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LIGHTNING;619521 said:
i'm not against anyone being vegan no matter what there reasoning. whether it's based around personal morals or they just don't like meat... it's all good.
the animals you are talking about though are just as much of, if not more so then humans, non factors on this planet. most animals on this planet would eat us as well if we died in front of them. some would even eat us alive. nice of us not to do that to animals. also if that drunk person you mention happened to pass out in a pig pen they better hope they wake up when the pigs start biting them because they will eat a human in a second. humans got to where we are for a reason. there is a reason that when a human doesn't eat animal meat they are missing key nutrients. same thing when a human doesn't eat plants. we need balance.
LIGHTNING;619521 said:
i agree that factory farming is disgusting in every way shape and form. that type of treatment of animals is disgusting and the poison they feed them that is then fed to us is no bueno. in the end i only care how it effects humans. now your imagine someones takes away your baby and someone eats it at a drive thru sentence is a poor example... it's judgmental b/c now anyone who eats meat who reads that... all you are saying to them is they are a disgusting human being b/c that is what they are doing. going to a drive thru and eating a whooper is nothing like stealing your neighbors child and feeding that baby to another human. humans get sick when they eat humans. cows get sick when they eat cows. humans get stronger when they eat meat. that is one of the reason we are where we are today evolutionary wise. now the factory farming meat is making millions unhealthy unfortunately. your example also shows how vegans are NOT against preaching about trying to make someone change. your example is telling someone to change b/c they are disgusting if they don't. you just left out those words. but to use such an example is exactly that. imagine saying that to someones face as they are eating a big mac. and lets pretend it is being said to someone who grew up in a low socioeconomic situation where the only education they had about nutrition was mcdonalds commercials. so they perceive that meal as very healthy and protein packed. you say to their face that sentence about taking a newborn baby and so on. as far as they see it and anyone else who is eating there you are saying that they are pretty much a kidnapping psychotic cannibal. when a vegan wants to use an example like you did, their "beef" should be with the government that allows animals to be treated so poorly which reduces the great health benefits that can come with a properly raised animal meat. also with the fact that many peoples only education in nutrition is through fast food commercials.
if you want to talk bees you need to bring up the pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides being used. although bees are usually brought in to pollinate before those plants get covered in those chemicals. everyone is ruining plant life on this planet unless you only eat out of a garden in your backyard. the wifi and various other radio signals and such that we are all using is hurting bees greatly. imagine just always hear a loud humming/buzzing/vibrating sound. that is interfering with bees natural gps. it's a huge topic. a very interesting topic. ants. ants are doing very well for now in comparison to many other things on this planet.
this planet is going to crumble with us here or not. with animals here or not.
plants are living things as well. smarter then many animals in certain ways. they adapt and change to survive in their environment as their environment changes. plants develop protective mechanisms to prevent animals, humans, and bugs from eating them. plants have wars with each other and try to push other plants out of areas. we are ruining the plant life of this planet just as much as our own lives by using computers as much as we do and having MILLIONS of cars on the road all over the planet.
check out the article below. the only true karma free vegan is someone who continually eats their own shit. that way they dont use resources from the planet and dont add to its waste. dont drive cars or use computers either otherwise anyone who is ruining this planet. those are cold hard facts as well. everything on this planet wants to dominate and take over the world. as it should. we are only here for a blip in time. we just need to make it quality balanced time
The dignity of plants
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LIGHTNING;619524 said:
did you just read the china study or something? your referencing mcdonalds and the drive thru. thats another topic completely separate from veganism and eating meat. they can be linked into the same conversation but lets not talk about fast foods role in this. it's a different subject. and b/c of your lol after asking about quality meat or marketing the last time i had 5 guys was about 5 months ago. i have a fridge full of venison i dont eat fast food meat often.
and to consume dairy goes fully against the belief you established with your mcdonalds drive thru example. and to consume it for your own health benefit when your statements strongly lean towards preserving this planet that we are so voluntarily and knowingly destroying is very selfish. a vegan who has any voiced opinions on how bad it is to eat meat or hurt bees should be willing to sacrifice their health for the well being of the planet. now if that vegan doesn't voice those beliefs they can be selfish without me wondering why they make such strong statements in one direction but then choose the selfish path down the other direction. mild production is just as bad as all of mcdonalds "food" productions. i say food b/c mcdonalds actually just serves edible like products.
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