Years of Hanging and loss of Erection Angle.

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Greetings fellow PE'rs. I have been doing PE for decades, and have done a lot of hanging. I am certain that straight down and Between the Cheeks hanging has left me where I am today: A major loss of erection angle. I have gone from the 3 o'clock position (straight out) to the 5 o'clock. This is regardless of EQ. I've even done viagra to get max eq just to see if the angle would change, but it stays at 5. It's almost like the ligs have been stretched or torn to the point where there is no support or strength left. Has anyone encountered this and is there a solution? I'm about to purchase a silistretcher for hanging and stretching (get back in the game), but am really wary of doing any downward hanging or stretching. Obviously, hanging straight down is easiest and most convenient, but I've got to figure out a way to hang upwards or to the sides, probably using an attachment and pulley to my desk in order to stretch sideways or straight out. But that is complicated because anytime you have to get up to do something, you have to disconnect. So, I guess bottom line is, how do you get a good hanging routine going while avoiding straight down or BTC hanging? And, is there a way to reverse the loss of erection angle? Maybe DLD can chime in on this.

Fillerup
 
Hi Still. I remember you well, as I've been a member of MOS since 2003 Bought a hanger from you a few years back. Well, what can I say? My erection angle has dropped dramatically, as though the "anchor" has been broken or torn in some way. Bummer!
 
Fillerup said:
Hi Still. I remember you well, as I've been a member of MOS since 2003 Bought a hanger from you a few years back. Well, what can I say? My erection angle has dropped dramatically, as though the "anchor" has been broken or torn in some way. Bummer!
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Have you been practicing Kegels during this period?
 
stillwantmore said:
Hmm. Consulted a urologist?
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No. He would probably just say "what do you expect?" You're 63 years old! Plus, how would I discuss this with him without telling him I've been hanging heavy weights from my dick off and on for 20 years LOL! Additionally, my research indicates that 60% of men in their 60's have mild to moderate ED. Maybe I'm just one of them.
 
I used to do kegels, but haven't done so for a while. I was pretty consistent for a couple of months but maybe should have persevered. Still, if i get an erection and do a kegel, my penis doesn't bounce upwards at all. Again, it's like the ligament was torn at the top portion, resulting in the downward direction. There are other factors too. 5 months ago I began Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I had a lot of symptoms ie low libido, difficult in getting or maintaining an erection, low mood, lack of energy and worst of all, gynomastia. These are all indications of low testosterone. I went to get tested and found that my test levels were in the normal range. BUT, the test generally given is overall testosterone in one's bloodstream. IT DOES NOT, however, measure the amount of free, or unbound testosterone, as opposed to bound testosterone, which is not used by the body. One can have normal overall levels of Test, but have very low levels of free, or bio-available testosterone. The reverse is also true. I pointed this out to my doctor and he agreed. Another thing I pointed out to him was the lower levels of Test I had each time I was tested. Now, men, in general and after the age of 30-40, have a reduction in overall testosterone of about 1% per year. I had my testosterone level tested in Feb of this year and it read 14, which is in the normal range but on the lower side. 9 months prior, I had it tested and it measured 16.7. At first glance, that's only a drop of 2.7 points. BUT, what is it in terms of percentage? Well, it's not 1 percent, and it's not 2 percent, and it's not 4, or 8, but 16% reduction. That is, 16 times normal. He immediately started me on TRT. I do 1 injection per week, at a fairly low dosage. Bit of a pain in the ass (quite literally, as they are gluteal injections), but I was hoping this was the problem and the solution. However, after 5 months of TRT, my EQ is still in the toilet. My mood is better and I seem to have more energy, but that 5 o'clock semi-hard erection is a bummer. Going to see the doc next week to have a blood panel done and see where my test levels are at, as well as estrogen levels, which could also be the culprit. Many men are prone to the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen, before and especially during TRT. Having said all the above, I still think there is something mechanically wrong with the internals of my penis. Almost like a dislocation or tearing of the ligament that won't, or can't heal.

