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Ok , here is the story , and then if I could get some opinions of ya all I would appreciate it.
Say ... Hydromaxmm you are getting married in 2 weeks to a woman with 2 kids who you love as your own. life is good. you got a good job , good home , good friends , and then you get served with a lawsuit from the state you live in for a 15 year old son that you have never been able to see ( moms a really "mean" person ) and the paperwork wants 1/2 of your monthly income to pay for his welfare papyments becuse your estranged 15 year old son has quit school moved from home and is going to be a daddy now too. In the state you live in there is a little not-so-neat law that says you are responsible for your kids until they are 18 INCLUDING the kids they have , so now you get two pay 2 support payments. you just spent 15 years paying faithfully on a kid you didnt even know if still lived in the state and now you get this on your lap. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ??????????

( PS Lawyers say that the state is the state and this is the law , only thing you can fight on is the AMOUNT you pay. Morals and logic are lost on lawmakers )
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duanesbabygirll said:
Ok , here is the story , and then if I could get some opinions of ya all I would appreciate it.
Say ... Hydromaxmm you are getting married in 2 weeks to a woman with 2 kids who you love as your own. life is good. you got a good job , good home , good friends , and then you get served with a lawsuit from the state you live in for a 15 year old son that you have never been able to see ( moms a really "mean" person ) and the paperwork wants 1/2 of your monthly income to pay for his welfare papyments becuse your estranged 15 year old son has quit school moved from home and is going to be a daddy now too. In the state you live in there is a little not-so-neat law that says you are responsible for your kids until they are 18 INCLUDING the kids they have , so now you get two pay 2 support payments. you just spent 15 years paying faithfully on a kid you didnt even know if still lived in the state and now you get this on your lap. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ??????????

( PS Lawyers say that the state is the state and this is the law , only thing you can fight on is the AMOUNT you pay. Morals and logic are lost on lawmakers )
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I'd resort to sellin drugs!!!!

Naw I'd be pissed off. What can you do??? Change jobs every 2 months, file a chapter7??? Go get a gun and shoot the kids and the mother! Get a job that is paid in cash, and say your jobless! And get drunk everynight thinking about how stupid I was for sticking my dick in that woman. Then probabaly call of my engangement, and Penis Enlargement hardcore for like 3 years. Then when its all over I'd have a 13 inch pecker, and a new life!
 
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make him move in with you - that could be a possiblity too till hes 18
 
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I would say that is a f**ked law!!!What are they playing at?? Paying for the 15 year old is fair enough! But once he reaches 18, he is considered an adult, and can fend for himself, so his payments should stop their! I also think that once he reaches 18, I think that he will be forced to take monetary responsibility for the wild oat that he has sown!Also the fact that he has voluntarly left school on his own accord, means that he wants to be an adult! He should get his GED, get a skill, and take responsibility for his child. I feel that the law is in reguards to young people(13-17 yrs old that are still in school or without a job.)In that case they would expect the childs parents to foot the bill! However since he has dropped out, he can either go back to school or join the workforce! I really don't think your guy will have to pay for his sons child, and if he did, it will only be for 2+ years until his son is 18! It's not down to your fellow, I say fight it, and make the young lad see that he has a responsibility!
 
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Well Some of the respones were great and helpful , and some just made us laugh. But to awnser a few , 1) the son does not know the father , the mother has never let him know who his father is. 2) We thought of having him move in , but a teenage drop out expecting a child that has a juvinille record for stealing and drugs is not the influnce we want to put in our home with our 10 & 11 year old boys , with the factor that he dont even know us or this city. 3) upon consultation of 3 lawyers they all say the same thing. Pay and accept it OR fight for the amount of money we have to pay. Apperantly there is no way around the law on this one.
 
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I agree your fucked! I know how you feel BELIEVE ME!!!
 

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The position I would take: If the child has moved from home and quit school then the ex no longer has a child and therefore she no longer needs support. The intent of child support is to raise children to majority. It is true that responsibility remains there, however, the key here is the fact that this child has left home and quit school. Given that fact, your second position is that the mother will also be required to provide a prorated support to the child that is not living in her home as well as the grandchild. The first step is to contest primary custody because the ex is no longer in custody when the child is no longer in her home. You need to keep looking for another attorney and I would suggest you find one in the state where the ex lives and get the most forked tongue ruthless bastard you can find. Don't take this crap sitting down because you have ignorant attorneys that have given you bad advice just because they don't know better.
 
