hanging, stressing the entire tunica.
>You will only notice gains from lig stretching when you are measuring straight out or below?<
In relation to the navel? Yes, except for the amount of tunica gain you might have. If you mean just ordinary gains, you should see them at any angle, as long as you place the butt of the ruler into the ligs. The ligs will be longer, allowing you to place the ruler further down.
>If this is the case, why are people reporting that they actually gained shaft lenght from downward hanging?<
Because they are exposing more of the inner shaft as outer shaft, pulling the shaft out and down.
>I do not understand how your penis will be longer after lig work.<
The outer tunica will stretch and grow from downward angle hanging. But the greatest gain will come from expressing inner shaft as outer shaft, as the shaft is pulled down and out.
bdjohnson,
>How long do you think it took you to gain those first two inches?<
I believe about eight months.
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>What do you mean when you say that your flaccid was only pointing up and never pointing down?
Do you mean for example, that your penis hung in a 7-8 o clock position (according to the LOT test where you have an imaginary clock to measure your LOT) when flaccid?<
I mean there was never ANY hang. My flaccid state was a nub.
I had, and still have, a great amount of elastin collagenous material in my shaft. I was a 'grower', and still am.
>What was your flaccid hung when you use the clock as a measuring instrument?<
10-12. There was nothing "downward" about my flaccid state.
>Does this mean that if you are only stretching your ligs and no tunica, the tip of your glans would be no closer to the bellybutton when measuring straight up?<
That is somewhat correct. Even when hanging at the lower angles, you are still stressing the outer tunica, from the shaft lig attachment to the head. You might gain some from stretching the true outer tunica, from the ligs to the head, from lower angle hanging, but that is stressing only perhaps one third of the entire tunica.
The greater gains in relation to the navel will come from upper angle hanging, stressing the entire tunica.
>You will only notice gains from lig stretching when you are measuring straight out or below?<
In relation to the navel? Yes, except for the amount of tunica gain you might have. If you mean just ordinary gains, you should see them at any angle, as long as you place the butt of the ruler into the ligs. The ligs will be longer, allowing you to place the ruler further down.
>If this is the case, why are people reporting that they actually gained shaft lenght from downward hanging?<
Because they are exposing more of the inner shaft as outer shaft, pulling the shaft out and down.
>I do not understand how your penis will be longer after lig work.<
The outer tunica will stretch and grow from downward angle hanging. But the greatest gain will come from expressing inner shaft as outer shaft, as the shaft is pulled down and out.
bdjohnson,
>How long do you think it took you to gain those first two inches?<
I believe about eight months.
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Bib said:
I have always problems to imagine what guys really mean when they are talking about the angle of their flaccid hung.
For example i do not know if they report their angle of their flaccid glans or the angle of the first cm of the shaft which comes direct out of the skin.
Obviously the angle of the first cm of the shaft is smaller than the angle of the glans, because the glans hangs down in almost every case, its because of gravity.
So what do you mean when you are saying your flaccid hang was between 10-12? Do you mean that your glans hanged almost to ceiling when erect?
Now i will combine a high flaccid hang (clock measurement) with an high exit point. I hope there is a correlation. If there is no one, please correct me.
I always thought that a high exit point (im talking about your third test "full nudity or exit point" test, not the manuell palpation test!) means that may be the first cm of your outside penis extends paralell to the floor (when the individuall is standing and you are looking at the penis from the side) and then the rest drops down. How much it drops down is dependent on the flaccid lenght and girth, because if you are longer and more girthier you are heavier and the penis hangs more down compared to another individual with the same high exit point but with less length and girth.
So the result is: Do not measure the flaccid and exit point angle from the tip of the glans because it gives you a wrong number especially when you are comparing flaccid penises. The guys with bigger flaccid get lower measurements, because of their more mass the flaccid penis is more hung.
Hope you got me.
@bib,
can you please describe what the points with the different colours(red,blue,green) mean? Are they symbolizing the different stages of exit points when doing lig work?
Where is the end of the pubica bone in this graphic? Is it the semicircle above the red point?
can you please describe what the points with the different colours(red,blue,green) mean? Are they symbolizing the different stages of exit points when doing lig work?
Where is the end of the pubica bone in this graphic? Is it the semicircle above the red point?
dex,
>I have always problems to imagine what guys really mean when they are talking about the angle of their flaccid hung.
For example i do not know if they report their angle of their flaccid glans or the angle of the first cm of the shaft which comes direct out of the skin.<
I am not sure what most guys mean.