Another factor is that I've been a very heavy drinker for many years, and this can often lead to erectile dysfunction. In fact, it's the leading cause of ED. Fortunately, studies have shown it to be reversible with abstinence. Well, I put down the bottle 1 week ago today. It is my intention to remain abstinent until at least the 27th of September when I leave on a European vacation for 25 days. Then all bets are off, especially when landing in Munich smack dab in the middle of Octoberfest LOL. But I'm hoping that 6 weeks of total sobriety may result in some positive changes.

we shall see...

fillerup
 
I do not know much on the testosterone level but I can advise on the Kegels. That bounce is a sign that your penis ligament is attached to the pubic bone. If it not bouncing you have either stretched your ligament way past the point of tug back or the ligament is torn from the pubic bone. That latter would be excessively painful and would know it. If the penis has been stretched beyond tugback the only way to change is gain enough Tunica length with any ligament gain, All heavy upward stretches in the Lengthmaster, the heavier the stretch the better, the Tunica is stubborn.

And during this whole process (?starting today) do Kegels at every opportunity you have. All day everyday is ? a-ok...You will only be strengthen the Pelvic floor muscles more and more and adding to their endurance. When strong pelvic floor muscles meet your longer penis via Tunica gains you’ll see a strong, bouncing penis quickly. Also keep in mind Kegels can be done weighted, this greatly builds that set if muscles.
 
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I do not know much on the testosterone level but I can advise on the Kegels. That bounce is a sign that your penis ligament is attached to the pubic bone. If it not bouncing you have either stretched your ligament way past the point of tug back or the ligament is torn from the pubic bone. That latter would be excessively painful and would know it. If the penis has been stretched beyond tugback the only way to change is gain enough Tunica length with any ligament gain, All heavy upward stretches in the Lengthmaster, the heavier the stretch the better, the Tunica is stubborn.

And during this whole process (?starting today) do Kegels at every opportunity you have. All day everyday is ? a-ok...You will only be strengthen the Pelvic floor muscles more and more and adding to their endurance. When strong pelvic floor muscles meet your longer penis via Tunica gains you’ll see a strong, bouncing penis quickly. Also keep in mind Kegels can be done weighted, this greatly builds that set if muscles.
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@ DLD Ok, if I read you right, I've probably stretched my penis ligament beyond tugback. Not likely torn it from the bone as I'm not in any pain. That being the case, I have several questions:

1)If I do lots of kegels, I will build the pelvic floor muscles, but this will not solve the problem of the over stretched ligament. As you implied, further gains from ligament stretching are unlikely, thus ruling out the effectiveness of expressive stretching, hanging straight down etc. Is this correct?

2) Is the PF or silistretcher going to be of any value? Hanging with the silistretcher seems pointless, unless I can rig up a way to hang upwards, or at least sideways. If I do heavy upwards stretching ie with the LM, is the use of the PF or Silistretcher as an ADS of any value, including wearing while sleeping? I would say the answer is yes, because as an ADS, it will keep the stretched tunica healing in an elongated state.

3) I have a LM, but it's been in the closet since a week after I bought it. Any and all attempts to attach it resulted in pinched skin that was very painful. I tried every wrap I could think of but the result was the same. Either that or it would slip forward and put tremendous pressure on my glans. I tightened the wing nuts as much as I could stand, given the pain from pinching. This is probably due to being uncut and having all that extra skin getting in the way. And I tried every combination of wrapping, tying the foreskin back with tape etc. Nothing worked.

4) I've been reading in the forums that a new version of the LM is now available where 4 bolts are used instead of two, that may help with the pinching, equalizing the grip on both sides. Is this upgrade available without having to purchase a whole new LM?

5) I was really looking forward to getting the silistretcher and doing pyramid or reverse hanging sets, but this now seems pointless, as hanging primarily targets the ligament which, again, I've evidently stretched beyond tugback.

Unless I can find a way to stretch heavy upwards, I may be out of the game as far as length gains go. besides, tunica gains are very difficult to achieve. Oh well, there's always girth, right?
 
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...well this one falls into the 'one man's ____ is another man's_____' category...I've been doing all my stretches and most of my pumping in the downward position to get my 3 o'clock down to 5 o'clock (or maybe even 6), so (and I'm not trying to sound conciliatory or even condescending, but perhaps you can see this as a positive. Just think about walking-around with a huge semi pointing at the ground...one word: menacing!!
 