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fight it babe. if you truly have to pay, dont lie down and be a victim, fight the amount all the way!
 

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BeBobBox said:
make him move in with you - that could be a possiblity too till hes 18
Thats the jump off right there, that would seriously fuck with her program. Plant drugs on the ex and anonymously report her then tell the court that she is a crackhead:D JK
 
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Dashdeming nailed it in my opinion. I'd try to fool with that and see what happens. I don't think she has custody if he doesnt live with her.
 
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Thats the jump off right there, that would seriously fuck with her program. Plant drugs on the ex and anonymously report her then tell the court that she is a crackhead:D JK
lol lol lol ... DLD your too funny ( Hydromaxm thoughts like this have been mulled over , but i am just not that kinda person to go and do it. )
 
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The position I would take: If the child has moved from home and quit school then the ex no longer has a child and therefore she no longer needs support. The intent of child support is to raise children to majority. It is true that responsibility remains there, however, the key here is the fact that this child has left home and quit school. Given that fact, your second position is that the mother will also be required to provide a prorated support to the child that is not living in her home as well as the grandchild. The first step is to contest primary custody because the ex is no longer in custody when the child is no longer in her home. You need to keep looking for another attorney and I would suggest you find one in the state where the ex lives and get the most forked tongue ruthless bastard you can find. Don't take this crap sitting down because you have ignorant attorneys that have given you bad advice just because they don't know better.
Well sugar , as soon as i read this i picked up the phone called support , and guess what ?? she is still getting the support , and it is fraud , so the case worker stopped payment asap !!! a full investigation on the support side is now started. Aslo i asked around and found out the son of a very notorious lawyer is still in practice here. very black hearted for the person that can pay him , now i just need the $800 a HOUR to do that ... * sigh * I wonder which corner i can stand on to make the most money ????? lol

Thanks sugar for helping ! ((( HUGS ))))
 
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Can I get a hug too cuz I agreed with him? Hehe
 
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Can I get a hug too cuz I agreed with him? Hehe

(( HUGS ))

and for every one else that helped too.....

(( HUGS ))

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:) hows that ?? :)
 
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Ah I feel much better. I'm glad somethin worked out for ya.
 
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Hmm,
Support laws do vary from state to state and I am not a lawyer but the custody thing is a big issue and since your ex "raised" the boy then you can also go after her for culpability in this. If you are in a state where the parents are responsible then you can surely prove that this is her doing since she kept him from your influence. The Judge in the case hase to rule for you and make th ex pay for the boys child but can force you to pay the child support directly to the boy. And since you were told that you would have to pay 50% of your pay, the FEDERAL guidline is for 17% for the first child, 8% for the second for a MAX of 25%. Since you are not behind they cannot take 50% of your pay, there is a max the law allows even within bill collections and I do believe it's 35% after SS payments. Look at the federal guides, they will also point out that the maximun payments are for BOTH parents up to the first 85k and then you pay your portion of that. Ex: you make 50k your ex makes 40k the 5k comes off in the form of percentages (Your "share" is 55% while hers is 45% rounded). So if the court awards ANY moneys at all you will only pay 55% of the award up to 25% of your pay. The boys mother pays 45% up to 25% of her earnings. Complicated but the danger is if you make 75K and she makes 5K you can pay 25% of 80K as support.
The laws are geared towards putting money in the state coffers and not into the childs. They are constantly 2-3 months behind in payments so they can take the interest on your money and take you to court when they find out you get a raise. Try to get a reduction and you need to sue the state as well as the parties involved. Tell a lwayer that you want to sue the mother and child naming the state as a co-defendant and see what happens....
I won in NY against the state when they tried to raise my support out of the clear blue just because they wanted to. I proved that the agreement was a court order and since the ex had not taken me to court for an amendment the state could not act as her lawyer to change it. You do have rights and you should ask for hearing after hearing until a judge hears you and looks at the case.
 
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