>Obviously the angle of the first cm of the shaft is smaller than the angle of the glans, because the glans hangs down in almost every case, its because of gravity.
So what do you mean when you are saying your flaccid hang was between 10-12? Do you mean that your glans hanged almost to ceiling when erect?<
Before Penis Enlargement and hanging, I had NO flaccid hang. Essentially, just my head was exiting the skin, at the very top of the pubic bone. When I became erect, the erection grew out of a straight up flaccid, and the erection was also straight up. Damn strange looking back on it.
Further, the amount of flaccid hang is greatly dependent on the amount of elastin fibers within the shaft. I had, and still have, a great deal of elastin. Before Penis Enlargement, I could greatly stretch out my small flaccid, from a nub, to almost six inches. Now, I have about 5-7 inches of flaccid hang, but can stretch out to 11 plus inches.
>Now i will combine a high flaccid hang (clock measurement) with an high exit point. I hope there is a correlation. If there is no one, please correct me.<
I assume in most cases, a high flaccid hang would correlate to a high exit point.
>I always thought that a high exit point (im talking about your third test "full nudity or exit point" test, not the manuell palpation test!) means that may be the first cm of your outside penis extends paralell to the floor (when the individuall is standing and you are looking at the penis from the side) and then the rest drops down. How much it drops down is dependent on the flaccid lenght and girth, because if you are longer and more girthier you are heavier and the penis hangs more down compared to another individual with the same high exit point but with less length and girth.
So the result is: Do not measure the flaccid and exit point angle from the tip of the glans because it gives you a wrong number especially when you are comparing flaccid penises. The guys with bigger flaccid get lower measurements, because of their more mass the flaccid penis is more hung.<
Yes. When looking at exit points, you look only where the shaft comes out of the skin. The head has nothing to do with it.
>can you please describe what the points with the different colours(red,blue,green) mean?<
Those are arbitrary, possible exit points given as examples.
>Are they symbolizing the different stages of exit points when doing lig work?<
They could be. But I do not believe that is why I made the drawing.
>Where is the end of the pubica bone in this graphic? Is it the semicircle above the red point?<
That line is the bottom of the pubic bone.
Bigger
>I have always problems to imagine what guys really mean when they are talking about the angle of their flaccid hung.
For example i do not know if they report their angle of their flaccid glans or the angle of the first cm of the shaft which comes direct out of the skin.<
I am not sure what most guys mean.
>Obviously the angle of the first cm of the shaft is smaller than the angle of the glans, because the glans hangs down in almost every case, its because of gravity.
So what do you mean when you are saying your flaccid hang was between 10-12? Do you mean that your glans hanged almost to ceiling when erect?<
Before Penis Enlargement and hanging, I had NO flaccid hang. Essentially, just my head was exiting the skin, at the very top of the pubic bone. When I became erect, the erection grew out of a straight up flaccid, and the erection was also straight up. Damn strange looking back on it.
Further, the amount of flaccid hang is greatly dependent on the amount of elastin fibers within the shaft. I had, and still have, a great deal of elastin. Before Penis Enlargement, I could greatly stretch out my small flaccid, from a nub, to almost six inches. Now, I have about 5-7 inches of flaccid hang, but can stretch out to 11 plus inches.
>Now i will combine a high flaccid hang (clock measurement) with an high exit point. I hope there is a correlation. If there is no one, please correct me.<
I assume in most cases, a high flaccid hang would correlate to a high exit point.
>I always thought that a high exit point (im talking about your third test "full nudity or exit point" test, not the manuell palpation test!) means that may be the first cm of your outside penis extends paralell to the floor (when the individuall is standing and you are looking at the penis from the side) and then the rest drops down. How much it drops down is dependent on the flaccid lenght and girth, because if you are longer and more girthier you are heavier and the penis hangs more down compared to another individual with the same high exit point but with less length and girth.
So the result is: Do not measure the flaccid and exit point angle from the tip of the glans because it gives you a wrong number especially when you are comparing flaccid penises. The guys with bigger flaccid get lower measurements, because of their more mass the flaccid penis is more hung.<
Yes. When looking at exit points, you look only where the shaft comes out of the skin. The head has nothing to do with it.
>can you please describe what the points with the different colours(red,blue,green) mean?<
Those are arbitrary, possible exit points given as examples.
>Are they symbolizing the different stages of exit points when doing lig work?<
They could be. But I do not believe that is why I made the drawing.
>Where is the end of the pubica bone in this graphic? Is it the semicircle above the red point?<
That line is the bottom of the pubic bone.