Big Schwanz Acht said:
...well this one falls into the 'one man's ____ is another man's_____' category...I've been doing all my stretches and most of my pumping in the downward position to get my 3 o'clock down to 5 o'clock (or maybe even 6), so (and I'm not trying to sound conciliatory or even condescending, but perhaps you can see this as a positive. Just think about walking-around with a huge semi pointing at the ground...one word: menacing!!
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Funny guy! When you say you wanted to go from the 3 o'clock to the 5 or 6, do you mean flaccid or erect? If erect, why would anyone want their erection to point straight down? In my case, a "semi" pointing straight down doesn't look menacing. It looks "potentially" menacing. It's the "potentially" that I'm having serious problems with, and is not so comical.
 
Fillerup said:
@ DLD Ok, if I read you right, I've probably stretched my penis ligament beyond tugback. Not likely torn it from the bone as I'm not in any pain. That being the case, I have several questions:

1)If I do lots of kegels, I will build the pelvic floor muscles, but this will not solve the problem of the over stretched ligament. As you implied, further gains from ligament stretching are unlikely, thus ruling out the effectiveness of expressive stretching, hanging straight down etc. Is this correct?

2) Is the PF or silistretcher going to be of any value? Hanging with the silistretcher seems pointless, unless I can rig up a way to hang upwards, or at least sideways. If I do heavy upwards stretching ie with the LM, is the use of the PF or Silistretcher as an ADS of any value, including wearing while sleeping? I would say the answer is yes, because as an ADS, it will keep the stretched tunica healing in an elongated state.

3) I have a LM, but it's been in the closet since a week after I bought it. Any and all attempts to attach it resulted in pinched skin that was very painful. I tried every wrap I could think of but the result was the same. Either that or it would slip forward and put tremendous pressure on my glans. I tightened the wing nuts as much as I could stand, given the pain from pinching. This is probably due to being uncut and having all that extra skin getting in the way. And I tried every combination of wrapping, tying the foreskin back with tape etc. Nothing worked.

4) I've been reading in the forums that a new version of the LM is now available where 4 bolts are used instead of two, that may help with the pinching, equalizing the grip on both sides. Is this upgrade available without having to purchase a whole new LM?

5) I was really looking forward to getting the silistretcher and doing pyramid or reverse hanging sets, but this now seems pointless, as hanging primarily targets the ligament which, again, I've evidently stretched beyond tugback.

Unless I can find a way to stretch heavy upwards, I may be out of the game as far as length gains go. besides, tunica gains are very difficult to achieve. Oh well, there's always girth, right?
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You will never run out of ligament gains because we can do Behind the Cheeks stretching which will continue to stretch the ligament. In your case you could continue to gain ligament length while at the same time concentrating on upward stretching. Behind the Cheeks there is no limit t length gains but time. There are plenty of ways to use the sili stressor in an upward position especially with the new belt we have just released that allows you to stretch from many different points. As far as LengthMaster goes when the new chambers are ready anyone who has an existing LengthMaster can get the new chamber at a discount. This should solve your linked master comfort issues. You can also do Reverse pyramid stretching in a upward way by setting your rig up to stretch upward. Look at @TuffDong set up for inspiration! What he has created is amazing.
 
@ DLD I'm not sure what "behind" the cheeks is referring to. Do you mean between the cheeks, where instead of straight down, the pelvis is pushed up and the weight hangs at an angle much greater than straight down, kind of between your balls and to the back. As for using the silistretcher in an upward position, I don't think it can handle the kind of stretch you are implying by "the heavier the better." Not without risking blisters which, as I've noted, have occurred with several silistretcher users. It's just the nature of using vaccuum. I've had several of them over the years, and all of them can cause blisters if too much vaccuum/weight is used. I think I've seen TuffDong's setup, using pulleys and cables at different angles. I've done this as well over the years. May be a little difficult in my current apartment though. There's no where I can attach that would provide an upward angle except maybe anchoring under my computer desk and sitting on the floor:O Side to side is doable though. I think if anything, maybe the new chambers allowing heavy duty upward stretches might be the solution. I'll look forward to their availability. Do you have an approximate timeline for their release? Please clarify the behind the cheeks hanging.
 
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@ DLD I'm not sure what "behind" the cheeks is referring to. Do you mean between the cheeks, where instead of straight down, the pelvis is pushed up and the weight hangs at an angle much greater than straight down, kind of between your balls and to the back. As for using the silistretcher in an upward position, I don't think it can handle the kind of stretch you are implying by "the heavier the better." Not without risking blisters which, as I've noted, have occurred with several silistretcher users. It's just the nature of using vaccuum. I've had several of them over the years, and all of them can cause blisters if too much vaccuum/weight is used. I think I've seen TuffDong's setup, using pulleys and cables at different angles. I've done this as well over the years. May be a little difficult in my current apartment though. There's no where I can attach that would provide an upward angle except maybe anchoring under my computer desk and sitting on the floor:O Side to side is doable though. I think if anything, maybe the new chambers allowing heavy duty upward stretches might be the solution. I'll look forward to their availability. Do you have an approximate timeline for their release? Please clarify the behind the cheeks hanging.
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Yeah you need a bit of privacy to set up a room like that but maybe you can it’s just set up at upward point that you could use to stretch Tunica. And the new Duros allow you to hang much more weight so that should help with intensity.

BTC actually gives you great potential in shaft gains too but it is an awkward position. I will continue to do downward stretching with more intensity. And I would also add in his many intense upward stretches as possible. I’m hoping the new Duro sleeve allows you to use your LengthMaster, once you master wrapping and have the new chamber it will be a completely different animal.
 
What I would suggest is to rest from the stretching for now, and take up a dedicated kegel routine.

None of us, you and I included, cannot say this is due to the ligaments, it could be, but it may simply be because you need the pelvic muscles strengthened.

That in itself has a dramatic effect on the angle of erection, so don't place all your eggs on one basket, or be so sure what the problem is at this stage.
 
Fillerup said:
Greetings fellow PE'rs. I have been doing PE for decades, and have done a lot of hanging. I am certain that straight down and Between the Cheeks hanging has left me where I am today: A major loss of erection angle. I have gone from the 3 o'clock position (straight out) to the 5 o'clock. This is regardless of EQ. I've even done viagra to get max eq just to see if the angle would change, but it stays at 5. It's almost like the ligs have been stretched or torn to the point where there is no support or strength left. Has anyone encountered this and is there a solution? I'm about to purchase a silistretcher for hanging and stretching (get back in the game), but am really wary of doing any downward hanging or stretching. Obviously, hanging straight down is easiest and most convenient, but I've got to figure out a way to hang upwards or to the sides, probably using an attachment and pulley to my desk in order to stretch sideways or straight out. But that is complicated because anytime you have to get up to do something, you have to disconnect. So, I guess bottom line is, how do you get a good hanging routine going while avoiding straight down or BTC hanging? And, is there a way to reverse the loss of erection angle? Maybe DLD can chime in on this.

Fillerup
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The best way that I have found to hang upwards is to do it upside down with a pullup bar and teeter hang ups gravity boots or an inversion table.

The only downside is you will probably have to take frequent breaks until you get accustomed to being upside down for longer periods. But hey, it's good for your back, so... bonus!
 
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REDZULU2003 said:
What I would suggest is to rest from the stretching for now, and take up a dedicated kegel routine.

None of us, you and I included, cannot say this is due to the ligaments, it could be, but it may simply be because you need the pelvic muscles strengthened.

That in itself has a dramatic effect on the angle of erection, so don't place all your eggs on one basket, or be so sure what the problem is at this stage.
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Thanks for the advice, but I'm not currently doing any length work. I'm considering getting the silistretcher, but it will 2 or 3 weeks before it arrives and I'm off to Europe for a month shortly after that. All I'm doing right now is 10-15 minutes of jelq and compression squeezes, during which I'm constantly doing kegels to force more blood into the chambers. Also starting doing 100+ kegels per day, which I hope to gradually increase.
 
DLD said:
Yeah you need a bit of privacy to set up a room like that but maybe you can it’s just set up at upward point that you could use to stretch Tunica. And the new Duros allow you to hang much more weight so that should help with intensity.

BTC actually gives you great potential in shaft gains too but it is an awkward position. I will continue to do downward stretching with more intensity. And I would also add in his many intense upward stretches as possible. I’m hoping the new Duro sleeve allows you to use your LengthMaster, once you master wrapping and have the new chamber it will be a completely different animal.
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@ DLD

If I have stretched the ligament past the point of tugback, as you pointed out, doesn't this effectively nullify any further ligament gains from hanging straight down?
 
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Once you feel the pelvic muscles are stronger, maybe it's time to have a crack at hanging or stretching 12 o'clock.
 
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