Bigger
Bib said:
Actually im measuring my unit in a sitting position. I do this beacause i can measure more exactly this way, because i can remain my full erection in this position better. When im measuring my unit when im standing and i put my ruler on top, im 0,2 inches shorter. I think this is because of the fat pad.
Do you have an idea, why the standing position measurement is shorter?
So when im starting to hit the ligs, do i have to change my measurement method? Im asking, because when i gain by lig stretching my exit point will only lower. When i put my ruler on my unit while sitting, the ruler will not show my gains because the tip of my glans is not closer to my navel.
Can you tell me why some people are considering only tunica gains as real gains?
Im asking you this, because im a little bit confused about lig gains, i have a hard time to imagine how my unit gets longer by lig gains. I only had tunica gains and i could see them on the ruler. I could measure my unit in every position, and every postion i measured, tells me the same amount of gain.
I think with lig gains, it is not the same, it depends on how you are measuring.
Bib said:
We both forgot to define what a high flaccid hang is.
I guess your flaccid hang prior your hanging career is not so common.
When talking about flaccid hang, you have to keep in mind, that this hang will not be higher than 9 o clock (clock measurement) in most cases.
Is flaccid hang the same like exit point, so that you are only measureing the first cm of the shaft?
dex,
>Actually im measuring my unit in a sitting position. I do this beacause i can measure more exactly this way, because i can remain my full erection in this position better. When im measuring my unit when im standing and i put my ruler on top, im 0,2 inches shorter. I think this is because of the fat pad.
Do you have an idea, why the standing position measurement is shorter?<
I think it is different for different guys, depending on several factors.
>So when im starting to hit the ligs, do i have to change my measurement method? Im asking, because when i gain by lig stretching my exit point will only lower. When i put my ruler on my unit while sitting, the ruler will not show my gains because the tip of my glans is not closer to my navel.<
No, always measure consistantly.
>Can you tell me why some people are considering only tunica gains as real gains?<
I have no idea. Any amount of "new" usable shaft is a gain in my book.
>Im asking you this, because im a little bit confused about lig gains, i have a hard time to imagine how my unit gets longer by lig gains.<
More shaft is exposed, and able to be used.
>I only had tunica gains and i could see them on the ruler. I could measure my unit in every position, and every postion i measured, tells me the same amount of gain.
I think with lig gains, it is not the same, it depends on how you are measuring.<
With lig gains, you should be able to place the butt of the ruler futher down, and measure the increase in exposed shaft.
>Is flaccid hang the same like exit point, so that you are only measureing the first cm of the shaft?<
I am not sure what you are asking. The "first cm" after the exit point, simply shows the exit point. With high, tight ligs, there will be less flaccid hang, less shaft outside of the body. The longer the ligs, the more they are stretched, the more shaft which will be outside the body, and the longer flaccid hang. Also, the exit point will be lower, as the ligs are stretched.
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>Actually im measuring my unit in a sitting position. I do this beacause i can measure more exactly this way, because i can remain my full erection in this position better. When im measuring my unit when im standing and i put my ruler on top, im 0,2 inches shorter. I think this is because of the fat pad.
Do you have an idea, why the standing position measurement is shorter?<
I think it is different for different guys, depending on several factors.
>So when im starting to hit the ligs, do i have to change my measurement method? Im asking, because when i gain by lig stretching my exit point will only lower. When i put my ruler on my unit while sitting, the ruler will not show my gains because the tip of my glans is not closer to my navel.<
No, always measure consistantly.
>Can you tell me why some people are considering only tunica gains as real gains?<
I have no idea. Any amount of "new" usable shaft is a gain in my book.
>Im asking you this, because im a little bit confused about lig gains, i have a hard time to imagine how my unit gets longer by lig gains.<
More shaft is exposed, and able to be used.
>I only had tunica gains and i could see them on the ruler. I could measure my unit in every position, and every postion i measured, tells me the same amount of gain.
I think with lig gains, it is not the same, it depends on how you are measuring.<
With lig gains, you should be able to place the butt of the ruler futher down, and measure the increase in exposed shaft.
>Is flaccid hang the same like exit point, so that you are only measureing the first cm of the shaft?<
I am not sure what you are asking. The "first cm" after the exit point, simply shows the exit point. With high, tight ligs, there will be less flaccid hang, less shaft outside of the body. The longer the ligs, the more they are stretched, the more shaft which will be outside the body, and the longer flaccid hang. Also, the exit point will be lower, as the ligs are stretched.
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